Man City v Spurs: Do they know it's match thread time at all

JUSTINSIGNAL · Dec 16, 2017

mattdefoe said:
Whilst I agree with our injuries and the issues it causes they had mangala playing , Delph at left back and no David Silva . We should have done better

Although that is just a difference in squad depth, which we know about due to the difference in resources. We need to be our absolute best to beat City they don't need to at their best to beat us. That is the difference.

spursfan77 · Dec 16, 2017

What's fucking us over is that when we lose all the other rival teams win. It's going to happen again this weekend.

spursfan77 · Dec 16, 2017

mattdefoe said:
Whilst I agree with our injuries and the issues it causes they had mangala playing , Delph at left back and no David Silva . We should have done better

And the shit mangala at centre back.

Matthew · Dec 16, 2017

Hazardousman said:
Here is the problem that none of our fans want to acknowledge or admit, we have a bunch of players in this side that, unlike Kane, have no real reason to stay here besides Poch and the promise of this being a "project" and most of them have just seen one of their ex-teammates move to Man City, a team which, because of the money they have spent, are absolutely stomping this league.

They are looking at that and looking at how much more their ex-teammate is earning and thinking "Why would I stick around for a possible promise of winning something when I could move somewhere else, triple my pay and win trophies like they are going out of fashion?"

Now, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to understand that no amount of loyalty or promises is going to keep a player around when they know they could be getting paid more and winning things at another team, our fans are completely deluded if they think for one second that a football stadium is going to keep them here.

It boils down to one simple fact, money wins out in the end in this league and we are simply not even close to the levels of clubs like City, quite frankly we have been punching WAY above our weight for two seasons now.

I personally think City and their dominance should not be celebrated, it has made for the most boring season in recent times, they have essentially already won the league and it's not even Christmas yet.

This is just a result of us not taking our chance as a team when we had it, now we are going backwards and to where we probably deserve to be, champions league aside we haven't looked like a top-four side this season at all, this is why I was pissed off when we threw away the chance of silverware earlier this season because frankly, THAT is our level, we need to start somewhere.

Now, Kane is our most loyal player but even with him, there will come a point where, no matter how much he loves spurs, he will be tempted to move, especially if we are going backward, this is the risk we have taken.

I feel the only way we can possibly keep this team together next season is if we increase our players wages substantially and we make some really big signings and I mean, City level big.

I don't think either of those things is going to transpire so I guess what I am saying is, our performance wasn't great tonight but the reality is, money won that game and I guess we just have to accept that until we spend money like City do we will always have little more than a very slim outside chance of ever coming close to winning this league.

Completely agree, Kane and probably Hugo would be the only 2 I wouldn’t begrudge a move, one cos Hugo stuck with us when we was shit. And Harry because he needs to win things. Plus he’s single handely won us games for the last 2/3 seasons.

Saoirse · Dec 16, 2017

spursfan77 said:
What's fucking us over is that when we lose all the other rival teams win. It's going to happen again this weekend.

Can't agree there. Arsenal are 4th right now with 33 points from 18 games. That's about what you'd expect 4th to have. Nothing to do with other teams, we've simply not been good enough (not today, that's understandable, but in failing so often against mid-table or relegation sides)

worcestersauce · Dec 16, 2017

zoneD said:
...and you ignore the Kane and Alli stone wall reds...
COYS

Oh yes they mentioned those on BT and brought graham poll in on them, however its a different game had the referee done the right thing in the first half.
They really have no relevance to what I posted, when was it ok to kick someone in the head, at head height and not a red card?
I am not disputing the loss, I am perfectly able to accept a defeat, I am not making excuses I can't for the life of me grasp why so many people want to blame certain players today, we'd have had to be at the top of our game to win this game, they are at the top of their game at the moment take it and move on.
I do however reserve the right to be pissed off at things that didn't help us.

GetKaned · Dec 16, 2017

rossdapep said:
Worst I've felt about a Poch side for a long long time. This mirrored performances of old.

Wrong set-up from the start - Aurier should have been trusted because he may have at least been quicker in the race against Sane. Dembele is simply on the decline now and when you're up against fleeter footed players such as De Bruyne, etc you can't be getting the run around in the most crucial part of the pitch.

Stupid decisions - Time and time again there were so many stupid decisions with and without the ball. Trippier caught way out of position at 0-1. Rose not slipping Eriksen in. Lloris kicking it straight back to them. I could go on. Were the players scared?? Did it affect their ability to react quicker?

Lack of responsibility - When you play the bigger and better teams you need players to take responsibility. Yet I saw a passive Eriksen yet again, Winks passed the ball to him in the first half and he had the expression of "Was that for me?" Take responsibility! Demand the ball! You don't see De Bruyne doing that. He wants the ball FFS!

In-game management - Once again this comes to the fore. Tripper caught bombing forward at 1, what's that all about? Have you still not learned your lesson?

Substitutions - All on Poch this one. You let Eriksen get away with being on the periphery. You let Alli get away with not doing much. You let Trippier get caught out of position continuously and you let Dembele run himself into the ground. I understand that our CM and defensive options are light at the moment but what is inexcusable is waiting until the 75th minute and us going two down - before doing anything other than improving the urgency - is not going to make you a successful coach. Why was Lamela not on sooner? He'd have given us more tenacity and could have posed a threat. Why did Sissoko not come on for Dembele instead? He would have added some athleticism in the midfield. Why was Son the first to be hooked? The lad is our only quick option on the counter and there was at least three who should have come off first.

I can honestly say that's the first time I've genuinely got really angry with Poch. The complete lack of urgency to change something was really grating at me. It was obvious, so bleeding obvious.

2bearis2do said:
The "Kyle Walker" domino effect will be upon us.
I am so fucking gutted at the moment.

It pains me to say that Toby is all but gone. But if we are to lose someone like Alli or Eriksen, at least we will get a boatload of cash. (Thanks Neymar)

JAYSTAR · Dec 16, 2017

The tactics were shocking. Poch has to take some responsibility. Why were they passing the ball around with Dier, Lloris and Verts?! Totally ridiculous. Playing Alli when he is doing absolutely nothing is also completely stupid. He should have been subbed at 60 minutes at the latest. Lamela is a much better option right now. We are playing with 9 or at best 10 players and a weak defence. Without Toby Sanchez and Wanyama, we need to change our strategy. In my honest opinion we should have played long ball.

ardiles · Dec 16, 2017

Our players were given the run around by City and they looked knackered in the second half. Poch needs to blood some of the youth when playing against teams in the lower half of the table to allow some of our first teamers to get some rest.

If KWP had been given more playing time previously, he might have been able to come on for Trippier in the second half. It wouldn't have stopped us from losing the game but at least we could have had an alternative for Trippier/Aurier.

Hazardousman · Dec 16, 2017

Matthew said:
Completely agree, Kane and probably Hugo would be the only 2 I wouldn’t begrudge a move, one cos Hugo stuck with us when we was shit. And Harry because he needs to win things. Plus he’s single handely won us games for the last 2/3 seasons.

I completely agree, frankly, I would not begrudge any of them moving, most, if not all of them, have worked their arse off for us these last few seasons and they are in an unfair fight when it comes to teams like City.

If I was a footballer I would do the same as what Walker did, as I supporter I utterly detest the players for it because I love my club but if I step away from that emotional side of things and look at it logically I cannot bring myself to hate them for it because I know that, no matter how much I loved a team, I would be crazy to stick around when I knew I could be earning triple mypay and winning things, you never know how many years you will get as a footballer either.

If people say otherwise they are telling lies to themselves, anybody on this forum would do what Walker did, they may do it with more class but nonetheless, they would still do it.

2bearis2do · Dec 16, 2017

am_yisrael_chai said:
How bad is your transfer “strategy” when you wait until the final day of the transfer window to buy a RB and then decide that RB isn’t good enough to replace Trippier when he is getting raped on the pitch ?

This is it in a nutshell.
MoPo needs to grow some substitution balls if we are to progress.
When shit ain't working...CHANGE IT FFS! Don't wait for it to hit the fan and predictably splatter all over us.

St José Dominguez · Dec 16, 2017

Forget whether the players are good enough, forget who we should buy, to an extent forget the tactics we employ. Does anyone genuinely think mentally as a club from staff to players we're equipped to ever win anything? Every time we play these big games (this was supposed to be a no pressure game but didn't go that way) away from home mentally we just look all over the place, just stupid things like controlling a football or making a 5 yard pass suddenly looks difficult.

We've made no improvement in that and obviously this year is gone but future wise if this isn't solved then we'll never achieve anything. I don't know what the answer is, it's one of the reasons was so pissed off at throwing league cup cos not only is it a trophy it's at least a small step to creating a calmer, stronger character and mentality. It's holding us back.

gloryspur · Dec 16, 2017

Different level/world saw that in pre-season when they spanked us 3-0. Agree roll on to next match as soon as possible just embarrassing that no team is even competing with them now feels more and more like the Scottish Premier League.

I do absolutely hate these defeats where we capiculate such fine margins where you can attack one minute then the next get ripped to shreads. I would have been perfectly happy if we had parked eleven buses in front of them!!! Kane I worry for after this he is someone who deserves the service Citeh serve up! No wonder he took out his frustration on Sterling.

Like I always hoped with Chelski they found some corruption saga that drained all their resources suppose best keep praying on this one ffs! Psychologically feels very damaging though and so old Spurs

Wheeler Dealer · Dec 16, 2017

Spurrific said:
Trippier should never play against teams with actual wingers. Every time he’s up against a capable left winger, he ends up looking absolutely

GetKaned said:
It pains me to say that Toby is all but gone. But if we are to lose someone like Alli or Eriksen, at least we will get a boatload of cash. (Thanks Neymar)

On recent performances I wouldn't pay Alli to wash my car..

ebzrascal · Dec 16, 2017

JAYSTAR said:
The tactics were shocking. Poch has to take some responsibility. Why were they passing the ball around with Dier, Lloris and Verts?! Totally ridiculous. Playing Alli when he is doing absolutely nothing is also completely stupid. He should have been subbed at 60 minutes at the latest. Lamela is a much better option right now. We are playing with 9 or at best 10 players and a weak defence. Without Toby Sanchez and Wanyama, we need to change our strategy. In my honest opinion we should have played long ball.

Why didn`t do what we did against Madrid away... Llorente up top longer balls with Kane playing off him.. Strong midfield

2bearis2do · Dec 16, 2017

agrdavidsfan said:
Said it on Twitter I think there’s 10 other players out there looking at Kyle at the end of that final whistle saying you know what he’s right...

Where's the sad but true emoji?

2bearis2do · Dec 16, 2017

GetKaned said:
It pains me to say that Toby is all but gone. But if we are to lose someone like Alli or Eriksen, at least we will get a boatload of cash. (Thanks Neymar)

I'd take a boat load of cash for Dele Alli TBH.
And for Dier!
(I'd keep Eriksen - but have him backed up and rest him more.)

Danny1 · Dec 16, 2017

Got what I thought before the game, we were never going to get anything from this come on!

Worryingly the score line flattered us, a missed penalty and Sterling missed 3 tap ins! That could have been the worst defeat I’ve ever seen for my spurs team and luckily we have Hugo and Sterling missed a load! Honestly looking back at that game the fair score would have been 8-1 and I wouldn’t havent complained about it.

However we walked away with just a 4-1 defeat and have to move on to try and get top 4. Let’s face it, City are miles away from everyone in the league and rightly so after spending a billion pounds. If they weren’t where they are now then they would have been failing.

ardiles · Dec 16, 2017

We have to get 2/3 quality players in the summer and stop wasting good money on stop-gap players like Llorente, Janssen & Sissoko, who are not able to change the game when put on. Llorente was a good player but he's way past his prime.

Doctor Dinkey · Dec 16, 2017

Cheer up guys there's always the cricket to look forward to

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