The Poch has been confirmed as manager thread!

felmani26 · Aug 22, 2015

I'm not going to regurgitate certain observations made on Poch's reign thus far, some valid, some less so, but what is most worrying at this moment in time is that I get the impression he has absolutely no idea what his best team is. His tactical inflexibility/stubborness is negating the effectiveness of so many of the players he currently has at his disposal and shoehorning them into this rigid 4231 is just patently not working or evolving the way any of us would like.

Still very much a work in progress though and must be given time this season whereby we should be making key acquisitions in the coming days in areas of current weakness coupled with the fact that we have now almost completely rid ourselves of the very expensively assembled deadwood, Poch can now work with a squad that his hopefully a lot more receptive to his ideologies and one would expect a visible underlining of this fact as the season progresses.

millsey · Aug 22, 2015

whitesocks said:
Thats right, but not because he shouldn't be moved on.
Our methods of sacking managers are as perverse and contrary as our recruiting methods.
He is as safe as houses.

He's safe as any top manager will not put up with our net spend and transfer policys. He's the best we can get really

millsey · Aug 22, 2015

Stoof said:
The bold bit is completely why he should be given time. He's not to this day got his squad but hopefully by deadline day, he will have. Then we watch and judge.

Do you think that's likely though? He needs quite a few players for us turn into a very decent team

ItsBoris · Aug 22, 2015

Stoof said:
The bold bit is completely why he should be given time. He's not to this day got his squad but hopefully by deadline day, he will have. Then we watch and judge.

It's the same old story. He needs to get his players in order to prove himself, but Levy won't buy all the players he needs. The same thing happens over and over no matter who the manager is. Then we fire the one that's in charge, and have to start all over again.

Kalim · Aug 22, 2015

All I can say is that watching Poch's style of play for the last year has probably only excited me 3-4 times.
I've been watching spurs since '68 and seen some good years and a hell of a lot of mediocre years. Neither Harry nor Tim were ideal managers but both at least set up their teams to play good football, at best I would class Poch's style of football as functional.

Stoof · Aug 22, 2015

ItsBoris said:
It's the same old story. He needs to get his players in order to prove himself, but Levy won't buy all the players he needs. The same thing happens over and over no matter who the manager is. Then we fire the one that's in charge, and have to start all over again.

I will answer you after the window shuts. Historically Levy hasn't backed his managers. It seems different to me - the clearout is unprecedented, especially with a number of those at a loss. Can you not wait until the window shuts before saying what has and hasn't been done?

Stoof · Aug 22, 2015

millsey said:
Do you think that's likely though? He needs quite a few players for us turn into a very decent team

Not sure we do. I think a defensive midfielder and a different option up front and that's it.

To be honest, that's all I think we'll get.

Alli is a very exciting prospect.

millsey · Aug 22, 2015

Stoof said:
Not sure we do. I think a defensive midfielder and a different option up front and that's it.

To be honest, that's all I think we'll get.

Alli is a very exciting prospect.

But will that change our style? We aren't playing very good football

Stoof · Aug 22, 2015

millsey said:
But will that change our style? We aren't playing very good football

All in good time. Like a fine whisky or wine.

millsey · Aug 22, 2015

Stoof said:
All in good time. Like a fine whisky or wine.

Glass half full man. I like it

Bobbins · Aug 22, 2015

ItsBoris said:
It's the same old story. He needs to get his players in order to prove himself, but Levy won't buy all the players he needs. The same thing happens over and over no matter who the manager is. Then we fire the one that's in charge, and have to start all over again.

The problem with this is that you could just say "Well, Bobbins is our new manager, but his system requires Messi, Ronaldo, Neymar, Suarez etc to be successful". Oh well, Levy can't get the players the manager says he needs, manager underperforms, Levy sacks manager. It's just an excuse.

A good coach should be able to make a team more than the sum of its parts - I am 100% fed up to the gills with hearing about how much Poch needs his players and needs his squad and until he gets them we can't judge him.

Bollocks! He has been massively uninspiring. He did ok to finish 5th last season - the placing was good, but we were extremely lucky to get there, we got some extremely lucky results, and a couple of genuinely good performances. And all of that while we've really not been playing very nice football at all.

Barry Mead · Aug 22, 2015

Stoof said:
The bold bit is completely why he should be given time. He's not to this day got his squad but hopefully by deadline day, he will have. Then we watch and judge.

Actually it's completely why we should never have brought him in in the first place, he doesn't have the tactical nous to find a system that suits the bulk of the squad and gets the best out of them, instead he tries to force square pegs into round holes and change the whole squad around
The silly thing was he had players that better suited the shape and style he wants to play when he was at Soton and despite our turmoil that season we still finished above them
It tells me two things, the system is not that good for the PL and he hasn't got enough experience or depth of technical ability to change
All this "a manager has not got his squad" is a nonsense, no manager taking over a team should need changes on that scale to be able to make it work, particularly a squad of players that have consistently been placed in the top 5 in recent years. Sure a manager may want to change a few players but shouldn't need to make such wholesale changes

Robbiepope · Aug 22, 2015

Where is the 'Levy has been confirmed as chairman thread'?

If we sack Poch we might as well start a thread for the next manager getting the boot next year as nothing will change until we invest a lot more on players - wages in particular. We have overachieved in relation to our current net transfer spend over the last 5 seasons and wage budget.

My mate reckons that even Newcastle have spend more net wise on transfers!!!

THOWIG · Aug 22, 2015

I have huge faith in Pochettino. Does he have the squad he needs? No. I hope by the end of the window he has better options. We need at least two players.

danielneeds · Aug 22, 2015

I don't want to give creedance to the sack the manager bollox

People have to remember he's still learning his trade as manager. Couple of years in England, couple in Spain, he's still a baby in management terms, and he'll make mistakes. Please don't quote Pep to show success is instant.

The reality is that managing our club is a very hard job, both in terms of the expectations of the board and the fans, and the league we're in.

I am left scratching my head at some of his decisions, but really we need to look long term, and view this as a project.

Barry Mead · Aug 22, 2015

Stoof said:
All in good time. Like a fine whisky or wine.

Sorry but I just don't see how you work that one out, as I said at Soton he had a team that better suited the shape and style he wanted to play yet he still finished lower than us. I can't see the style winning us anything

Stoof · Aug 22, 2015

Barry Mead said:
Actually it's completely why we should never have brought him in in the first place, he doesn't have the tactical nous to find a system that suits the bulk of the squad and gets the best out of them, instead he tries to force square pegs into round holes and change the whole squad around.
The silly thing was he had players that better suited the shape and style he wants to play when he was at Soton and despite our turmoil that season we still finished above them
It tells me two things, the system is not that good for the PL and he hasn't got enough experience or depth of technical ability to change
All this "a manager has not got his squad" is a nonsense, no manager taking over a team should need changes on that scale to be able to make it work, particularly a squad of players that have consistently been placed in the top 5 in recent years. Sure a manager may want to change a few players but shouldn't need to make such wholesale changes

The manager did inherit a squad, and made that squad finish 5th.

You talk like last season didn't happen. He assessed his squad and has decided who he can and can't work with.

But you don't back the chap, I do. So it's a basic disagreement, one which we won't solve.

He still has only had one season with us. Can we not just give him five years? Let him see it out; would be novel rather than having to do this all over again

Barry Mead · Aug 22, 2015

danielneeds said:
I don't want to give creedance to the sack the manager bollox

People have to remember he's still learning his trade as manager. Couple of years in England, couple in Spain, he's still a baby in management terms, and he'll make mistakes. Please don't quote Pep to show success is instant.

The reality is that managing our club is a very hard job, both in terms of the expectations of the board and the fans, and the league we're in.

I am left scratching my head at some of his decisions, but really we need to look long term, and view this as a project.

No you really don't, because there are no guarantees that time will make him any better, maybe if there was some evidence that he was learning from his mistakes and expanding his tactics but that hasn't been evident

HW61 · Aug 22, 2015

whitesocks said:
Thats right, but not because he shouldn't be moved on.
Our methods of sacking managers are as perverse and contrary as our recruiting methods.
He is as safe as houses.

He's safe until Levy needs to deflect attention away from his own shortcomings on recruitment of managers and players.

Stoof · Aug 22, 2015

Barry Mead said:
Sorry but I just don't see how you work that one out, as I said at Soton he had a team that better suited the shape and style he wanted to play yet he still finished lower than us. I can't see the style winning us anything

But not better players?

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