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The Daily ITK Discussion Thread - 11 August 2011

walworthyid

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I certainly don't think we should all slit our wrists if we don't buy anybody but with the fixtures we have it will mean that we will be under a lot of pressure early on and if we don't start well we could be in for a long season. We should remember though that this team was good enough to get fourth last year, we threw it away to an inferior team imo, and the teams around us have not yet strengthened.

Pool have bought players that would not get into our team with the exception of suarez and Carroll, so have man u, the scum are falling apart and city have bought another striker.

I really want a striker and some cover for Sandro until he returns but it seems like it just isn't going to happen. Personally, I think if we had another manager or a DoF we would have players by now.
 

werty

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Thanks guys. :up: Seems like we're only at the early stages of negotiating.
 

Dan Ashcroft

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Kaboul has all the attributes to succeed and I sincerely hope he is cemented as a starter in some guise this season, either as RB or preferably CB.

In terms of Tacsi and his reputation, I thought Hummels was ahead of him as the future of the German national side and whilst I will bow to more informed opinions of him, I remain to be convinced this is a wise move at this moment in time.

Think Tacsi and Hummels are Germany's Smalling and Jones (though probably better).

Kaboul has all the physical attributes to succeed but sadly none of the mental ones. He'll never move out of Dawson's shadow as our 'brawn' CB IMO.
 

Berglad

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I certainly don't think we should all slit our wrists if we don't buy anybody but with the fixtures we have it will mean that we will be under a lot of pressure early on and if we don't start well we could be in for a long season. We should remember though that this team was good enough to get fourth last year, we threw it away to an inferior team imo, and the teams around us have not yet strengthened.

Pool have bought players that would not get into our team with the exception of suarez and Carroll, so have man u, the scum are falling apart and city have bought another striker.

I really want a striker and some cover for Sandro until he returns but it seems like it just isn't going to happen. Personally, I think if we had another manager or a DoF we would have players by now.

This season is also particularly important, as we have a great team right now that's on the cusp of success but it could all fall apart next summer. We had the one blip we could afford last season to keep the likes of Bale, Modric (which was still tough enough), and VDV. If we don't make top 4 this season it's extremely likely all three of those and perhaps Sandro will be pushing to leave next year.

It's also likely that one way or another we'll be looking for a new coach next summer so we need the best possible performance this season in order to attract an ideal coach for our next phase, as well as attract replacement players if we end up selling the likes of Modric and Bale.
 

felmani26

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It might not seem particularly problematic to you right now, but the very fact that we are reportedly checking out CBs suggests there is a need to strengthen, otherwise we wouldn't be looking, would we?

Ledley continues to defy medical science, but surely he can't defy it much longer.

After a shaky start, Gallas confounded those who thought Harry had lost his marbles, but has he got much more than a season in him?

Bassong appeared to be going backwards.

Corluka isn't as bad as some make out, but he's not that good either and you really wouldn't want him there except in a dire emergency. Ditto Huddlestone.

So that leaves Dawson and Kaboul, the latter of whom we may want at RB (or conceivably, even to cover at DM). Tasci could be a pretty shrewd buy, as a year on his price could have shot up. And it would please a substantial chunk of the population of Tottenham.

I'm not doubting in time we will need to strengthen and it remains to be seen as well if Caulker will make the grade or not but the point I was making as that unless we see some movement which in all likelihood will be Bassong leaving then I don't think it's an area that will make or break us in the short term and considering we need to reduce the numbers in our squad then it doesn't make sense to me, in this window, to go out and buy another defender.

End of the day, Dawson, King, Gallas, Kaboul and currently Bassong will take up places in our squad - that to me is good enough to compete and I don't forsee at the moment a likely offer that will tempt Levy to sell Bassong, considering we spent the best part of £8million on him.
 

kremlyn

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I certainly don't think we should all slit our wrists if we don't buy anybody but with the fixtures we have it will mean that we will be under a lot of pressure early on and if we don't start well we could be in for a long season. We should remember though that this team was good enough to get fourth last year, we threw it away to an inferior team imo, and the teams around us have not yet strengthened.

Pool have bought players that would not get into our team with the exception of suarez and Carroll, so have man u, the scum are falling apart and city have bought another striker.

I really want a striker and some cover for Sandro until he returns but it seems like it just isn't going to happen. Personally, I think if we had another manager or a DoF we would have players by now.

Doesn't Levy do the buying? Do you ever think before you type?
 

RJ1882

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Another day, another week, and nothing.

I give up.

Away to watch this shoot out

Night
 

SpurSince57

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I certainly don't think we should all slit our wrists if we don't buy anybody but with the fixtures we have it will mean that we will be under a lot of pressure early on and if we don't start well we could be in for a long season. We should remember though that this team was good enough to get fourth last year, we threw it away to an inferior team imo, and the teams around us have not yet strengthened.

Pool have bought players that would not get into our team with the exception of suarez and Carroll, so have man u, the scum are falling apart and city have bought another striker.

I really want a striker and some cover for Sandro until he returns but it seems like it just isn't going to happen. Personally, I think if we had another manager or a DoF we would have players by now.

We might, but would they be any good?

You want cover for Sandro until he returns, by which you presumably mean a player of equal quality. So what, tell me, happens to this temporary replacement when Sandro does return? Wouldn't it actually make as much sense to pay Palacios?

Every striker that gets mentioned someone pops up to say, 'He's not what we need' or 'No, he's shit.'

And, most importantly, we know fuck all about what's actually happening.
 

Viper

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I certainly don't think we should all slit our wrists if we don't buy anybody but with the fixtures we have it will mean that we will be under a lot of pressure early on and if we don't start well we could be in for a long season. We should remember though that this team was good enough to get fourth last year, we threw it away to an inferior team imo, and the teams around us have not yet strengthened.

Pool have bought players that would not get into our team with the exception of suarez and Carroll, so have man u, the scum are falling apart and city have bought another striker.

I really want a striker and some cover for Sandro until he returns but it seems like it just isn't going to happen. Personally, I think if we had another manager or a DoF we would have players by now.

Speak for yourself mate, I'll be going to the top of Big Ben to hang myself if we fail to sign a quality striker:roll:. Now is the time for us to push on before its too late as quality players that we already have such as modric and bale will def be off next season if we don't improve and show ambition. We are just a couple of class players away from challenging for the title, come on levy smash transfer records and wages n make it happen, bring in Rossi, Adebayor and Diarra.
 

ethanedwards

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Suarez has looked excellent and I would expect him to look even better this season after settling and a pre-season.

Suarez could of been our Tevez no problem, I honestly believe that.
Good post, have a little flutter on him to be top scorer in the PL this season.
Hope he takes penalties.
 

felmani26

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Think Tacsi and Hummels are Germany's Smalling and Jones (though probably better).

Kaboul has all the physical attributes to succeed but sadly none of the mental ones. He'll never move out of Dawson's shadow as our 'brawn' CB IMO.

Kaboul is a far more cultured a defender than you give him credit for, one who regularly last season managed to bring the ball out of defence and look to start our attacks with more incisive passes on the deck than just merely lumping forward to Crouch.

A fantastic athlete who combines fantastic aerial ability, awareness of players around him and great close control - he is the prototype for any successful centre back and whilst I don't doubt he can be a tad naive at times, this will surely come with experience and being in a settled back line in his natural position.
 

bryanabutler

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I certainly hope that if an offer firms up for Tacsi then it's not a hurdle in Kaboul's development and unless we see some movement regarding Bassong then I don't see the logic in adding to an already burgeoning squad at a position that isn't particularly problematic at this current junction.


Also with Caulker coming through, would be better to see how he does at Swansea, and use the money on strikers
 

Mr Pink

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Kaboul is a far more cultured a defender than you give him credit for, one who regularly last season managed to bring the ball out of defence and look to start our attacks with more incisive passes on the deck than just merely lumping forward to Crouch.

A fantastic athlete who combines fantastic aerial ability, awareness of players around him and great close control - he is the prototype for any successful centre back and whilst I don't doubt he can be a tad naive at times, this will surely come with experience and being in a settled back line in his natural position.

Totally agree, he was doing very well last season as well and then had a spell on the sidelines.

I think Kaboul will go right to the top and his progression has been rewarded by playing for France.
 

walworthyid

David Ginola
Oct 25, 2004
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We might, but would they be any good?

You want cover for Sandro until he returns, by which you presumably mean a player of equal quality. So what, tell me, happens to this temporary replacement when Sandro does return? Wouldn't it actually make as much sense to pay Palacios?

Every striker that gets mentioned someone pops up to say, 'He's not what we need' or 'No, he's shit.'

And, most importantly, we know fuck all about what's actually happening.

Well I guess the first point is valid in the sense that I perhaps used the wrong word "cover" as opposed to a partner. I don't really like the idea of Hudd or JJ partnering Modric in the middle until Sandro returns, do you? I would actually like to see us playing a 4-2-3-1 or some variant thereof which allow us to bring in another top notch defensive mid eg Diarra. I would also be happy to play Wilson if he can get his form back and isn't sold.

As for not knowing what is actually happening, yes you are obviously correct, but we do know what isn't happening and I think we can certainly draw some inferences from that!
 

SpurSince57

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Suarez has looked excellent and I would expect him to look even better this season after settling and a pre-season.

Suarez could of been our Tevez no problem, I honestly believe that.

Last season Suarez had 47 shots, 23 on target, and scored 4 goals (one of which really should have gone down as an OG).

Defoe had 42, 23 on target, and also scored 4.

Isn't that interesting?

We didn't sign the nasty, cheating, diving little shit. Let's get over it.
 

shaqTHFC

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I heard that Tasci has been a flop this season?

Doesn't mean he couldn't be really good for us so long as he actually has the right attributes and it's just form. If he was playing out of his skin we probably wouldn't have a chance of signing him would we?
 
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