Look at the poll or am I missing something.That's a unique and very "special" way to interpret the results. How you came to that figure is a mystery to me.
Look at the poll or am I missing something.That's a unique and very "special" way to interpret the results. How you came to that figure is a mystery to me.
I admire your faith but feel its misplaced,but good luck to you anyway there always has to be some in the extreme minority,and they dont deserve persecution because of it ......I know from personal experience.I blame Uncle Martin for taking us to two 5th placed finishes and daring to make the club a name worth uttering once more.
How dare he get my support. How dare he. But all is long and forgotten in those late season days of October, with only 30 odd games left.
Guess who's in that 10%. :dance: Proud to be, too.
Heh heh, I love a good argument with Stoof.But how have you come to the conclusion that he isn't good enough? Do you base it on the two seasons we finished 5th?
And before the start of this season I'd say he managed the board pretty well, don't you? Can you say otherwise? Is it even possible to?
The current situation is we've won one game all season, we've thrown away points from dumbass tactical decisions and most terrible of all we bear the mark of a condemned team. If the mark of a successful team is playing badly and still winning, all relegation fodder are scarred by the reverse formula: they lose (or draw) even when playing well.What is the current situation? That we look like unprofessional monkeys that have undermined the manager. I'd say that's what my post was about, and that's the 'current situation' I was describing. So is that Jol's fault too? :lol:
We've got a reasonable manager, but he's not the answer, he's a Tim Sherwood or Steve Sedgely, we need a Lineker or a Klinsmann.I do think he's a good manager - I've seen him bring us to 5th finishes and a Calendar 4th in his first 3/4 season in charge. I don't suddenly think we've got a bad crop of players (as some seem to on here) - they're kids, they're young and they need time.
Yes we did, but waiting doesn't mean this, waiting means top six and pushing for CL. What we have now is a shambles and once again the mark of a good manager is not what he does when he has a settled team and the dice are rolling in his favour but what he does when he's young team and the pressure's on.We chose to buy kids - and by "we" I mean the Board (as they set the transfer policies) - so with that means waiting for them to reach their potential. We can't have it both ways - which is what I think they do. I can wait, maybe others can't. I doubt Jol will be around to see them flourish. A great shame.
He's a Premiership manager, that's a terrible thing for him to say. He's shouldn't be moaning, he's a team most of the rest of the Premiership would die for and he tries to find excuses for his cock-up.There's an interview with Jol saying "I can't buy a Distin or a Mexes, so I get in a Kaboul".
They have been playing for him, they've been playing for him all season, he just can't make up his mind the way he wants them to play, he can't instil a strong mentality, he can't drill a defence. The players deserve a coach and a manager who can get the best out of them, Jol patently can't.I'm saying it because at some point the players need to play for Jol. They really do. They owe it to him.
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He's a Premiership manager, that's a terrible thing for him to say. He's shouldn't be moaning, he's a team most of the rest of the Premiership would die for and he tries to find excuses for his cock-up.
They have been playing for him, they've been playing for him all season, he just can't make up his mind the way he wants them to play, he can't instil a strong mentality, he can't drill a defence. The players deserve a coach and a manager who can get the best out of them, Jol patently can't.
The rest I'll agree to disagree with you, because we've been through about a dozen threads with the same arguments, neither of us budging about the lines between player and manager responsibility. So let's just leave it there.
With regards to his quote, it suggests he would quite like some experienced players, but it seems those up top suggest differently.
They didn't bloody play for him on Monday, that's for sure. And that's what I'm talking about. When the going gets tough where were the players to stand up, say "by jove, he's right you know!" and be counted. They weren't there and they bottled it. But that's getting back to the whole player's hiding behind the manager thing, and I honestly don't want to get into that here, because it'll take the thread away from it's purpose.
The last sentence "Jol patently can't". That's out of line and wrong, my friend. Because he's already done it for 2 and 3/4 years. Getting the best out of players - making them achieve their potential - to the point of overachieving. You do him a huge disservice there.
yup - bob on.
i'd even go further than that by saying that i don't believe there is a place for a DoF at the club at all.
a head scout - with good contacts around the footballing globe - yes. and that's exactly what comolli is, a scout. he's not a DoF.
when looking at the top four this season, the only one that looks dis-jointed is the one with a DoF - chelsea.
Man U, Liverpool, and Arsenal are all looking extemely good and not one of them employs this silly DoF structure. coincidence? i think not.
Whatever your opinion of Jol (and I have always had reservations about him), he has to go now. He knows that he has lost the confidence of the board and will be replaced sooner or later. He is only soldiering on to ensure that he gets his compensation. Anyone in that situation would be demotivated. Whether you think he's our greatest manager since Bill Nick or a manager of limited ability it is essential for the good of the club that he is replaced now.Sure the board have shown incompetence in finding a replacement but it is not their fault that we are not properly prepared at the start of the season and cannot defend set pieces. If Ramosgate hadn't happened, I wonder how many would now be calling for Jol's head after one victory in 10 games.Love him or loathe him - Jol must go now.
Pretty much, yeah.
School-boy like personnel management. In fact I reckon I could do a better job. Seriously - the way that they've treated what is supposedly the most important non-playing asset is horrific.
Why do you think all the messageboards, pubs and newspaper inches are full of words like "undermined" and "untenable". Well, it's because the Board have completely and utterly undermined Jol, to make his position untenable.
The people who deserve the ultimate finger-pointing are the Board members.
I thought it was individual errors, stoof?
not the board, not jol, but just all the players, isn't that right stoof?
Well Stoof , maybe they believed that Jol would put our problems right in the close season....3 games in all the old probs were there (or even worse)....so they acted .
Do you imagine other boards don't do the same ? The only thing that YES the board messed up was they weren't very good at the cloak and dagger stuff , dodging behind the curtains etc .
...and I can forgive them for that .
Three games? That would have been laughable enough, but the meeting was on Friday 17th, three days after the Everton game.
So, not only has the board succeeded in undermining the coach (and anyone who believes this farce hasn't seriously affected the performance of both Jol and the team is, frankly, mad)