Everton Vs Tottenham: Match Thread

Vincent30 said:

Personally Alli and Kane had very little impact on the game. But Eriksen was by far the worst player for us today, i think he passed the ball to Everton 80% of the time, didn't make any tackles and was lightweight, he was truly awful today and i know it's the first game of the season and im happy with a point at Everton. But for Eriksen to push on and show he is this player we hope he can be, these are the games he needs to show that extra quality, unforuntately since his FK's have dried up he has a knack of doing the opposite when it really matters.

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Eriksen has been shocking for months!

Criminal wasting Erik out on the wings to accomodate under-performing Alli and Eriksen.

Lamela in the centre = proven goals and assists.

Contrary to popular belief, I'd like to see something along the lines of:

Eriksen (?) - Lamela - Son

Cruyff said:

The anger at Wanyama is perhaps more annoyance at the CM partnership, We have known for a while that Dembele was going to be out and that we needed a better start to the season. For some reason we seem to have gone with Wanyama and Dier and not promoted or bought anybody - so we probably deserve today's result when the opportunity was there to beat Everton and send out a message to the other top teams.

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Agreed, but half the entitled fans on here just don't get it.

I thought he had a reasonable first game in a Spurs shirt. in the first game of the season away from home against a team full of players trying to earn a future team selection for a new Manager.

Breezer said:

Eriksen has been shocking for months!

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That would make sense considering we haven't played a league game since May

Gaz_Gammon said:

Agreed, but half the entitled fans on here just don't get it.

I thought he had a reasonable first game in a Sours shirt. in the first game of the season away from home against a team full of players trying to earn a future team selection for a new Manager.

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I also thought he was decent. First game, some nice crunchy tackles. Seen worse debuts

Dont see what the complaints are about to be honest

Well.....at least we are a point better off than at this point last season...

And our managers name ain't Rafa....

C0YS said:

Stats aren't everything but Eriksen got 86% of his passes on target (just for reference Wanyama got 82% on target) and made more successful passes than any other midfielder (in fact almost as many passes as Wanyama and Dier combined).

On tackles Eriksen (shared with Walker) had more successful tackles than any other player on our team, with 3, in comparison Wanyama had 1, Dier had 2.

So erm....

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I fucking love all this stats shit. The main stats that counts are goals, assists and clean sheets. Everyone is so obsessed by stats rather than what their eyes tell them it's hilarious. Eriksen was shocking.

So of these 86% on target what were they, 2 yard backward passes, what about the 14% that weren't? They might have been in dangerous positions and for a better pass or a bit of quality resulted in a goal? These tackles? Did they stop a goal? Did anyone remember his 3 tackles and the positive effect they had on the game? What about the times he missed tackles and bottled it when we were in good postions? Where are these stats?

So erm......

blindingly obvious we need a quality creater in the advanced positions, Alli and Eriksen (who were both woeful today) have their parts to play but neither are of the consistent level of quality required to be better than we are.

No idea why we started with both Dier and Wanyama against this Everton side, we wasted 45 mins in a game we should have won

The champions lost today to a depleted, newly promoted Hull.

We got a point against a feisty, organised Everton.

Perspective anyone?

Francis Gibbs said:

blindingly obvious we need a quality creater in the advanced positions, Alli and Eriksen (who were both woeful today) have their parts to play but neither are of the consistent level of quality required to be better than we are.

No idea why we started with both Dier and Wanyama against this Everton side, we wasted 45 mins in a game we should have won

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We should of won? Come on Everton away is a tough game, especially with a new manager and players trying to impress. Every point in this league will count, i wouldn't be surprised at all if the team that wins the league this year has the lowest points total in the premier league.

Frustrating we couldn't nick it in the second half and have to once again take positives that we have that fighting spirit to come back into a game.

And as others have commented, i feel Lamela should be our middle man behind the stiker. Cleary most in form and i think he could be devastating in that postion.

Stop scape goating Wanyama. It's stupid.

We didn't lose an opening day game. I'll take that.

C0YS said:

Stats aren't everything but Eriksen got 86% of his passes on target (just for reference Wanyama got 82% on target) and made more successful passes than any other midfielder (in fact almost as many passes as Wanyama and Dier combined).

On tackles Eriksen (shared with Walker) had more successful tackles than any other player on our team, with 3, in comparison Wanyama had 1, Dier had 2.
So erm....

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You continue to watch stats and we will watch football. Eriksen was crap no matter which way you want to spin it

Francis Gibbs said:

blindingly obvious we need a quality creater in the advanced positions, Alli and Eriksen (who were both woeful today) have their parts to play but neither are of the consistent level of quality required to be better than we are.

No idea why we started with both Dier and Wanyama against this Everton side, we wasted 45 mins in a game we should have won

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What, like Lamela?

Am always a believer of Lamela in the centre.. He is so clever and unpredictable..

Eriksen out wide is wasting his talents, but when he is not performing, anywhere he plays are just wasting space..

I really hope to see Lamela playing more centrally in the AM3, and if there is no any playmaker coming in to challenge Eriksen's spot, he has to know Lamela can be the one that will push him out of the starting XI.. Cos TBH, I still see Alli/Njie and Son, given a run of games proper, can perform very well with Lamela in the AM3, especially now we have Janssen up there who can hold the ball so exceptionally well.. These flair players can unlock defences IMO..

Nothing wrong with Wanyama today.

Shit shape and shit from established stars.

Bringin up Eriksens stats is laughable.

If you only pass backwards, and never attempt a tackle, your stats will be great.

Every year we fail to prepare for the season. Players in the team with an hour of football to their names.

Fucking Australia....

EnfieldYiddo said:

What, like Lamela?

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Please don't start him off @EnfieldYiddo !

CowInAComa said:

He was shit though wasnt he. Despite the stats.

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He was sub par, yes.

But for me the biggest problem isn't the individual performances of the front four. It was our failure to make space in attacking areas.

I think the failure of this, was partly down to a 5 at the back system which seeks to pin our fullbacks down (which worked so well for West Ham) and partly to do with the failure for our central midfielders to bring the ball forward (I think Toby saw this problem, same with Verts and they tried to move up the pitch a lot more than normal).

Basically in a very defensive set up, the attacking four can move all they like on the final third on the pitch and they will find limited space, this is because defensive players outnumber offensive players and a particularly well drilled team has markers based on position. Wherever a player may moved they will be marked and find little space. Our play relies heavily on overloads of central areas, so a lot of players in a small amount of space who attempt to play thought teams often using high risk maneuvers. For this to be successful players need a bit, not a lot, but a few meters of space. To create this space we normally push our full backs up and in doing stretch the play. The problem is that Everton like West Ham before played a system which essentially served to prevent the fullbacks going forward, and if they do expose them to best possible effect. The other way we create space is by having a player move from deep, this forces defending players to come and block the run and in doing so it frees space for someone else.

I believe we need both these options, and I feel there is a pattern emerging, used by west ham, to counter our fullbacks threat In these games we really need a type who can move defenses from deep, an extra man from deep who can either beat players (like dembele) or who is mobile and moves into spaces opened up by simply when closed down pass the ball, and then move into the space that was opened up by the pressure moving out of position (like Modric is good at).

What I am trying to say is too many people concentrate on individual performances out of context. The problem today was a team problem, and actually a tactical one. This was the major problem. Not just individual performances.

Poch is very demanding of the players to grow and develop.

I think this season poch will also need to grow as manager and add a couple more strings to his bow.

Maske2g said:

Nothing wrong with Wanyama today.

Shit shape and shit from established stars.

Bringin up Eriksens stats is laughable.

If you only pass backwards, and never attempt a tackle, your stats will be great.

Every year we fail to prepare for the season. Players in the team with an hour of football to their names.

Fucking Australia....

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Exactly why I prefer to trust my eyes.