Everton Vs Tottenham: Match Thread

[Vincent30]

Can't help but feel that if we hadn't gone to the other side of the world for preseason we likely wouldn't have been so rusty.

Most teams are rusty first 3 games of the season. Euro's haven't helped much. We didn't lose, a tough place for other teams to move on, let's look at the postiives. It was hardly a loss at home to Sunderland.

 

[danielneeds]

Can't help but feel that if we hadn't gone to the other side of the world for preseason we likely wouldn't have been so rusty.

Of the starting XI today only - Wanyama, Lamela and Eriksen went...

 

[dontsalebale]

But he always runs, infact he ran more than any other player last season. He wasn't good today, but it wasn't for lack of trying. There was just zero space for him to exploit in the first half. The people who call him lazy, remind me of the sorts of people who said the same about Hoddle when he played for England. In short, morons.

I think Poch needs to hold his hand up 2 defensive mids competely stifled our mojo

 

[danielneeds]

I think Poch needs to hold his hand up 2 defensive mids competely stifled our mojo

Maybe he could have gone with a Mason or Winks, but I don't think it would have made loads of difference. Everton's shape was designed to negate our strengths, and we didn't have any answers to it first half. We need to be able to think on our feet more during matches.

 

[Maske2g]

His tackling stats were the best in the squad.

I am not saying he had a good game, he clearly didn't, but to say he never attempted a tackle is actually completely false. He attempted more tackles than any other player, on level terms with Toby, and he won the equal highest amount of tackles level with Walker.

I am not saying Wanyama had a worse game, he didn't. I don't think he played well, but that is beside the point. I used that statistic for comparison. Not because I was trying to prove Eriksen had a good game, but rather I was demonstrating that the assumptions made in the post I replied to where statistically incorrect. They were an exaggeration, and also peddled the myth that he didn't/doesn't tackle.

Have you got the stat showing how many he avoided?

No?

Thought not

 

[dontsalebale]

Maybe he could have gone with a Mason or Winks, but I don't think it would have made loads of difference. Everton's shape was designed to negate our strengths, and we didn't have any answers to it first half. We need to be able to think on our feet more during matches.

Didnt see first half. Two defensive mids is a massive change. Not something we have tried before and hopefully not again any time soon.

 

[Maske2g]

Yeah cause the height of a player determines how good he is

He should not be making Vertongen struggle in the air. Vertongen had a 50 pence piece on his forehead today

 

[StartingPrice]

Well played!! Haha

I know what you meant, however, and think you may be right - the team who wins the BPL this season may well have the lowest points total of any BPL winning team. It is going to be incredibly competitive IMHO, not just among the teams tipped to challenge at top, and there is certainly scope for points being dropped all over the shop.

And congratulations on having a sense of humour, too

 

[C0YS]

But you don't see the other arguement, why did he make 3 tackles, were these on occassions when he had a poor touch or a misplace pass and had to win it back etc, or was it in a weak one on one in the corner of the pitch that meant nothing, i could give thousands of examples.

From watching the actual game and not going back through all this stats rubbish, did any of these 3 tackles result in us pressing the oppostion and getting a goal or a clear cut chance? No!!! So what use is it for our AM to make 3 tackles when they are achieving very little. He is there to press the oppostion into mistakes, to create goals and to score them. Today he failed spectacularly in all three areas.

In the final third today he was awful, slow in making decisions, losing the ball in key attacks and genrally zero threat. You do understand that stats don't paint the whole picture right? Didn't Leon Britton at Swansea go through a period of having better pass completion than the likes of Xavi and Iniesta.... come on, the game is so much more than that.

I think you missed my argument. I was not making a comment on Eriksen's play, I was not judging how well he played, I was simply responding to a comment which said that 80 percent of eriksens passes missed the target and he didn't make any tackles. I was trying to say that was not true, and nothing more.

I was not making a judgment of stats I was passing them on. Obviously the game is so much more than that. Zokora was statistically a great player for example, but he run around like a headless chicken.

 

[dontsalebale]

Have you got the stat showing how many he avoided?

No?

Thought not

All this hate for Eriksen is nonsensical. He reminds me of Modric who never received the love from spurs fans until he was gone. He is irreplaceable.

 

[C0YS]

Have you got the stat showing how many he avoided?

No?

Thought not

Irrelevant to my point. Probably he avoided to many. Eriksen was the second worst player on the pitch after Kane. I was responding to claims that eriksen made no tackles. He did make tackles, he may of avoided 7978990 tackles. If someone wrote on here 'Eriksen didn't avoid a single tackle' and there were stats showing that I'd show them that. It was a response to people saying things that were not true, nothing more nothing less.

 

[Maske2g]

Is your picture next to pedantic in the collins?

 

[SargeantMeatCurtains]

I see you're getting your negativity in at the earliest opportunity.

You clearly don't know me if you think i'm one of the negative posters.

 

[Vincent30]

All this hate for Eriksen is nonsensical. He reminds me of Modric who never received the love from spurs fans until he was gone. He is irreplaceable.

What are you talking about? No one rated Modric? Are you mad.... most thought he was a fantastic player for us. He was head and shoulders above Eriksen.

 

[scottlag10]

In the first half we looked poor but was it because they looked so good? In the second half we looked better but was it because their performance dropped off or that 'plan B' worked? The game confirmed to me what I have believed for a long time, we desperately need a CM playmaker as well as Dembele. All of our flair players operate in the final third and if we don't get service to them we look totally ineffective, especially if our opponents block our full backs from getting forward.
IMO we will not be in the mix for the title this season unless we can address this issue.

 

[Hercules]

All this hate for Eriksen is nonsensical. He reminds me of Modric who never received the love from spurs fans until he was gone. He is irreplaceable.

Now steady on.

 

[C0YS]

I fucking love all this stats shit. The main stats that counts are goals, assists and clean sheets. Everyone is so obsessed by stats rather than what their eyes tell them it's hilarious. Eriksen was shocking.

So of these 86% on target what were they, 2 yard backward passes, what about the 14% that weren't? They might have been in dangerous positions and for a better pass or a bit of quality resulted in a goal? These tackles? Did they stop a goal? Did anyone remember his 3 tackles and the positive effect they had on the game? What about the times he missed tackles and bottled it when we were in good postions? Where are these stats?

So erm......

dont disagree with a word you've said. My comment was aimed at people saying things that were wrong, that eriksen misplaced a lot of passes, he didn't, and that he didn't tackle, he did. It was more a comment against people saying things without thinking rather than saying 'stats are great'.

 

[dontsalebale]

What are you talking about? No one rated Modric? Are you mad.... most thought he was a fantastic player for us. He was head and shoulders above Eriksen.

Think your memory is playing tricks on you old chap. Most people didnt get the fact that he was a tempo setter until his last season before that he was vastly under appreciated. The same senario applies Eriksen

 

[SugarRay]

All this hate for Eriksen is nonsensical. He reminds me of Modric who never received the love from spurs fans until he was gone. He is irreplaceable.

Modric was adored for a season or two. His first season was up and down and he was misused. His last season had the 'trying to join Chelsea' cloud hanging over him

 

[spursram]

All this hate for Eriksen is nonsensical. He reminds me of Modric who never received the love from spurs fans until he was gone. He is irreplaceable.

I gave you a disagree, which I don't like doing, because you made 3 statements. The first I can sympathise with but not the other 2. To say Eriksen is irreplaceable is an injustice to those that have earned that accolade over the years.