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  • Lloris

    Votes: 1 0.3%

  • Toby

    Votes: 1 0.3%

  • Sanchez

    Votes: 3 0.9%

  • Verts

    Votes: 74 21.4%

  • Aurier

    Votes: 6 1.7%

  • Dier

    Votes: 3 0.9%

  • Sissoko

    Votes: 10 2.9%

  • Davies

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Eriksen

    Votes: 55 15.9%

  • Dele

    Votes: 6 1.7%

  • Kane

    Votes: 183 52.9%

  • Winks

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Trippier

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Llorente

    Votes: 4 1.2%
  • Total voters
    346
pennywise

pennywise

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danielneeds said:
Can anyone who was at Wembley on Tuesday recall how much better balanced and linked up the midfield was with Winks starting?
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Thought he was really poor against Barnsley, difficult to comment on the overall balance in a game like that, but far less dynamic than we know him, clearly lacked behind physically and mistimed quite a few basic passes. Most of the match reviews have been kinder to him, but imo made it clear why Poch hasn't been starting him this season.
 
danielneeds

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pennywise said:
Thought he was really poor against Barnsley, difficult to comment on the overall balance in a game like that, but far less dynamic than we know him, clearly lacked behind physically and mistimed quite a few basic passes. Most of the match reviews have been kinder to him, but I think it was made very clear why Poch hasn't been starting him this season.
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I know he's searching for fitness, but I've always been more impressed with Winks as an impact finisher of matches than when he starts at the moment. When the other team is a bit more tired, and he can use his energy, get about and get on the ball, he's good. When he's asked to set a tempo on the hurley-burly on the PL he's not quite there at the moment. A learning curve for him though.
 
fortworthspur

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Poch obviously trusts Sissoko more than Winks at this point, with Dembele and Wanyama out. As disappointing as Sissoko has been I appreciate his willingness to be a squad player and slot in where needed.
 
DaleMurphy

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Alli is a fucking starter and anyone who wants him dropped is fucking mad. Yeah he fucks around sometimes but when u need a goal who better are we gonna bring on?
 
mpickard2087

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I can half see what BC is saying about the opening goal. It wasn't the easiest pass/cross in the world when you saw the side on replay as it had to be played with a little pace to beat the defender, but, and I'm not saying it should be criticised, there wasn't much sympathy on it in the end - absolutely leathered at head height. It was actually a bloody good header by Kane. Lets focus on that bit :)
 
danielneeds

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mpickard2087 said:
I can half see what BC is saying about the opening goal. It wasn't the easiest pass/cross in the world when you saw the side on replay as it had to be played with a little pace to beat the defender, but, and I'm not saying it should be criticised, there wasn't much sympathy on it in the end - absolutely leathered at head height. It was actually a bloody good header by Kane. Lets focus on that bit :)
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Only BC could find a way to criticise Alli/DIer/Walker for giving the "wrong type" of assist.
 
Phomesy

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guiltyparty said:
Despite the fact that numerous people watched the game and think the same thing?

The level of patronising going on is quite unbelievable in this place. Because someone has a different opinion to you doesn't mean they're wrong. Get over yourself
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To accuse a player of being lazy is a big fucking deal. Dele Alli was a lot of things today but "lazy" wasn't one of them.

If he were lazy don't you think the first people to notice and do something about it would the fucking coaching staff?

How about you read some of the comments about a kid with a startling record who made two goals today and ran his fucking heart out - and then reflect on your accusations of "patronising".

He had some poor touches; messed up some good positions - but when we went down to 10 men Poch had the trust in him to put in a shift which he did. So, no, I'm afraid I don't agree Dele was lazy today. In fact I think its stupid and lazy accusation to level in the first place. Which is why, for the first time ever here, I've gone into bat for Dele. The reaction to his game is fucking insane.
 
guiltyparty

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Phomesy said:
To accuse a player of being lazy is a big fucking deal. Dele Alli was a lot of things today but "lazy" wasn't one of them.

If he were lazy don't you think the first people to notice and do something about it would the fucking coaching staff?

How about you read some of the comments about a kid with a startling record who made two goals today and ran his fucking heart out - and then reflect on your accusations of "patronising".

He had some poor touches; messed up some good positions - but when we went down to 10 men Poch had the trust in him to put in a shift which he did. So, no, I'm afraid I don't agree Dele was lazy today. In fact I think its stupid and lazy accusation to level in the first place. Which is why, for the first time ever here, I've gone into bat for Dele. The reaction to his game is fucking insane.
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I didn't say he was lazy. I said he didn't have a great game, again. And you're continuing with being patronising, so obviously you're warming to it.

63% pass success rate, 0 dribbles, 0 aerial duels won, 1 shot on target, 2 successful tackles, dispossessed 4 times.

He got an assist, good on him, but those giving him credit for fluffing a chance that was parried to Kane as some kind of planned assist are having a laugh.
 
danielneeds

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guiltyparty said:
Not what I said, was it? And Alli strung so many passes together today.
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You said we were "much better" with Alli not in the team, no? I don't think we were. We played like West Brom or Burnley do against us.

Personally I'd look to play Eriksen, Alli and Son infront of Dier/Wanyama in the 3-4-2-1 at home against the smaller sides.
 
guiltyparty

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danielneeds said:
You said we were "much better" with Alli not in the team, no? I don't think we were. We played like West Brom or Burnley do against us.

Personally I'd look to play Eriksen, Alli and Son infront of Dier/Wanyama in the 3-4-2-1 at home against the smaller sides.
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We were much better against Dortmund than today, yes. It just so happened that Alli wasn't playing.

You can pick West Brom or Burnley as your examples, I would suggest like Chelsea against us or Utd against Southampton today. Mixing it up and having more than one plan is a good thing.
 
guiltyparty

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beats1 said:
TBF his pass to Kane for his goal was shit, it made it hard for Harry to score as he had to do a diving header, which he did convert fortunately
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Amen. The 'Alli can do no wrong' agenda is just as fucking tiring

We have other players.

WhoScored rated him same as Sissoko today, despite his 'two' assists. Mull that one over
 
Phomesy

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guiltyparty said:
I didn't say he was lazy. I said he didn't have a great game, again. And you're continuing with being patronising, so obviously you're warming to it.

63% pass success rate, 0 dribbles, 0 aerial duels won, 1 shot on target, 2 successful tackles, dispossessed 4 times.

He got an assist, good on him, but those giving him credit for fluffing a chance that was parried to Kane as some kind of planned assist are having a laugh.
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I never said he had a great game. I said he put in a fucking shift.

But, whatever, he's not getting dropped because he's doing his job as far as Poch is concerned. It's like the fucking idiots calling for Eriksen to be dropped at the start of last season because he wasn't getting goals and assists. Poh's gameplan is so much more than those stats. It's about being in the right positions and constantly working for the team. Dele did that today and that's why I disagreed with BC's assessment because it's simply not true.

The moment Dele stops doing his job "off the ball" is the moment Poch drops him. But if you want to drive the kid out of the club by baseless accusations of laziness go right ahead. It'll be brilliant for Spurs watching him at Bayern/Barca or wherever won't it?
 
Spurger King

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Vertonghen got my vote for MotM. He's gone up another level this season.

Eriksen and Kane were great again. Eriksen is a magician, and Kane is just lethal.

Dier and Sissoko were solid enough and did their jobs, but I'm really missing Wanyama and Dembele.

Dele was poor in the second half, but did provide a quality assist. He gets himself into great positions but his decision making seems to have gone out of the window.

Special mention for Llorente. Showed the experience and intelligence we needed at that point.
 
Phomesy

Phomesy

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guiltyparty said:
Amen. The 'Alli can do no wrong' agenda is just as fucking tiring

We have other players.

WhoScored rated him same as Sissoko today, despite his 'two' assists. Mull that one over
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FFS - it's not that Dele can do no wrong. I've often criticised him.

But he's not getting dropped because he's not playing that badly. But he might if people like you get on his fucking back a little more.
 
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