Joe Cole - Signs for liverpool

StartingPrice · Jul 19, 2010

mattyspurs said:
Well I will come out and say that I'm gutted.

All of you guys who are made up with this, I hope that he doesn't bite us on the arse; a team who was on the decline has now become stronger

it may be for money, but it may not, yes Liverpool are in a bad position but it is a false position. Liverpool FC are still one of the 4 biggest clubs in the world, and are a huge draw.

Your workers taken you hostage again? Are you reading from a prepared statement

mg:

kernowspur said:
Didn't want him as we are well served in midfield. I would rather have Modric anyday.
Just shows that money and agents are all that matters in today's game.

The second part of your post contradicts the first. If money and agents were all that mattered then why did Luka sign a six year contract with us and say he thought he could fulfill his footballing ambitions with us. He knew, and said he knew, that 'other big clubs' (including, allegedly, United) were after him:shrug:

nailsy · Jul 19, 2010

This is a strange one. Cole leaves Chelsea to sign for Liverpool, who sell Benayoun to Chelsea to finance the signing.

StartingPrice · Jul 19, 2010

nailsy said:
This is a strange one. Cole leaves Chelsea to sign for Liverpool, who sell Benayoun to Chelsea to finance the signing.

Isn't it.
Basically, they have swapped players...with a bit of cash going Liverpool's way...maybe a sweetener for Gerrard:shrug:

mil1lion · Jul 19, 2010

mattyspurs said:
Well I will come out and say that I'm gutted.

All of you guys who are made up with this, I hope that he doesn't bite us on the arse; a team who was on the decline has now become stronger

it may be for money, but it may not, yes Liverpool are in a bad position but it is a false position. Liverpool FC are still one of the 4 biggest clubs in the world, and are a huge draw.

It was the biggest bargain of the window without a doubt. But it was always going to be difficult with our wage structure. We've just signed Modric on a new deal, and Cole has now joined Liverpool for higher wages than Modric. It's crazy to think a player like Cole, who while very good is not on Modric level, is going to earn a lot more money than him.

I would've loved him here no doubt, but not for any wage. Plus I see him as a player I wanted rather than a player needed. He'll be a good signing for Liverpool, but is he really an improvement on Benayoun? Maybe a slight one, but not a significant one. Although I do think Hodgson can get the best out of him like he did with the likes of Murphy and Duff.

Hopefully we respond soon to this as like you say, Liverpool are still a massive club. We can't allow them to strengthen more than us this summer. Although they're sure to lose 1 or 2 players for money.

mattdefoe · Jul 19, 2010

big signing for liverpool considering they have stuff all transfer funds! He could of become and undroppable for spurs and not for his performances.....

michaelden · Jul 19, 2010

this is Gerard's last chance at a big mioney move i think

Banny · Jul 19, 2010

Good for damian duff. I mean scott parker. I mean Joe Cole. I hope his money keeps him money at money.

kernowspur · Jul 19, 2010

StartingPrice said:
Your workers taken you hostage again? Are you reading from a prepared statementmg:

The second part of your post contradicts the first. If money and agents were all that mattered then why did Luka sign a six year contract with us and say he thought he could fulfill his footballing ambitions with us. He knew, and said he knew, that 'other big clubs' (including, allegedly, United) were after him:shrug:

Because Luka isn't a greedy sod like most of the overpaid English so called "stars".

Misfit · Jul 19, 2010

Chance of a Kewel Mk II. His injury concerns are nowhere near behind him yet. For the money he's on...

Would have been nice I guess but I never felt we were going to get him. Right now, I'm not sure we'll rue the outcome either.

Breezer · Jul 19, 2010

Ok my main concerns,

Daniel Levy should have broke the wage structure for this guy. Not because Joe Cole deserves mega money but Harry deserve to have atleast 1 or 2 players of his choice after helping us finish 4th.

Harry made it perfectly clear he wanted Joe Cole and his wish should have been granted by Levy considering he was on a free transfer.

Another thing which is slightly worrying, how do we expect to snap up players like Fabiano, Forlan, Suarez, Ozil etc etc if we can't break our wage structure. I'm not saying pay every player 100k+ but if Harry is talking about bringing in a SPECIAL player, he will want atleast the same as Joe Cole if not more!

So pushing out the boat for a couple players should be in our budget. Finishing 4th obviously helps us attract bigger names but if we don't pay the high wages to match our ambitions then we will remain a team who will always miss out on the best players.

Looks like Bellamy, C Cole, Parker, maybe Arda are all more realistic targets!?

StartingPrice · Jul 19, 2010

kernowspur said:
Because Luka isn't a greedy sod like most of the overpaid English so called "stars".

That is an explanation as to why half of your post contradicts the other half, not a refutation:wink:

dontcallme · Jul 19, 2010

Breezer said:
Ok my main concerns,

Daniel Levy should have broke the wage structure for this guy. Not because Joe Cole deserves mega money but Harry deserve to have atleast 1 or 2 players of his choice after helping us finish 4th.

Harry made it perfectly clear he wanted Joe Cole and his wish should have been granted by Levy considering he was on a free transfer.

Another thing which is slightly worrying, how do we expect to snap up players like Fabiano, Forlan, Suarez, Ozil etc etc if we can't break our wage structure. I'm not saying pay every player 100k+ but if Harry is talking about bringing in a SPECIAL player, he will want atleast the same as Joe Cole if not more!

So pushing out the boat for a couple players should be in our budget. Finishing 4th obviously helps us attract bigger names but if we don't pay the high wages to match our ambitions then we will remain a team who will always miss out on the best players.

Looks like Bellamy, C Cole, Parker, maybe Arda are all more realistic targets!?

Breaking our wage structure is good in theory but there are many cases of this happening and others in the sqad becoming unhappy.

Rob Green and Jo Hart both had this. They signed deals with their clubs and then they started paying new players huge money, many failed and sat on the bench earning the big bucks. The both came out publicly and stated they weren't happy. Why should Lennon, Modric and Gomes earn less than Joe Cole when playing in a Spurs shirt?

As far as I know our players on long contracts are on similar money to each other. We rarely read stories about turmoil within our club because of wage issues. As we continue to grow and improve we'll be able to make our pay scale higher but I see no need to break it at the moment.

SlickMongoose · Jul 19, 2010

Breezer said:
Ok my main concerns,

Daniel Levy should have broke the wage structure for this guy. Not because Joe Cole deserves mega money but Harry deserve to have atleast 1 or 2 players of his choice after helping us finish 4th.

Harry made it perfectly clear he wanted Joe Cole and his wish should have been granted by Levy considering he was on a free transfer.

Another thing which is slightly worrying, how do we expect to snap up players like Fabiano, Forlan, Suarez, Ozil etc etc if we can't break our wage structure. I'm not saying pay every player 100k+ but if Harry is talking about bringing in a SPECIAL player, he will want atleast the same as Joe Cole if not more!

So pushing out the boat for a couple players should be in our budget. Finishing 4th obviously helps us attract bigger names but if we don't pay the high wages to match our ambitions then we will remain a team who will always miss out on the best players.

Looks like Bellamy, C Cole, Parker, maybe Arda are all more realistic targets!?

If we break the wage structure for Cole then our other top players will want similar. No thanks.

Edit: What dontcallme said.

Breezer · Jul 19, 2010

dontcallme said:
Breaking our wage structure is good in theory but there are many cases of this happening and others in the sqad becoming unhappy.

Rob Green and Jo Hart both had this. They signed deals with their clubs and then they started paying new players huge money, many failed and sat on the bench earning the big bucks. The both came out publicly and stated they weren't happy. Why should Lennon, Modric and Gomes earn less than Joe Cole when playing in a Spurs shirt?

As far as I know our players on long contracts are on similar money to each other. We rarely read stories about turmoil within our club because of wage issues. As we continue to grow and improve we'll be able to make our pay scale higher but I see no need to break it at the moment.

Yeh fair points, and you're right it probably would cause unrest etc.

But if we don't break our structure after finishing in the top 4 then when will we break it?

Man City will sign the best, Liverpool who finish 6th and have 400 million debt still pay big wages.

SlickMongoose · Jul 19, 2010

Breezer said:
But if we don't break our structure after finishing in the top 4 then when will we break it?

When our turnover significantly improves.

dontcallme · Jul 19, 2010

Breezer said:
Yeh fair points, and you're right it probably would cause unrest etc.

But if we don't break our structure after finishing in the top 4 then when will we break it?

Man City will sign the best, Liverpool who finish 6th and have 400 million debt still pay big wages.

I think we need continued success before we can start paying high salaries.

We're all on a high after finishing fourth but we shouldn't get ahead of ourselves. We haven't become the elite overnight.

If Lennon, Huddlestone, Modric, Bale and Dawson can play to their potential from start to finish then as a team we can match the likes of Man City and Liverpool.

A team can improve by keeping the same players, you don't have to buy to improve.

michaelden · Jul 19, 2010

Breezer said:
Ok my main concerns,

Daniel Levy should have broke the wage structure for this guy. Not because Joe Cole deserves mega money but Harry deserve to have atleast 1 or 2 players of his choice after helping us finish 4th.

Harry made it perfectly clear he wanted Joe Cole and his wish should have been granted by Levy considering he was on a free transfer.

Another thing which is slightly worrying, how do we expect to snap up players like Fabiano, Forlan, Suarez, Ozil etc etc if we can't break our wage structure. I'm not saying pay every player 100k+ but if Harry is talking about bringing in a SPECIAL player, he will want atleast the same as Joe Cole if not more!

So pushing out the boat for a couple players should be in our budget. Finishing 4th obviously helps us attract bigger names but if we don't pay the high wages to match our ambitions then we will remain a team who will always miss out on the best players.

Looks like Bellamy, C Cole, Parker, maybe Arda are all more realistic targets!?

The money for Joe Cole went on 'Arry's new contract. It was, a 3 year deal w/o JC or a 1 year deal with JC ;-)

worcestersauce · Jul 19, 2010

To be fair whether he is getting lots of money or not it is still Liverpool that he is signing for not Newcastle and so the accusation isn't necessarily fair.
Seems amusing that they've just channelled the Benayoun money directly from Chelsea to Joe Cole so they are still paying his wages

I think they needed this deal more than us big time just to maintain some sort of profile for existing and possible new players.

Azrael · Jul 19, 2010

dontcallme said:
I think we need continued success before we can start paying high salaries.

We're all on a high after finishing fourth but we shouldn't get ahead of ourselves. We haven't become the elite overnight.

This is spot on. I made this point yesterday and its the reason that I don't think that Cole's decision is just about money. Fact is that Liverpool have a greater chance of getting back into the Top Four than we have of staying in it, at least at the moment, so its not cut and dried that Spurs are the better option in footballing terms.

As for the wage structure, my view is that the wage structure is a good thing because it prevents (most of the time) rash quite fit buys like those teams who go out and get themselves in debt by dumping a whole load of cash on a player who ultimately flops. That said, I think the wage cap should be reflective of one's league position at the end of a season and the more attractive we are as a potential club the more we should be willing to pay....as long as we don't pay silly money.

Flatters · Jul 19, 2010

Surely Joe Cole is much more likely to get games for Liverpool than he is us, so for that reason it could be a better move for Joe Cole, along with the extra money of course.

I personally think he's vastly overrated anyway, and that he'd be unlikely to fit well into our team.

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