Partizan Belgrade Vs Tottenham: Match Thread

Sweetsman · Sep 19, 2014

Shadydan said:
Nah I watched the game, Everton scored 4 goals and Wolfsburg scored 1 therefore they were the better team

That's a bit desperate, Dan!

TH1239 · Sep 19, 2014

The only thing that surprises me is that people here are surprised. You cannot play those attacking players to start the game, with two ball recyclers in the midfield, and expect to create clear cut chances. I made that point last week and was scolded, and told more or less that Lennon and Townsend were more than good enough to see us through the group stages as starters. Just look at their statistics in the last year. Nearly 60 hours of EPL football and 2 goals between them (one deflection and one cross that went in), and not one goal or an assist in the group or knockout stages of Europa in the last year, either. You cannot play them as two of the four in Pochettino's system and expect to create clear cut chances. They don't have the end product. You can make all the excuses you want, but the sample size is too large to dismiss at this stage.

This is EXACTLY the reason why it was daft that we sold Sigurdsson and Holtby and brought in ZERO attacking players in the summer. What the hell will we do if Eriksen, Chadli, or Lamela get injured for any stretch of time? We'll struggle mightily to score goals in the league, as our two central midfielders almost certainly aren't going to be goal scorers either.

As for Ben Davies, look, anyone who watched him at Swansea knew his limitations. We argued endlessly in June about his deficiencies. He was the single most dribbled player in the entire EPL last season, and he doesn't have pace, nor is his final particularly great. He's good at playing one touch football and hitting short passes, but for this system, he isn't going to be the answer for width and end product.

All in all, I think Poch is going to have tough decisions to make going forward in this competition. He'll probably have to start one or more of Lamela, Eriksen, and Chadli in a game or two to make sure we can create chances from the start.

As an addendum, let me add that comparing Pochettino to Rodgers without mentioning that Rodgers has been backed to the tune of 210+ million pounds in the transfer market (90 million pound net spend thus far) doesn't make much sense. Pochettino needs backing in the transfer market and he needs it starting in January. There is very little he can do to solve the lack of end product that certain players have in the squad. He had the same issue at Espanyol towards the end of his tenure there, and the depth of the squad won't be addressed until we bring in at least one upgrade, if not more.

Cavehillspur · Sep 19, 2014

only1waddle said:
is anyone else watching the Everton game? pretty much starting PL 11 Martinez has gone with..

Be interesting to see how they do on Sunday. Will take its toll on their squad eventually I would say.

Metalhead · Sep 19, 2014

TH1239 said:
The only thing that surprises me is that people here are surprised. You cannot play those attacking players to start the game, with two ball recyclers in the midfield, and expect to create clear cut chances. I made that point last week and was scolded, and told more or less that Lennon and Townsend were more than good enough to see us through the group stages as starters. Just look at their statistics in the last year. Nearly 60 hours of EPL football and 2 goals between them (one deflection and one cross that went in), and not one goal or an assist in the group or knockout stages of Europa in the last year, either. You cannot play them as two of the four in Pochettino's system and expect to create clear cut chances. They don't have the end product. You can make all the excuses you want, but the sample size is too large to dismiss at this stage.

This is EXACTLY the reason why it was daft that we sold Sigurdsson and Holtby and brought in ZERO attacking players in the summer. What the hell will we do if Eriksen, Chadli, or Lamela get injured for any stretch of time? We'll struggle mightily to score goals in the league, as our two central midfielders almost certainly aren't going to be goal scorers either.

As for Ben Davies, look, anyone who watched him at Swansea knew his limitations. We argued endlessly in June about his deficiencies. He was the single most dribbled player in the entire EPL last season, and he doesn't have pace, nor is his final particularly great. He's good at playing one touch football and hitting short passes, but for this system, he isn't going to be the answer for width and end product.

All in all, I think Poch is going to have tough decisions to make going forward in this competition. He'll probably have to start one or more of Lamela, Eriksen, and Chadli in a game or two to make sure we can create chances from the start.

As an addendum, let me add that comparing Pochettino to Rodgers without mentioning that Rodgers has been backed to the tune of 210+ million pounds in the transfer market (90 million pound net spend thus far) doesn't make much sense. Pochettino needs backing in the transfer market and he needs it starting in January. There is very little he can do to solve the lack of end product that certain players have in the squad. He had the same issue at Espanyol towards the end of his tenure there, and the depth of the squad won't be addressed until we bring in at least one upgrade, if not more.

Pochettino does need backing in the transfer market; he also needs time. Personally, and I know I'll get pelters but I don't think it's realistic to expect him to finish top 4 this season but what we all want is to be entertained. If Pochettino can manage the latter then he will keep the fans placated.

CowInAComa · Sep 19, 2014

I dont think we went out there to get a big impressive win. I think we went out there to get what we got utilising players we arent really considering for the WBA game. I expect that we will see more and more first teamers incorporated as the competition and pitches improve.

We will probably pick up JRod in the Jan window and do a couple of other bits of business.

TH1239 said:
The only thing that surprises me is that people here are surprised. You cannot play those attacking players to start the game, with two ball recyclers in the midfield, and expect to create clear cut chances. I made that point last week and was scolded, and told more or less that Lennon and Townsend were more than good enough to see us through the group stages as starters. Just look at their statistics in the last year. Nearly 60 hours of EPL football and 2 goals between them (one deflection and one cross that went in), and not one goal or an assist in the group or knockout stages of Europa in the last year, either. You cannot play them as two of the four in Pochettino's system and expect to create clear cut chances. They don't have the end product. You can make all the excuses you want, but the sample size is too large to dismiss at this stage.

This is EXACTLY the reason why it was daft that we sold Sigurdsson and Holtby and brought in ZERO attacking players in the summer. What the hell will we do if Eriksen, Chadli, or Lamela get injured for any stretch of time? We'll struggle mightily to score goals in the league, as our two central midfielders almost certainly aren't going to be goal scorers either.

As for Ben Davies, look, anyone who watched him at Swansea knew his limitations. We argued endlessly in June about his deficiencies. He was the single most dribbled player in the entire EPL last season, and he doesn't have pace, nor is his final particularly great. He's good at playing one touch football and hitting short passes, but for this system, he isn't going to be the answer for width and end product.

All in all, I think Poch is going to have tough decisions to make going forward in this competition. He'll probably have to start one or more of Lamela, Eriksen, and Chadli in a game or two to make sure we can create chances from the start.

As an addendum, let me add that comparing Pochettino to Rodgers without mentioning that Rodgers has been backed to the tune of 210+ million pounds in the transfer market (90 million pound net spend thus far) doesn't make much sense. Pochettino needs backing in the transfer market and he needs it starting in January. There is very little he can do to solve the lack of end product that certain players have in the squad. He had the same issue at Espanyol towards the end of his tenure there, and the depth of the squad won't be addressed until we bring in at least one upgrade, if not more.

TH1239 · Sep 19, 2014

Metalhead said:
Pochettino does need backing in the transfer market; he also needs time. Personally, and I know I'll get pelters but I don't think it's realistic to expect him to finish top 4 this season but what we all want is to be entertained. If Pochettino can manage the latter then he will keep the fans placated.

Any sensible person should agree that he needs time, but he isn't going to be able to meet expectations here in the long run with a no net spend transfer policy. The only way he can bring quality players in going forward, if our austerity holds, would be to sell players like Eriksen, Vertonghen, and Lloris, and that really would be a lateral move when it comes to building a quality squad in all in likelihood.

There are limitations in the squad at-large that his coaching system cannot come close to overcoming. Even if we failed to qualify to the knockout stages of Europa, I wouldn't necessarily blame him given the complete lack of depth when it comes to our attacking options.

Monkey boy · Sep 19, 2014

I think this is one of those games that we just need to move on from. It was a horror show of a pitch, we had our second string team out, we didn't lose and Besiktas also drew at home to the whipping boys. Win our homes games and we'll be fine.

Lets just hope there's no perceived "hangover" for WBA as for the time being its the league that we need to be focussing on.

Mr Pink · Sep 19, 2014

Gaz_Gammon said:
We earned a point, we earned a point on Saturday? I can indeed live with that after a dire performance. Like i said roll on Sunday and let's hope we play a lot, lot better than at your fortress Sunderland.

What do you see so, so wrong in someone on here saying that the point was well earned despite a dire performance?

Apparently we picked up an injury, one that i didn't see. Bad news if true.

Don't be so bitter after your'e laughable summing up of Sunderland. It's not your fault you make assumptions without
checking facts first.

I like you Gaz, SC's in house nut!

Endearing lol

talkshowhost86 · Sep 19, 2014

So I missed the game as I was out getting windsocked on craft beer.

Was it as boring as it sounds?

Wonderkid · Sep 19, 2014

TH1239 said:
The only thing that surprises me is that people here are surprised. You cannot play those attacking players to start the game, with two ball recyclers in the midfield, and expect to create clear cut chances. I made that point last week and was scolded, and told more or less that Lennon and Townsend were more than good enough to see us through the group stages as starters. Just look at their statistics in the last year. Nearly 60 hours of EPL football and 2 goals between them (one deflection and one cross that went in), and not one goal or an assist in the group or knockout stages of Europa in the last year, either. You cannot play them as two of the four in Pochettino's system and expect to create clear cut chances. They don't have the end product. You can make all the excuses you want, but the sample size is too large to dismiss at this stage.

This is EXACTLY the reason why it was daft that we sold Sigurdsson and Holtby and brought in ZERO attacking players in the summer. What the hell will we do if Eriksen, Chadli, or Lamela get injured for any stretch of time? We'll struggle mightily to score goals in the league, as our two central midfielders almost certainly aren't going to be goal scorers either.

All in all, I think Poch is going to have tough decisions to make going forward in this competition. He'll probably have to start one or more of Lamela, Eriksen, and Chadli in a game or two to make sure we can create chances from the start.

As an addendum, let me add that comparing Pochettino to Rodgers without mentioning that Rodgers has been backed to the tune of 210+ million pounds in the transfer market (90 million pound net spend thus far) doesn't make much sense. Pochettino needs backing in the transfer market and he needs it starting in January. There is very little he can do to solve the lack of end product that certain players have in the squad. He had the same issue at Espanyol towards the end of his tenure there, and the depth of the squad won't be addressed until we bring in at least one upgrade, if not more.

Those players were sold because our squad was and is still massive. Pochettino mentioned this himself several times and I'm sure not only sanctioned but pushed for the Sigurdsson and Holtby sales without the need for replacements. What happens if Lamela, Eriksen or Chadli goes down? we will struggle just like any team would if one of their key starting players goes down.

The fact we can name an almost entirely new starting XI in the Europa League and earn a deserved draw away in a hostile environment in what will probably be our toughest (or second toughest) game of the group on a god awful pitch is testament to how strong our squad is. To put it in contrast, go check out Everton's starting line up against Wolfsburg, yes they won 4-1 but it was close to their strongest XI including Baines, Lukaku, Mirallas etc. Players they would be royally screwed without if they were to get injured

I agree Townsend and Lennon have limitations, but were ideal in a sense to play a counter attacking stye away from home. In addition Paulinho has goals in him, it didn't happen tonight and there will be nights like that, for every team. I also agree we may need to start Lamela or Eriksen in some of these games to come away with a win but there's absolutely nothing wrong with that and certainly doesn't mean it was a mistake to sell two average midfielders who were surplus to requirements.

jezz · Sep 19, 2014

talkshowhost86 said:
So I missed the game as I was out getting windsocked on craft beer.

Was it as boring as it sounds?

Got a result, no entertainment value.

Everlasting Seconds · Sep 19, 2014

The match was OK. It did the bear minimum of a job. It was like walking into McDonald's. You get the right burger you wanted, they get the size of your chips right, but they don't offer you friendly service nor put extra sauce in your bag. It's OK, it's what you came for and that's that. But looking to the weekend, you expect to be back at a higher level, popping into you favourite gourmet burgerplace/pub with smiling brunettes and imaginative burgers of lamb or chorizo.
It was OK, but you will expect more quite soon.
If anyone catch my fucking Friday morning drift.

talkshowhost86 · Sep 19, 2014

jezz said:
Got a result, no entertainment value.

Was AVB guest managing for the night?

eddiebailey · Sep 19, 2014

TH1239 said:
The only thing that surprises me is that people here are surprised. You cannot play those attacking players to start the game, with two ball recyclers in the midfield, and expect to create clear cut chances. I made that point last week and was scolded, and told more or less that Lennon and Townsend were more than good enough to see us through the group stages as starters.

So a comfortable away draw on a terrible pitch in a hostile stadium against one of the best teams in the group means we are not going to get through the group stages? Really??

Seems to me that the people who told you that were bang on the money.

Vwbottom · Sep 19, 2014

The atmosphere was intimidating, the pitch was shit, taking all that into consideration we did ok. Couldn't really ping the ball about across the floor, opted for high balls. If we don't beat them at WHL on a decent pitch then I think we should be pissed.

DiscoD1882 · Sep 19, 2014

no getting away from some terrible performances. on an abysmal pitch And overall a pretty dreary game. We need home wins and away draws to get out of this group. I will leave it at that.

jezz · Sep 19, 2014

talkshowhost86 said:
Was AVB guest managing for the night?

Certainly looked that way.

garryparkerschest · Sep 19, 2014

Too many people over analyse performances on here.

It was a good performance considering the conditions and the fact we played the 2nd eleven.

The players are still getting use to system and formation so I think it's early to have a verdict.

CowInAComa · Sep 19, 2014

talkshowhost86 said:
So I missed the game as I was out getting windsocked on craft beer.

Was it as boring as it sounds?

It was like 90% of Europa games played by English clubs in mole-hilled racists 3rd rate shitpit. Crap to watch, but not particularly scary. Get in, get out with the point and as few knocks as possible, fuck them over at the lane.

no big deal in the scheme of things.

m*****73 · Sep 19, 2014

TH1239 said:
The only thing that surprises me is that people here are surprised. You cannot play those attacking players to start the game, with two ball recyclers in the midfield, and expect to create clear cut chances. I made that point last week and was scolded, and told more or less that Lennon and Townsend were more than good enough to see us through the group stages as starters. Just look at their statistics in the last year. Nearly 60 hours of EPL football and 2 goals between them (one deflection and one cross that went in), and not one goal or an assist in the group or knockout stages of Europa in the last year, either. You cannot play them as two of the four in Pochettino's system and expect to create clear cut chances. They don't have the end product. You can make all the excuses you want, but the sample size is too large to dismiss at this stage.

This is EXACTLY the reason why it was daft that we sold Sigurdsson and Holtby and brought in ZERO attacking players in the summer. What the hell will we do if Eriksen, Chadli, or Lamela get injured for any stretch of time? We'll struggle mightily to score goals in the league, as our two central midfielders almost certainly aren't going to be goal scorers either.

As for Ben Davies, look, anyone who watched him at Swansea knew his limitations. We argued endlessly in June about his deficiencies. He was the single most dribbled player in the entire EPL last season, and he doesn't have pace, nor is his final particularly great. He's good at playing one touch football and hitting short passes, but for this system, he isn't going to be the answer for width and end product.

All in all, I think Poch is going to have tough decisions to make going forward in this competition. He'll probably have to start one or more of Lamela, Eriksen, and Chadli in a game or two to make sure we can create chances from the start.

As an addendum, let me add that comparing Pochettino to Rodgers without mentioning that Rodgers has been backed to the tune of 210+ million pounds in the transfer market (90 million pound net spend thus far) doesn't make much sense. Pochettino needs backing in the transfer market and he needs it starting in January. There is very little he can do to solve the lack of end product that certain players have in the squad. He had the same issue at Espanyol towards the end of his tenure there, and the depth of the squad won't be addressed until we bring in at least one upgrade, if not more.

This is one of the best comments I've read on this forum in a long time. Well thought out, good logical conclusions and well written to boot.

Well done, TH1239.

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