The Jol Vote

[jimbo]

I would agree that getting caught in Spain massively undermined Jol's position. However, we weren't doing particularly well before they did this either. We had problems last season, and the same problems are still there, only this time round they seem to be worse. The mistake seems to have been not getting Ramos in over the Summer, if that's what is necessary. I'm confident the board know more about the goings on behind the scenes than we do.

I like Jol, and with good reason, being the most successful manager I can remember. It's out of his hands now though, and it's slightly troubling that the only reason he hasn't walked already is to secure his compensation. I speculate...

 

[PeterboroughYids]

3. He deserves until the end of the season.

In Jol We Trust.

:stupid:

 

[alpha]

Has the board come out and said they're are backing Jol till the end of the season and hope he stays beyond that?

 

[PLTuck]

went for , Yes, due to the board interferring his position is untenable and he should walk.

He's done great for us but the behind the scenes situation means there can only be one outcome, unless of course levy sells up and the new owners want to keep Jol on

my thoughts too, unfortunately.

 

[The Apprentice]

So 88% don't think he's the long term answer to our plight. Interesting.

 

[Gilzeanking]

I would agree that getting caught in Spain massively undermined Jol's position. However, we weren't doing particularly well before they did this either. We had problems last season, and the same problems are still there, only this time round they seem to be worse. The mistake seems to have been not getting Ramos in over the Summer, if that's what is necessary. I'm confident the board know more about the goings on behind the scenes than we do.

I like Jol, and with good reason, being the most successful manager I can remember. It's out of his hands now though, and it's slightly troubling that the only reason he hasn't walked already is to secure his compensation. I speculate...

Wot he said...though I'd add that the ( deluded imo ) abuse the Board is getting at the mo is nothing compared to the stick they'd have received if Jol had been pushed after 2 5ths.

The idea that the Board should have ousted Jol in the summer comes from planet mad . Cut out this stupid science fiction please .

 

[Michey]

I think he should go, not because he isnt good enough, but I think the team has been grinded down and we dont have the players that can battle their way out. We need some freshness to boost everyone.

Something like that

 

[teddyboy]

I would agree that getting caught in Spain massively undermined Jol's position. However, we weren't doing particularly well before they did this either. We had problems last season, and the same problems are still there, only this time round they seem to be worse. The mistake seems to have been not getting Ramos in over the Summer, if that's what is necessary. I'm confident the board know more about the goings on behind the scenes than we do.

I like Jol, and with good reason, being the most successful manager I can remember. It's out of his hands now though, and it's slightly troubling that the only reason he hasn't walked already is to secure his compensation. I speculate...

I wouldn't bet on it, they are after all a collective bunch of knob-heads responsible for running the best manager out of town this club has seen for a long time
:evil:

 

[nedley]

why is he still not gone?

 

[Stoof]

Wot he said...though I'd add that the ( deluded imo ) abuse the Board is getting at the mo is nothing compared to the stick they'd have received if Jol had been pushed after 2 5ths.

The idea that the Board should have ousted Jol in the summer comes from planet mad . Cut out this stupid science fiction please .

Why is it deluded?

Like you said if they were unhappy, they should have done something in the Summer. Quite why they would be unhappy after 2 5ths (as you again say) would be interesting.

So therefore surely this is all their own doing.

 

[steveitr]

Pretty much, yeah.

School-boy like personnel management. In fact I reckon I could do a better job. Seriously - the way that they've treated what is supposedly the most important non-playing asset is horrific.

Why do you think all the messageboards, pubs and newspaper inches are full of words like "undermined" and "untenable". Well, it's because the Board have completely and utterly undermined Jol, to make his position untenable.

The people who deserve the ultimate finger-pointing are the Board members.

:stupid:
Also the players we have bought is it commoli buying them or jol? I think commoli is undermining jol.

 

[Stoof]

:stupid:
Also the players we have bought is it commoli buying them or jol? I think commoli is undermining jol.

I wouldn't go that far.

In fact I wouldn't go there at all - because as has been trawled out what must be close to 20 times ...

Jol says I need X type of player
Comolli goes away makes a shortlist
Jol then agrees to names on the shortlist
Comolli goes to Levy
Levy buys them

Yep yep?

 

[donny1013]

I voted for him to stay till the end of the season at least. i went up to Newcastle and it was nowhere near the sort of performance i would expect from this squad, although now maybe thats what i should expect! At liverpool we showed so much more fight. But there is still 28 premiership games left, as well as hopefully a lot of cup games so MJ still has the chance to show why fans such as me are going to stick by him.

 

[Gilzeanking]

Well Stoof , maybe they believed that Jol would put our problems right in the close season....3 games in all the old probs were there (or even worse)....so they acted .

Do you imagine other boards don't do the same ? The only thing that YES the board messed up was they weren't very good at the cloak and dagger stuff , dodging behind the curtains etc .

...and I can forgive them for that .

 

[jimbo]

I wouldn't bet on it, they are after all a collective bunch of knob-heads responsible for running the best manager out of town this club has seen for a long time
:evil:

I don't agree with you, but I do think that either opinion is now moot. What has happened can not now be undone, in the situation we as a club are in, in my opinion anyway, the current set-up is not going to get out us out.

 

[llamafarmer]

Why is it deluded?

Like you said if they were unhappy, they should have done something in the Summer. Quite why they would be unhappy after 2 5ths (as you again say) would be interesting.

So therefore surely this is all their own doing.

Fortunately our DOF structure means that if we sack a manager it will be a seemless transition to the next deadman walking. :doh:

 

[tommyt]

The fans are more or less the reason that Jol wasn't sacked earlier in the season, but now it appears the faithful are starting to be swayed.

I vote 4. I'm as perturbed as the rest of you, but Jol can once again make himself unsackable (to a point) if the team start winning games convincingly, show the right attitude and get into Europe next season.

I'll be absolutely disgusted if BMJ is sacked before the end of the season, and in all honesty, this whole episode is breaking my heart.

 

[Stoof]

Well Stoof , maybe they believed that Jol would put our problems right in the close season....3 games in all the old probs were there (or even worse)....so they acted.

But in close season we were unbeaten and free-scoring? (Not a very testing pre-season, however).

Do you imagine other boards don't do the same ? The only thing that YES the board messed up was they weren't very good at the cloak and dagger stuff , dodging behind the curtains etc .

...and I can forgive them for that .

It made us look like the unprofessional mess we are today. Maybe we were blinded by 2 years of subtle moves, good spending and a rosy profit. :shrug:

Maybe it's not the players' ability that keeps us from the Top 4. Maybe it's the mentality from the top all the way down?

It's terribly terribly unprofessional - would any of the Top 4 Boards have let it drag on in the newspapers? No, doubt it. Caught with their pants down with no reply.

It's almost on par with Terry Brown and the 'Tevez' affair.

Shocking shocking management. If you're gonna by sly, be professionally sly. I think.

:-( The voice in my head is echoing "same ol' Tottenham" - snatching glorious defeat from expected victory.

This was our year. Was.

 

[sloth]

Pretty much, yeah.

School-boy like personnel management. In fact I reckon I could do a better job. Seriously - the way that they've treated what is supposedly the most important non-playing asset is horrific.

Why do you think all the messageboards, pubs and newspaper inches are full of words like "undermined" and "untenable". Well, it's because the Board have completely and utterly undermined Jol, to make his position untenable.

The people who deserve the ultimate finger-pointing are the Board members.

Don't be plonker. Part of being a top manager is dealing with situations like that, he talks tough, but cracks under pressure. If it makes you feel better, by all means blame it all on the bogey-man board, lol, but if you want the reality then it's the results on the pitch aren't good enough and if you're the manager and you make mistakes for all to see I'm afraid you're going to have to take most of the blame.

 

[karsten_finkle]

i've been backing jol throughout but i'm starting to beleive that the board has made his position untennable.

with all that's been going on in the background, i feel that the players are starting to desert him and the situation needs closure before it'll get any better.

it's unfortunate as martin has been a breath of fresh air over the last two seasons but unless this issue gets resloved quickly we could well find ourselves in the relegation dogfight.

i think i'd like to see clive allen get a shot at the caretaker role until the RIGHT replacement can be found.

that said - would the RIGHT man come into a club where his finite authourity would be in question from the outset? i'm not so sure. i feel that the root of all of the problems lies within the director of football role rather than the managers post.