Ratings vs Southampton

Despite some moaning about me not giving others a chance to do this thread, I see that no one has, despite the match ending hours ago. It seems that they would rather shut up than put up.

Ah man, you never give anyone a chance, I was literally just about to post this thread...


I'll copy it below

Lloris needs a slap for some of that distribution.

Walker was below par, giving the ball away sloppily a few times and fortunate not to be dispossessed in dangerous areas. Decent linking with Sissoko.

Dier was decent, showed good pace when tracking and brought the ball out well.

Vertonghen was flat footed early on but improved as the game went on.

Rose was an absolute dynamo, great in both directions, lovely assist and unlucky not to score himself.

Wanyama started sloppy but improved and proceeddd to dominate. Unlucky not to score.

Dembele likewise was poor early on, sluggish even, but he improved and dominated.

Sissoko started off dreadfully, looked to have reverted, but grew into the game and really played more and intelligently than I thought him capable of.

Alli was great, Gerrardesque. The way he drove us forward, always tried something positive with the ball, took responsibility for possession under pressure, this was his best performance of the season. Two lovely goals.

Eriksen day don't stand out but his speed of thought and intelligent usage of the ball was crucial to us camping in their half. Unlucky not to score.

Kane was not great but he scored a beautiful header (like old Gilzean clips I've seen) and was genuinely unlucky with the penalty miss.

Son was not much involved but took his goal beautifully to wrap up the points.

Winks came on to add some much needed composure which he did diligently.

Janssen saw the ball ricochet off him once.

Lloris 5
Walker 7
Dier 7
Verts 7
Rose 8
Dembele 7
Wanyama 7
Sissoko 7
Alli 7
Eriksen 7.5
Kane 6.5

Son 7
Winks net
Janssen net

Bulletspur said:

Despite some moaning about me not giving others a chance to do this thread, I see that no one has, despite the match ending hours ago. It seems that they would rather shut up than put up.

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Harsh bastard, I would have waited a week before doing it

I thought Alli was MOTM, good finishing, and full of running, he rarely gave the ball away either. Great performance

Lloris - 6.5 - Didn't have much to do, but his distribution at times was dodgy, if their player was better at finishing he would have scored, off the hook there Hugo but we still love you!

Walker - 7.5 - Full of running up and down the flank, hard in the tackle, the downside he got booked and got away with a few dodgy moments

Vertonghen - 7 - Had a shaky ten minutes, Virgil out-jumped him for the goal, silly booking in the last ten minutes to be suspended, other than that solid

Dier - 7 - Done well at the ball at his feet, kept it simple for the most part, made himself available well second half

Rose - 9 - Another great game, full of running and energy, harsh to be booked, looked good and an assist

Sissoko - 8 - Always looks awkward when he plays, but he's direct and got another assist, he kept it simple for the most part which I liked.

Wanyama - 7 - Great strength at times, a few sloppy passes but helped boss the midfield

Dembele - 7 - Decent performance like Wanyama, looked tired later on

Eriksen - 8 - Always looking to play a forwards ball, good movement too, at last an assist from a corner, I was in shock when it met Kane's head

Alli - 9.5 - Loads of energy, some good pressing, movement and passing was better, his first touch improved a lot this game. The header was excellent and opening his body up for the second was great too, that's more of the same as last season, keep it up Dele

Kane - 7.5 - Mixed bag, Virgil won a lot of headers against him and Fonte was into him quick, great goal though which changed the game, unlucky with the divot with the penalty but no big deal

Son - 8 - Came on, caused problems, full of running, not only was his goal excellent but that first touch was even better, good lad

Winks - 7 - Kept it simple, didn't let the game phase him, decent


All round decent display, great away win

I think that was a tough game for 20 minutes, Southampton were doing all the right things, were tactically set up with good balance to them, got the early gift, and looked to have our measure, the 433 with two lively wide attackers working up and down and their full backs giving ours a torrid time, especially Bertrand, things weren't looking too promising. Then Eriksen started dropping, getting on the ball, he was everywhere that first half, and this got us a foothold (this is his first 45 touch map:




This was a player playing as an ACM.

I know this will just pile petrol on the "Eriksen can do no wrong in BC's eyes" fire, but IMO he was the player that got us, first a foothold and then provided the initiative spark, in getting us back on top of this game. I just do not get people watching him first half and moaning about him. I thought, stupid back flick to Kane that wasted a good situation aside, he was outstanding. He somehow manages to see as much ball as our CM's whilst still providing the creative spark, often playing that pass before the pass, making the right decision when and where to move it, where others bumble and dither, turn the wrong way, choose the wrong ball that slows everything or moves us backwards, as well as seeing shitloads of the ball, he set up goals, nearly scored and generally provided the rudder off which all things hubbed.

I also don't really get how Wanyama was getting shit on the match thread either. He seemed to be doing the deeper role, stepping back, splitting CB's, letting Dembele get forward, but also getting forward when possible and pivoting well.

I thought a couple of really sloppy passes aside, Dembele was pretty decent as well, played a good ball for Sissoko in the build up to the equaliser, but I still would have rather we started Winks, either as well asin a 433, or instead of Dembele.

Rose's assist aside, I didn't think either of our full backs were good tonight, with Puel's set up of 433 with Boufal and Redmond ahead of the excellent Soares and Bertrand they weren't allowed to be and both were rattled, especially Walker who had a poor game with and without the ball.

But they weren't the worst offenders. Alli was at least back to his fumbling productiveness of last season, which is an improvement on the early part of the season, Kane though, was really bad. A shadow of the player he can be. This was like watching Defoe in a Teutonic body. He was as insipid and uninvolved as I've ever seen him. And worryingly he's been a shadow of the best Kane for a while now.

Despite the rather fortuitous assist via Redmond's arse, I thought Sissoko was pretty poor first half, but I do think he was much better second half, and I just did not understand subbing him off and leaving Alli and Kane out there. I then didn't understand when we are trying to close a game out, taking Dembele off for Winks, why not take one of the forward players off and sure things up ? There was a really horrible spell where, despite having the extra man we seemed to be losing control. But in the end I guess Poch will see the changes as vindicated as Alli and Son score and we end up comfortable winners.

It was pleasing the way we turned an early set back around, but there were worrying phases in this game, and Poch's post match suggested he felt the same. Personally I think his decisions contributed to that.

Individual

Lloris - Really poor, lucky he didn't cost us a couple of goals tonight.

Walker - Tough night against a very lively left side, not good.

Dier - Pretty decent I thought.

Vertonghen - Stupid booking, apart from that pretty good, showing a nasty streak at times as well. Nice.

Rose - Couple of great moments but some poor stuff too.

Wanyama - I thought he had a good game.

Dembele - He had some ropey moments but was generally good.

Sissoko - Generally poor first half, I thought he had his best 45 minutes in a Spurs shirt second half and shouldn't have been hooked ahead of others as he was carrying a threat.

Eriksen - Comfortably MOTM. Got hold of this game and got us back ticking. Saw shitloads of ball, two assists, should have had another for Rose, unlucky not to score and hit a beautiful pass, cleverly making use of Romeu's head to guide it into the path of Rose (at least I think that what @guiltyparty told me). Was the metronomic heart of ur performance tonight.

Alli - Took his goals really well, not so great the rest of the time.

Kane - Unlucky with the pen, not his fault, took his goal really well but apart from that, really, really poor. Insipid and flakey and really not what I expect from him, even on a bad day.

Bulletspur said:

Despite some moaning about me not giving others a chance to do this thread, I see that no one has, despite the match ending hours ago. It seems that they would rather shut up than put up.

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Lol why would some bitch about that?

Wha wha bulletspur always starts thread before me and puts a poll and everything, are some people on here 12 years old or something?

Carry on the good work with your ratings threads mate and fuck da haters

Dele 16 goals, 11 assists in 50 Prem games......superb

Sissoko.

nobody was poor after the first 20 minutes.

Alli, Wanyama and Rose were very good.

Everyone else was ok.

no complaints really.

DCSPUR said:

Dele 16 goals, 11 assists in 50 Prem games......superb

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Impressive stats for someone, who supposedly, bumbles their way through most of the games they play!

Bulletspur said:

Despite some moaning about me not giving others a chance to do this thread, I see that no one has, despite the match ending hours ago. It seems that they would rather shut up than put up.

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To be fair the amount of games you've clearly had it written and sitting waiting to hit the "post" button, followed by the opening comment being "will post ratings later"...

Alli definitely MOTM for me, producing when it matters. I thought his movement was great tonight.

Sissoko was also very good, hope some now give the guy the time he deserves to show us what he can do.

Also thought Rose was very good, the energy levels were incredible this evening.

Eriksen obviously influential, should of buried that chance imo though, but the guy was at the heart of our control.

I gave BringBack_leGin a winner rating just for this comment

Lloris needs a slap for some of that distribution.

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I think Wanyama was MOM. I dont understand why he is always under-rated in here. He doesn't pass the ball forward they say. He doesnt have skills they say. He goes for safe and easy passes they say. He makes a lot of mistakes they say.

He's nothing like that! In fact he is one of the most composed and dare i say skilful ppayers in the team. His short and crisp forward passes are very good. Rarely loses possession, and yeah he does have his mistakes, but who doesnt?

Last night he bossed the game from midfield, almost scored a screamer, and almost scored a messi-like goal as well.

I think some people are frustrated that he has taken over Dier's role in DCM, and when we dont play well, people remember who was playing where last season when we flourished, and Wanyama becomes the obvious target as an excuse for us not producing last year's performances.

Carry on Vic. My MOTM last night.

yusrisafri said:

I think Wanyama was MOM. I dont understand why he is always under-rated in here. He doesn't pass the ball forward they say. He doesnt have skills they say. He goes for safe and easy passes they say. He makes a lot of mistakes they say.

He's nothing like that! In fact he is one of the most composed and dare i say skilful ppayers in the team. His short and crisp forward passes are very good. Rarely loses possession, and yeah he does have his mistakes, but who doesnt?

Last night he bossed the game from midfield, almost scored a screamer, and almost scored a messi-like goal as well.

I think some people are frustrated that he has taken over Dier's role in DCM, and when we dont play well, people remember who was playing where last season when we flourished, and Wanyama becomes the obvious target as an excuse for us not producing last year's performances.

Carry on Vic. My MOTM last night.

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3rd best passing accuracy on the season (88%) and far and way the most successful passes completed due to Dembele's absences. He really has been the metronome for us for the first half of the season.

Bus-Conductor said:

I think that was a tough game for 20 minutes, Southampton were doing all the right things, were tactically set up with good balance to them, got the early gift, and looked to have our measure, the 433 with two lively wide attackers working up and down and their full backs giving ours a torrid time, especially Bertrand, things weren't looking too promising. Then Eriksen started dropping, getting on the ball, he was everywhere that first half, and this got us a foothold (this is his first 45 touch map


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This was a player playing as an ACM.

I know this will just pile petrol on the "Eriksen can do no wrong in BC's eyes" fire, but IMO he was the player that got us, first a foothold and then provided the initiative spark, in getting us back on top of this game. I just do not get people watching him first half and moaning about him. I thought, stupid back flick to Kane that wasted a good situation aside, he was outstanding. He somehow manages to see as much ball as our CM's whilst still providing the creative spark, often playing that pass before the pass, making the right decision when and where to move it, where others bumble and dither, turn the wrong way, choose the wrong ball that slows everything or moves us backwards, as well as seeing shitloads of the ball, he set up goals, nearly scored and generally provided the rudder off which all things hubbed.

I also don't really get how Wanyama was getting shit on the match thread either. He seemed to be doing the deeper role, stepping back, splitting CB's, letting Dembele get forward, but also getting forward when possible and pivoting well.

I thought a couple of really sloppy passes aside, Dembele was pretty decent as well, played a good ball for Sissoko in the build up to the equaliser, but I still would have rather we started Winks, either as well asin a 433, or instead of Dembele.

Rose's assist aside, I didn't think either of our full backs were good tonight, with Puel's set up of 433 with Boufal and Redmond ahead of the excellent Soares and Bertrand they weren't allowed to be and both were rattled, especially Walker who had a poor game with and without the ball.

But they weren't the worst offenders. Alli was at least back to his fumbling productiveness of last season, Kane was really bad. A shadow of the player he can be. This was like watching Defoe in a Teutonic body. He was as insipid and uninvolved as I've ever seen him. And worryingly he's been a shadow of the best Kane for a while now.

Despite the rather fortuitous assist via Redmond's arse, I thought Sissoko was pretty poor first half, but I do think he was much better second half, and I just did not understand subbing him off and leaving Alli and Kane out there. I then didn't understand when we are trying to close a game out, taking Dembele off for Winks, why not take one of the forward players off and sure things up ? There was a really horrible spell where, despite having the extra man we seemed to be losing control. But in the end I guess Poch will see the changes as vindicated as Alli and Son score and we end up comfortable winners.

It was pleasing the way we turned an early set back around, but there were worrying phases in this game, and Poch's post match suggested he felt the same. Personally I think his decisions contributed to that.

Individual

Lloris - Really poor, lucky he didn't cost us a couple of goals tonight.

Walker - Tough night against a very lively left side, not good.

Dier - Pretty decent I thought.

Vertonghen - Stupid booking, apart from that pretty good, showing a nasty streak at times as well. Nice.

Rose - Couple of great moments but some poor stuff too.

Wanyama - I thought he had a good game.

Dembele - He had some ropey moments but was generally good.

Sissoko - Generally poor first half, I thought he had his best 45 minutes in a Spurs shirt second half and shouldn't have been hooked ahead of others as he was carrying a threat.

Eriksen - Comfortably MOTM. Got hold of this game and got us back ticking. Saw shitloads of ball, two assists, should have had another for Rose, unlucky not to score and hit a beautiful pass, cleverly making use of Romeu's head to guide it into the path of Rose (at least I think that what @guiltyparty told me). Was the metronomic heart of ur performance tonight.

Alli - Took his goals really well, not so great the rest of the time.

Kane - Unlucky with the pen, not his fault, took his goal really well but apart from that, really, really poor. Insipid and flakey and really not what I expect from him, even on a bad day.

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Sort it out BC, can't view the attachment on my trumpet.

Was a good game to go to although we didn't celebrate the first two goals properly as Alli's we couldn't be sure straightaway if it'd gone in and Kane's took us by surprise.

I thought we were sloppy and a bit complacent after they went down to 10 men, only when the third went in was it comfortable and that was with 5 minutes left.

I agree completely on the bumble twins btw - as they showed tonight they're also capable of changing games by banging in goals or doing something sublime (I appreciate you acknowledge this already). Alli in his defence doesn't hide from the ball and his movement off it to offer himself to the player in possession is amongst the best we've got - his mentality is rare, not just for players his age and it's his biggest asset because technically he's capable of both ends of the spectrum and this season it's been at the wrong end too often. Son also has huge redeeming features, in his energy and pace and although his step over is ALWAYS the same he does it well. Good finisher too and good mentality. One day they'll both simultaneously have non bumbling blinders and we'll beat someone 8 0.

Eriksen is a class act of composure, vision, intelligence and technical ability and I'd like to see Winks more as he's on the same pass and move wavelength.
Some of our players (full backs especially guilty) run the ball 20 yards in their own half instead of playing the pass 20 yards quickly and then making the run off the ball. That said I liked the fact we popped the ball about around their box more tonight first half, didn't panic, and came back round the pitch to start again if the initial opening was closed down. Playing this way creates psychological pressure on the opposition and openings appear, especially wide - all the best teams over the years have shown this patience when the bus is parked and thankfully despite the screaming twat behind me tonight telling them to 'get it in there' every 10 seconds they couldn't hear him and didn't.

I think we'll be right in the race until the end and we've not hit our peak yet - the second half of the season looks easier on paper than the first so with some luck on the injury front we could displace any of Arsenal, Liverpool or City in the top 4.

Bus-Conductor said:

I think that was a tough game for 20 minutes, Southampton were doing all the right things, were tactically set up with good balance to them, got the early gift, and looked to have our measure, the 433 with two lively wide attackers working up and down and their full backs giving ours a torrid time, especially Bertrand, things weren't looking too promising. Then Eriksen started dropping, getting on the ball, he was everywhere that first half, and this got us a foothold (this is his first 45 touch map


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This was a player playing as an ACM.

I know this will just pile petrol on the "Eriksen can do no wrong in BC's eyes" fire, but IMO he was the player that got us, first a foothold and then provided the initiative spark, in getting us back on top of this game. I just do not get people watching him first half and moaning about him. I thought, stupid back flick to Kane that wasted a good situation aside, he was outstanding. He somehow manages to see as much ball as our CM's whilst still providing the creative spark, often playing that pass before the pass, making the right decision when and where to move it, where others bumble and dither, turn the wrong way, choose the wrong ball that slows everything or moves us backwards, as well as seeing shitloads of the ball, he set up goals, nearly scored and generally provided the rudder off which all things hubbed.

I also don't really get how Wanyama was getting shit on the match thread either. He seemed to be doing the deeper role, stepping back, splitting CB's, letting Dembele get forward, but also getting forward when possible and pivoting well.

I thought a couple of really sloppy passes aside, Dembele was pretty decent as well, played a good ball for Sissoko in the build up to the equaliser, but I still would have rather we started Winks, either as well asin a 433, or instead of Dembele.

Rose's assist aside, I didn't think either of our full backs were good tonight, with Puel's set up of 433 with Boufal and Redmond ahead of the excellent Soares and Bertrand they weren't allowed to be and both were rattled, especially Walker who had a poor game with and without the ball.

But they weren't the worst offenders. Alli was at least back to his fumbling productiveness of last season, Kane was really bad. A shadow of the player he can be. This was like watching Defoe in a Teutonic body. He was as insipid and uninvolved as I've ever seen him. And worryingly he's been a shadow of the best Kane for a while now.

Despite the rather fortuitous assist via Redmond's arse, I thought Sissoko was pretty poor first half, but I do think he was much better second half, and I just did not understand subbing him off and leaving Alli and Kane out there. I then didn't understand when we are trying to close a game out, taking Dembele off for Winks, why not take one of the forward players off and sure things up ? There was a really horrible spell where, despite having the extra man we seemed to be losing control. But in the end I guess Poch will see the changes as vindicated as Alli and Son score and we end up comfortable winners.

It was pleasing the way we turned an early set back around, but there were worrying phases in this game, and Poch's post match suggested he felt the same. Personally I think his decisions contributed to that.

Individual

Lloris - Really poor, lucky he didn't cost us a couple of goals tonight.

Walker - Tough night against a very lively left side, not good.

Dier - Pretty decent I thought.

Vertonghen - Stupid booking, apart from that pretty good, showing a nasty streak at times as well. Nice.

Rose - Couple of great moments but some poor stuff too.

Wanyama - I thought he had a good game.

Dembele - He had some ropey moments but was generally good.

Sissoko - Generally poor first half, I thought he had his best 45 minutes in a Spurs shirt second half and shouldn't have been hooked ahead of others as he was carrying a threat.

Eriksen - Comfortably MOTM. Got hold of this game and got us back ticking. Saw shitloads of ball, two assists, should have had another for Rose, unlucky not to score and hit a beautiful pass, cleverly making use of Romeu's head to guide it into the path of Rose (at least I think that what @guiltyparty told me). Was the metronomic heart of ur performance tonight.

Alli - Took his goals really well, not so great the rest of the time.

Kane - Unlucky with the pen, not his fault, took his goal really well but apart from that, really, really poor. Insipid and flakey and really not what I expect from him, even on a bad day.

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Fuck, I so want to give you a winner rating for this because I agree with every single word you wrote about Eriksen, but then I completely disagree on your Alli appraisal.

A meager 'like' will have to do.

Eriksen was the MotM in this by an absolute fucking mile. No one even came close to matching his performance.

Lloris - 5: No chance with the goal and nothing to do besides but his distribution gave us a few nervous moments.

Walker - 7: Solid. Defended well.

Dier - 7: Untroubled.

Vertonghen - 6: Completely lost Van Dijk for the goal and a few other times from set pieces.

Rose - 8: That was representative of what is becoming a typical Rose performance. Defended well and was excellent going forward. His assist was brilliant.

Dembele - 6: He wasn't bad, but not particularly effective either.

Wanyama - 7: Played his role well and used the ball ok.

Sissoko - 7: Another positive performance from a player who looks like he is starting to feel comfortable in his role and in the team.

Eriksen - 9.9999: Literally did everything but score so misses out on the 10. When we were under the koch early it was Eriksen that dropped deep and put a foot on the ball to calm us down and help us retain a bit of possession. He was a solitary, calming, composed presence in a storm of Southampton pressure, but also willing to do his share of the defensive duties and win the ball. When we started to get on top through his influence, he started to push further forward and was his usual creative, brilliant self. During this period of the game it seemed like he was everywhere, the amount of ground he covered and work he put in was awe-inspiring. It was just too bad he hit the bar and didn't score, if he had have it would have been one of the most complete performances from a Spurs player we've seen in a long time. It might be just that, anyway.

Alli - 9: He might be inconsistent from game to game, but that is what he is capable of at his very best. His movement in advanced areas is world class, the opposition just can't get near him and he used the ball well when he was on it. It was his movement, flair and brilliance, along with Eriksen, that dragged us back into the game when they were well on top. He is mercurial, niggly, at times frustrating but most of all the boy is simply brilliant. A special footballer and we should be forever thankful that he is ours.

Kane - 7: Took his goal well and was unlucky with the penalty, but barely did a thing aside from those two contributions.

Son - 7: Was lively and produced an excellent finish.

Winks - NET

Janseen - NET

Agree with @Bus-Conductor. Eriksen my MOTM by a mile. Yet get shitted on in every match thread.
Also in our full backs. Guess the people saying Rose was MOTM only watched the last 15 minutes, which we people tend to remember the latest we saw. Rose was very good the last 15 minutes but really not that good before Southampton had nothing to play for.
Would like to see Dier in CM soon as well he is classes above Wanyama when it comes to passing.