The Daily ITK Discussion Thread - 28th August 2014

faulks · Aug 29, 2014

Lilbaz said:
Apart from Poch this week saying Townsend was part of his plans?

You'll find out for sure on Sunday if he's in the team again. If he doesn't make the squad again, we've pretty much fucked up.

faulks · Aug 29, 2014

goughie1966 said:
Maybe the overseas and homegrown limits had an effect on this too?

Schneiderlin counts as homegrown.

easley91 · Aug 29, 2014

The Goat did also say 'never say never'. Deadline day always has a twist in it somewhere. Reckon the MS deal will be back on at various points on Monday.

jezz · Aug 29, 2014

Lilbaz said:
Apart from Poch this week saying Townsend was part of his plans?

Part of his plans to get MS?

thejames · Aug 29, 2014

It's the goat. Pinch of salt like any ITK.

It MAY be true, but it may still just be tactics - a pissing contest. The window isn't over yet. We may just be arguing over AT's price. Standard stuff, you'd think.

The fat Levy hasn't sung yet.

Saul · Aug 29, 2014

Nicholson failed to sign John Charles so he switched to Mackay. MS is not the only option.

goughie1966 · Aug 29, 2014

easley91 said:
The Goat did also say 'never say never'. Deadline day always has a twist in it somewhere. Reckon the MS deal will be back on at various points on Monday.

Not a chance. We're about to sign his alternative and Southampton's MS replacement has gone back

KILLA_SIN · Aug 29, 2014

Breezer said:
We identified Schneiderlin and Mussachio as two keys players. Yet failed to land both. Quite disappointing really. I just hope Poch gave Levy the go ahead to sign Stambouli, otherwise it's another situation where we're forcing players on the manager.

27m for Schneiderlin and 17m+ for Musachio that's a double deal getting close to £50m as we don't even know what Villareal wanted because they weren't accepting 17m. I think we would all love them both but we are never going to spend £50m on two players. I think Poch is a smart man and knows what club he is at. I don't want players forced on him either but I don't think he will be throwing the toys out like AVB

Lilbaz · Aug 29, 2014

faulks said:
You'll find out for sure on Sunday if he's in the team again. If he doesn't make the squad again, we've pretty much fucked up.

We have a squad of 25. Not all of them will get in the matchday squad every week. He's played in a in over half our games this season, which suggests he is part of his plans.

easley91 · Aug 29, 2014

goughie1966 said:
Not a chance. We're about to sign his alternative and Southampton's MS replacement has gone back

There'll be a story to bump up ratings/views/whatever. Anything can happen on deadline day. We'll just have to wait and see what it has in store for us this time.

Teddy Klinsmann · Aug 29, 2014

easley91 said:
The Goat did also say 'never say never'. Deadline day always has a twist in it somewhere. Reckon the MS deal will be back on at various points on Monday.

Rather we go all out for a LW. Loan or buy we need good cover for Chadli.

faulks · Aug 29, 2014

Lilbaz said:
We have a squad of 25. Not all of them will get in the matchday squad every week. He's played in a in over half our games this season, which suggests he is part of his plans.

If he can't make a match day squad over Chadli, Lennon, etc then there is an issue.

Since he's supposedly a makeweight for MS, who would be a starter, we'd be looking at keeping him as 2nd/3rd choice over another 1st choice player. Which is silly.

KILLA_SIN · Aug 29, 2014

Bus-Conductor said:
Have you seen much of him play for Monaco ? I wouldn't say he's been rubbish. Third highest passer in the French league last year, 8 assists (Rodriguez top with 11), helped them into the CL. He's a quality footballer.

Who were the top 2

Mr Pink · Aug 29, 2014

Bus-Conductor said:
Got to say, despite being a bit worried that MS would hinder the development of Bentaleb, I am also amazed we wouldn't be happy to offload a peripheral player who's unlikely to start much and who isn't the best worker off the ball as a rule (and has an issue listening to a manager's instructions) and so might not be a great fit for Pochettino's system.

Stambouli and now this. Weird night.

Totally agree.

And Townsend probably is the worst fit out of the lot. I find that ITK staggering in truth and it makes me think that Poch hasn't had much say in it. Didn't start him against West Ham, left him out completely against QPR and he had a shocker out in Cyprus and frustrated in pre season and there's been very little to suggest he's going to adapt his game and play with more maturity and intelligence.

We have Southampton who seem desperate to get him even though we hold such a strong interest in MS.

I just have a nagging feeling that Levy and co think Townsend, and his brief England hype/success, believe he's destined for the top - and don't believe now is a time to sell as his stock could be higher in the near future.

I wouldn't be confident about that at all but that's what I suspect has scuppered this.

goughie1966 · Aug 30, 2014

Jonny_Moffett said:
Rather we go all out for a LW. Loan or buy we need good cover for Chadli.

Yep desperate for LWF. But Chadli's cover may end up being Lennon and Townsend, which is quite depressing

Lilbaz · Aug 30, 2014

faulks said:
If he can't make a match day squad over Chadli, Lennon, etc then there is an issue.

Since he's supposedly a makeweight for MS, who would be a starter, we'd be looking at keeping him as 2nd/3rd choice over another 1st choice player. Which is silly.

I don't think we did. It's probably more the fact that our valuations didn't match up.

Yiddo1982 · Aug 30, 2014

Townsend was terrible last night and definitely not good enough for a Top 5/6 club looking to improve. Maybe Poch thinks there is something for him to work with, but I can't see it...

SamR · Aug 30, 2014

jezz said:
Huh?

We spent a lot of money on Bentley, Bent etc and took a big hit on them. Not saying MS would flop as I really rate him but I can see why DL and the committee looked at other options with better financial perks when the value of MS and MM exceeded what we believe they are worth.

thinktank · Aug 30, 2014

Cornpattbuck said:
It depends really. Talk was of Southampton wanting £27m for MS (and judging by the fees they got for others I'm not surprised). They seemed to rate Townsend around £8m (if he was their player he'd be at least £15m!). A fair swap would have been Andros plus maybe £5m. Doubt that was Southampton's deal though.

Andros+8mil would be a good deal for them - the guy can't stand them anymore and doesn't want to be there and will stink up the dressing room at a time when they are trying to build something new, practically from scratch.

Cornpattbuck · Aug 30, 2014

Yup, quite a bit. The league still produces some excellent players but overall it remains pretty naff. Seen so many appalling games; even from the likes of PSG! Can't remember the name of the old fella in midfield for Monaco but he was still more impressive than Moutinho - who I expected to achieve far more in his career than he has.

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