Or the fans :wink:
Peter Crouch is.....
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Or the fans :wink:
What was that all about? I took it as a sarcastic chant to the fans!
Ok, my point of view on this.
Crouch is a good target man if you put the ball right on his head or chest, if he has to move for the ball he almost becomes useless. That said, when he pulls the ball down he does well with it usually, plays the simple balls, turns and heads for the box, perfect.
Now, for the bad points.
He has very little strength, he cannot hold off a defender to win balls. Look at Doyle at White Hart Lane, every ball hoofed up to him and he won it, he's a fair few inches shorter than Crouch too. Crouch needs to bulk up a little.
His heading of the ball needs working on. If he runs onto the ball he's ok, but from a standing position he doesn't seem to have the power behind him to trouble the keeper.
His shooting. I've never seen a striker who is so poor at shooting! He just doesn't seem to be able to shoot when the ball is on the floor! Put it on the volley and he's fine, tell him to run with the ball into space and shoot and he can't connect with the ball!
And finally, he doesn't fucking jump! Jump for the ball, yes you're tall but that doesn't mean you don't have to jump when it's over your head!
Crouch is a good target man if you put the ball right on his head or chest, if he has to move for the ball he almost becomes useless. That said, when he pulls the ball down he does well with it usually, plays the simple balls, turns and heads for the box, perfect.
Now, for the bad points.
He has very little strength, he cannot hold off a defender to win balls. Look at Doyle at White Hart Lane, every ball hoofed up to him and he won it, he's a fair few inches shorter than Crouch too. Crouch needs to bulk up a little.
His heading of the ball needs working on. If he runs onto the ball he's ok, but from a standing position he doesn't seem to have the power behind him to trouble the keeper.
His shooting. I've never seen a striker who is so poor at shooting! He just doesn't seem to be able to shoot when the ball is on the floor! Put it on the volley and he's fine, tell him to run with the ball into space and shoot and he can't connect with the ball!
And finally, he doesn't fucking jump! Jump for the ball, yes you're tall but that doesn't mean you don't have to jump when it's over your head!
Dr Know
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I think when he does jump he always seems to get a foul given against him
sloth
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You're right we don't always play long-balls. In the first half we mix it up, play loads of stuff on the ground, nice intricate moves, counter-attacking football or just pressure football. And we have Crouch there to keep the defence guessing, so that every now and again we do hit it long and he wins the knock-down and VdV or whoever scores. I'm pretty happy with playing Crouch for a half or even up to 50 mins against some teams.
I'm also aware that Pav can be fucking weak and often lazy.
However the last couple of games Pav's started or been subbed to play the lone man in he's been pretty good. And Crouch played 90 mins against Inter. And to be fair he's been shit this season at everything except the knock-downs (the exception proving the rule being the goal against YBs)
So that's the context, the problems start when Harry plays Crouch against inappropriate sides, or at inappropriate times and then, despite the obvious short-comings (or should that be long-comings in the case of crouch. Boom boom. Sorry.), persists with him.
His tactical substitutions on Saturday were absolutely fucking pointless. He in effect said "go on Pav you go and take over from Rafa, I want you to play the exact same role as he was (a role VdV plays far better tha Pav ever will). He then says "Rafa, go and play on the left, where you can have less influence going forward than Bale and offer less defensive rigour and be far less influential than you are playing in the hole. Then he says, "Bale, go and play on the right, where you are not going to be as effective as Aaron Lennon and certainly not as good as you are on the left." But to cap it all he might as well have said "but it doesn't matter any of this anyway, because I'm going to leave Crouchie up there and get the midfield and full-backs to pump long-balls up totally by-passing VdV and Bale, for him to try and get a lucky knock-down in and you never know we might nick one"
Pathetic.
Don't believe Harry would play that way? As I wrote on another thread,
Redknapp on Crouch:
"PETER CROUCH is 6ft 7in tall so his best asset is an obvious one.
It's no good putting him up front and then trying to play the ball to his feet all the time.
Peter is a technically good player but England should use his height — because he towers above most defenders.
I'm the last one to advocate the long-ball game but, if you have a player like Steven Gerrard who can put the ball on his head from 35 yards out, do it.
While he does that, the team can surge forward as a group and pick up the second ball, the knockdown they know is coming.
If you're not going to make the most of Crouchie, don't play him, simple as that. Use a little striker instead."[/quote]
Well I'm sorry, but fuck that. Have him as an impact player by all means, or try him for 50 minutes even, but he's not a 90 minute man and yesterday is not the first time playing Crouch has made us play shit football .
camaj
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Where were you lot when I was getting criticised for attacking Crouch, last season?!
I never wanted him but I was prepared to give him a fair go. Apparently he played in every game last season but only scored 8 goals. He went for 8 weeks without a goal and then 7 weeks without a goal. When a striker is not putting them away for more than 2-3 weeks the manager should think about giving a someone else a go.
Pav went 4 games without scoring (and I'd imagine he was only a sub in those 4 games) but then scored in 3 games in a row! He didn't get many after that, I'm pretty sure he went back to being a sub again.
I never wanted him but I was prepared to give him a fair go. Apparently he played in every game last season but only scored 8 goals. He went for 8 weeks without a goal and then 7 weeks without a goal. When a striker is not putting them away for more than 2-3 weeks the manager should think about giving a someone else a go.
Pav went 4 games without scoring (and I'd imagine he was only a sub in those 4 games) but then scored in 3 games in a row! He didn't get many after that, I'm pretty sure he went back to being a sub again.
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How about an objective discussion. Let's consider whether we would prefer the target men of any of the 15 teams outside of Chelsea, Manure, Citeh, Goons to Crouch.
Aston Villa - Carew
Birmingham - Zigic
Blackburn - Kalinic
Blackpool - Harewood
Bolton - Davies
Everton - Yakubu
Fulham - Zamora
Liverpool - Torres
Newcastle - Carroll
Stoke - Jones
Sunderland - Gyan
WBA - Fortune
Wet Spam - Cole
Wigan - Rodallega
Wolves - Doyle
I'll split this into the following 3 categories:
1) Would swap Crouch for them in a heartbeat
2) We'll keep Crouch thanks very much
3) Too close to call
1) Carew, Kalinic, Davies,Zamora, Torres, Carroll, Gyan, Cole, Rodallega, Doyle (10)
2) Harewood, Fortune (2)
3) Zigic, Yakubu, Jones (3)
No doubt many will disagree with a number I've included in category 1 but football is all about opinions. Let the fun begin.
Aston Villa - Carew
Birmingham - Zigic
Blackburn - Kalinic
Blackpool - Harewood
Bolton - Davies
Everton - Yakubu
Fulham - Zamora
Liverpool - Torres
Newcastle - Carroll
Stoke - Jones
Sunderland - Gyan
WBA - Fortune
Wet Spam - Cole
Wigan - Rodallega
Wolves - Doyle
I'll split this into the following 3 categories:
1) Would swap Crouch for them in a heartbeat
2) We'll keep Crouch thanks very much
3) Too close to call
1) Carew, Kalinic, Davies,Zamora, Torres, Carroll, Gyan, Cole, Rodallega, Doyle (10)
2) Harewood, Fortune (2)
3) Zigic, Yakubu, Jones (3)
No doubt many will disagree with a number I've included in category 1 but football is all about opinions. Let the fun begin.
am_yisrael_chai
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I stuck him as a maybe on the basis of his ability to con the referee into giving a free kick :wink:
+1
roosh
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He's not good enough for where we want to be, and where we want to go.
We really do need a new striker, even when Defoe is back, bcos we cannot rely on just him, if we even can rely on him.
Hopefully when Dawson comes back we should be OK at CB, but as it stands we could do with someone who isn't going to be missing huge parts of the season through injury - Richard Dunne perhaps.
Also, we need to sort out our soft CM problem. We need a tackler in there.
As mentioned, Dawson returning could sort out our CB issue, short term. Sandro could sort out our CM issue, or so could a resurgent Palacios (or van Bommel if the rumours are true).
That makes the strike department our most pressing need.
We really do need a new striker, even when Defoe is back, bcos we cannot rely on just him, if we even can rely on him.
Hopefully when Dawson comes back we should be OK at CB, but as it stands we could do with someone who isn't going to be missing huge parts of the season through injury - Richard Dunne perhaps.
Also, we need to sort out our soft CM problem. We need a tackler in there.
As mentioned, Dawson returning could sort out our CB issue, short term. Sandro could sort out our CM issue, or so could a resurgent Palacios (or van Bommel if the rumours are true).
That makes the strike department our most pressing need.
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I could not understand how Crouch stayed on on Saturday. I was expecting the sub to be Pav for Crouch not Lennon
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brett.spurs
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I couldn't understand why he started, I thought the reason Harry brought Keane on at Inter was because he knew the game was gone and wanted to keep Pav fresh for Everton - he did score on his last start so I thought he was nailed on to play.
It's quite ridiculous that our midfield is clearly the strongest part of the side yet we choose to bypass them and go straight to Crouch :?
There's always next year
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Before you look to buy something you look at the product description, the ingredients and the price. You then make your choice based on whether that product matches your needs and is priced accordingly.
When you are looking to buy and striker. The ingredients must include - ability to score goals, recognised pace, possesses strength and can shoot with both feet. If they can do this you look at the price tag and dependant on the quality of the ingredients, you then decide whether it's worth the money and you make your purchase.
I am still struggling to comprehend how an experienced manager and chairman agreed to part with £9m for a striker who can't score, run, pass, shoot and has the balance of Bambi on ice complimented with the strength of an IKEA wardrobe.
When you are looking to buy and striker. The ingredients must include - ability to score goals, recognised pace, possesses strength and can shoot with both feet. If they can do this you look at the price tag and dependant on the quality of the ingredients, you then decide whether it's worth the money and you make your purchase.
I am still struggling to comprehend how an experienced manager and chairman agreed to part with £9m for a striker who can't score, run, pass, shoot and has the balance of Bambi on ice complimented with the strength of an IKEA wardrobe.
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Crouch is a good player for us but we should have signed another a striker in the summer.
Defoe is a midget, Keane is finished, Pav is too inconsistent to be trusted to start big games and Crouch is somewhat one-dimensional.
It's not the big-fellas fault that the weight of our goalscoring expectations currently rest on his slender shoulders because that has never really been his game, he's a great option to have in the squad but we need others to come in when things aren't going his way and right now we don't have that.
Defoe is a midget, Keane is finished, Pav is too inconsistent to be trusted to start big games and Crouch is somewhat one-dimensional.
It's not the big-fellas fault that the weight of our goalscoring expectations currently rest on his slender shoulders because that has never really been his game, he's a great option to have in the squad but we need others to come in when things aren't going his way and right now we don't have that.
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Exactly how I read the situation. Baffling stuff.
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When you put it like that it's staggering isn't it? And the madness doesn't end there. Several other managers have bought him plus he's conned a few England managers into picking him 40-odd times!
I'm asking myself why more posters on SC aren't top class football managers :wink:
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