Tom Carroll

npearl4spurs · Jan 11, 2017

DIEHARD said:
10m and I'd piggy back him there

Immediately thought of this when you said it, but I'm not sure how close in looks you are to Sean Astin

Trees · Jan 11, 2017

bubble07 said:
He needs to go for his own sake

Hope they stay up for his sake. His style much more suited to Premier than Championship.

Larryjanta · Jan 11, 2017

Will miss him but he's so far down the pecking order that it's best for everyone if he leaves. In any of our formations he's probably 5th/6th choice in any position he can play

Monkey boy · Jan 11, 2017

Imagine the lift this signing is going to give those Swansea players :cautious:

Cornpattbuck · Jan 11, 2017

Pellshek said:
Players like Carroll - and indeed Winks - are judged by fans slightly differently to other players.

For some reason, with small, nippy, ball-playing midfielders, we tend to see the most idealised version of that kind of player in our mind's eye, and project that idealisation onto the actual player.

By contrast, we don't look at a bog-standard League 2 hard man and think he's Roy Keane or Patrick Viera. We don't look at a fast, but low-skill semi-pro winger and think he's Bale or Ribery.

And yet, with the buzzy, busy, passy little midfielder, we seem to very quickly think of him as a mini-Modric or Silva or Totti. As if of course that's the level he'll reach just because he's that style of player.

I think Carroll is a good example of this. A talented, good player who's probably PL quality, but who's not really shown himself the same as our most idealised vision of him.

We need to be careful not to do this with Winks. If we're looking a bit stodgy in midfield, people call for Winks to come on, because in their minds' eye they imagine metronomic passing, clever little balls down the channels, fast little accelerations/dribbles that break the line. Well, sure, if the guy is Modric or Scholes that might happen, but if he's a 20 year old who's just broken into the first team, it should not be expected. It may happen, but as we see with Carroll, it's not guaranteed.

Very different though, as Winks is a tenacious little bastard where as Carroll, as talented as I think he is, never shook off 'rabbit in the headlights mode' in some aspects of his game. Hope he does well though, wherever he goes.

danielneeds · Jan 11, 2017

Cornpattbuck said:
Very different though, as Winks is a tenacious little bastard where as Carroll, as talented as I think he is, never shook off 'rabbit in the headlights mode' in some aspects of his game. Hope he does well though, wherever he goes.

There's two kinds of bravery in football - there's the kind where you get stuck in and don't shy away from physical challenges, and the less appreciated bravery, which is looking to get on the ball when marked, and play difficult passes. Winks has both and Carroll has shown little of either.

doctor stefan Freud · Jan 11, 2017

danielneeds said:
There's two kinds of bravery in football - there's the kind where you get stuck in and don't shy away from physical challenges, and the less appreciated bravery, which is looking to get on the ball when marked,and play difficult passes. Winks has both and Carroll has shown little of either.

This needs a Tuco rating

mw828 · Jan 12, 2017

I'll be interested if the swansea move comes off...they've had several different managers now and just brought in a new analytics guy...yet interest in carroll has always been there (evidence i'm using is that he was loaned there and then bradley said they were interested, but there could be more i'm forgetting). who is calling the shots on transfers then? jenkins?

wirE · Jan 12, 2017

Still can't figure out how Carroll dodged Poch and Levy's radar during the summer window. Maybe he went underground and change his cellphone number? :LOL:

Carroll haven't had any chances to prove his worth this season. Didn't he get some minutes during a cup match? I've always had high hopes for him, but maybe a switch to Swansea is the right thing to do

Paq · Jan 12, 2017

Carroll is a Spurs lad and is amongst Kane's best friends. As with Mason, for example, he's not on a huge wage, isn't agitating for a move or increased playing time and is happy to be part of a squad. There have been good reasons to keep him around.

Unfortunately (if you're Carroll), we've now improved to such a degree that his playing time has been, and will continue to be, virtually non-existent. It's in everyone's best interests that he moves on and tries to have a proper career in the game. In today's market, anything circa £9/10m is a good deal imo as he's a talented lad but hasn't really achieved anything yet (at the age of 25).

We can wish him well and give him a good reception should he ever return to [insert newly sponsored ground name here].

Danners9 · Jan 12, 2017

mw828 said:
I'll be interested if the swansea move comes off...they've had several different managers now and just brought in a new analytics guy...yet interest in carroll has always been there (evidence i'm using is that he was loaned there and then bradley said they were interested, but there could be more i'm forgetting). who is calling the shots on transfers then? jenkins?

has to be someone who has constantly been there. They will also want a replacement for Rangel and Britton, both 34, so I guess that is Carroll as he plays the neat and tidy game they want in midfield and has already been at the club.

Shadydan · Jan 12, 2017

wirE said:
Still can't figure out how Carroll dodged Poch and Levy's radar during the summer window. Maybe he went underground and change his cellphone number?
Carroll haven't had any chances to prove his worth this season. Didn't he get some minutes during a cup match? I've always had high hopes for him, but maybe a switch to Swansea is the right thing to do

Levy handed him a new contract in the summer, they probably sat him down and told him you're not going to play that much but if you sign a new deal we'll flog you in Jan it will ensure we get more money for you whilst you get paid a bit more which makes sense.

wirE · Jan 12, 2017

Shadydan said:
Levy handed him a new contract in the summer, they probably sat him down and told him you're not going to play that much but if you sign a new deal we'll flog you in Jan it will ensure we get more money for you whilst you get paid a bit more which makes sense.

A reasonable cause. I agree

SEANSPURS1975 · Jan 12, 2017

Just cannot see why Swansea would buy Carroll or any other Premier League team for that matter. Rumours of £5-£10m are absurd. We'd be lucky to get a couple million from a Championship/League 1 team. The simple fact is he's not good enough for us needs to move on asap for the sake of his career.

Everlasting Seconds · Jan 12, 2017

SEANSPURS1975 said:
Just cannot see why Swansea would buy Carroll or any other Premier League team for that matter. Rumours of £5-£10m are absurd. We'd be lucky to get a couple million from a Championship/League 1 team. The simple fact is he's not good enough for us needs to move on asap for the sake of his career.

He is perfect fit for a ball-moving, head-above-water, mid-to-low table PL team.

Shadydan · Jan 12, 2017

SEANSPURS1975 said:
Just cannot see why Swansea would buy Carroll or any other Premier League team for that matter. Rumours of £5-£10m are absurd. We'd be lucky to get a couple million from a Championship/League 1 team. The simple fact is he's not good enough for us needs to move on asap for the sake of his career.

You haven't been paying attention to the market have you.

Trix · Jan 12, 2017

A few interested clubs, dragging his feet a bit, but think he will go.

dondo · Jan 12, 2017

wirE said:
Still can't figure out how Carroll dodged Poch and Levy's radar during the summer window. Maybe he went underground and change his cellphone number?
Carroll haven't had any chances to prove his worth this season. Didn't he get some minutes during a cup match? I've always had high hopes for him, but maybe a switch to Swansea is the right thing to do

He played vs gillingham in the cup and was very good imo.
Good tidy little player but needs a run of games in a good footballing team in the championship or lower premiership and there are not many about tbh. Bournemouth under Howe could be a good move for him but I'm not sure if they would be interested

rawhide · Jan 12, 2017

Monkey boy said:
Imagine the lift this signing is going to give those Swansea players

Does Tom own a minibus?

RomanzoCriminale · Jan 12, 2017

panoma said:
The Championship is about his level anyways so don't really see any problems with this. Never been good in any senior match he's played, and he got plenty of opportunities.

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