Tottenham vs Swansea: Match Thread

ghjk_91 · Sep 17, 2017

I was there today and one thing I didn't understand was bringing Llorente on and then continuing to pass the ball around side to side and not hitting him.

I'm not saying we should've started hoofing it, but it seems odd to have a plan B to mix it up and not utilise it at all.

rossdapep · Sep 17, 2017

Gotta be honest. I don't see what the direction was with that performance. Nothing at all. Yeah I'm drunk
But I've seen so much better and expect better. A
Te amor tottenham

heelspurs · Sep 17, 2017

RichieS said:
Business as usual in here I see - we win and it's because the other lot were shit/depleted/whatever, we fail to win and it's because we're shit.

Swansea did what most teams attempt to do against us and all the other top teams - it just so happens that today their luck was in as Fabianski made 3 or 4 top saves and Mike Dean made 1 or 2 bad calls. For most teams on most days against us their luck will not hold up for the whole 90 minutes.

Don't think that is a fair representation at all. My feelings are we won because Poch got it right and the players played fantastic, gave their all. I argued against those that said Dortmund were depleted. Weigl is the only player that would have added to their play.

Today Poch got it wrong with the selection and the tactics (someone said Poch said he underestimated Swansea in his interview) and the players were not up to it to overcome the obstacles. Credit where credit is due and criticism where it is warranted.

zoneD · Sep 17, 2017

...if we want to win against bus parking teams, we need a creative DLP and/or more quality from set pieces...Eriksen's delivery has been disappointing...
COYS

Sweetsman · Sep 17, 2017

Having written that the best "player" on Wednesday was Poch, today it's the opposite. It's fine starting with Son on the left, but not leaving on Trippier an taking off Son; Trippier never took on the defender down the left and they knew that. They just funnelled us back towards the congested middle. Dier had a day to forget and Dele wasn't far behind. These games tend to be won by only one goal, so it was vital we took our chances. Kane needs to think about how Greaves would pass it in rather than going for power more often than not. Finally, people need to get off Sissoko's back. The guy produced two key passes that could have led to goals, but every single mistake is jumped on. Dier and others produced poor shots, too; Dembele doesn't even shoot. Chris Miller even tweeted that Tom Carroll should've been there rather than him, a descent into self-parody if there ever was one!

Gaz_Gammon · Sep 17, 2017

StevePil said:
For some reason, some seem happy with dominating possession and lots of shots... I couldn't give a toss. I want goals.

I don't care if we had 10% possession in a match but win it.

Don't see what the fascination is with " we dominated the game and should have won" well, we didn't cos we didn't score a goal... Swansea who only had 25% possession got the same amount of points as us, as did burnley a couple of weeks back and Chelsea before that.

When will we learn, we have to start scoring more and being ruthless, we don't seem to play as a team when it comes to goals. watching us with free kicks today - Kane took the first, then Dier, then finally Eriksen (who scored a brilliant FK in international duty) so why are Kane/Dier taking the ball off him - play as a team and not for your own personal gain.

I think we had 35% of the play on Wednesday and possibly 75% today.

Possesion counts for nowt, it's all anout what you create when you have the ball.

The vast majority of teams coming to Wembley will play like Swansea and Burnley.

Poch and the players better get used to it and find a system of play to counter it.

I'd be tempted to bring in Llorente with Kane and see what that combination can offer. Missed Dembele and for sure Davies, but if we are depending on Davies what can that possibly tell you about todays performance?

guiltyparty · Sep 17, 2017

Sweetsman said:
Having written that the best "player" on Wednesday was Poch, today it's the opposite. It's fine starting with Son on the left, but not leaving on Trippier an taking off Son; Trippier never took on the defender down the left and they knew that. They just funnelled us back towards the congested middle. Dier had a day to forget and Dele wasn't far behind. These games tend to be won by only one goal, so it was vital we took our chances. Kane needs to think about how Greaves would pass it in rather than going for power more often than not. Finally, people need to get off Sissoko's back. The guy produced two key passes that could have led to goals, but every single mistake is jumped on. Dier and others produced poor shots, too; Dembele doesn't even shoot. Chris Miller even tweeted that Tom Carroll should've been there rather than him, a descent into self-parody if there ever was one!

Agree. Sissoko was far better than Alli or Dier today. The fan beef around those two seems to make criticism of them a bit of a joke but both have been pretty, well, dire this season so far.

rocklink · Sep 17, 2017

I don't understand why poch doesn't want to play sissoko in the middle where he is most effective ... But poch always plays him on the right side and sissoko is not good enough technically to play that side of the pitch .. Against everton , sissoko was good because he was played through the middle ... Today it was same again ...

shelfboy68 · Sep 17, 2017

cheeseman said:
Just like last season when they had a 100% record until we murdered 'em.

It will be a lot different this time as last year we could win at home.

guiltyparty · Sep 17, 2017

shelfboy68 said:
It will be a lot different this time as last year we could win at home.

The "points versus last season" thread at home is going to be fascinating this year.

shelfboy68 · Sep 17, 2017

guiltyparty said:
The "points versus last season" thread at home is going to be fascinating this year.

Yes it will and our push for a top place is going to be hard as it puts more pressure on our away form, already 2 points out of 9 at home is simply not good enough.
Teams will look forward coming to play at Wembley and employ those tactics because we are simply unable to find a way round it and get results.

spursfan77 · Sep 17, 2017

All the shit teams are going to try and play like Swansea did against us.

We needed an early goal and didn't get it or look like getting one.

spursfan77 · Sep 17, 2017

There was booing at the end of the game again, which was totally uncalled for. Yes we were shit but booing is stupid. Doesn't help anyone.

Plus I saw 2 fights break out between our own fans. What dicks.

Spurs 1961 · Sep 17, 2017

Rarely have I seen a team just not want to play football like Swansea. They had their five across the back camped on the penalty area. Line and line of three closely in front. Playing Aurier and Davies would have helped stretch them more but they were never going to try to win. It was as anti football as you can get

guiltyparty · Sep 17, 2017

spursfan77 said:
There was booing at the end of the game again, which was totally uncalled for. Yes we were shit but booing is stupid. Doesn't help anyone.

Plus I saw 2 fights break out between our own fans. What dicks.

I have several friends who support other clubs who have said they've seen this before with us. Amongst my circle, Spurs, after Arsenal Fan TV, are almost known for in fighting. It's weird as I've never seen it and always assumed it was bullshit but they don't say it about anyone else

slartibartfast · Sep 17, 2017

Was at game yesterday.
Very disappointing result.
Only read this page and agree with most comments.
Poch got it wrong imo.
After Wednesday it was so so important to win against Swansea and put this Wembley bollocks to bed once and for all.
But again we got a situation where had you asked everybody in the stadium to come up with a team selection then I doubt if anybody would have gone with what we got.
Now we did batter Swansea and I did not see Swansea coming and playing like that. They NEVER park the bus but that's what they did. I can't remember seeing them play like that against anyone.
Ok you lay your plan out and had Swansea played how they always do that team was good enough to win but after 20mins it pretty obvious how they'd set their stall out.
So lets do some math. When you're playing a team that park the bus you are gonna struggle to score with 4 creative players against 11.
Think back to the old days of the sky 4 when teams played 2 up front. There was no way ANYBODY could sit in there own half for fkin 90mins and keep a clean sheet. It never happened. Had they put on 1 striker, 5 defenders, a defensive mid and a water carrier in Sissoko I think they may have struggled to score as well.
Poor Kane never got a sniff.
Sissoko cannot play out wide. He offers nothing.
Trippier on the left offers less than if he's on the right in his correct position.
We brought another striker on too late and then took away the feed to cross the ball into the box for him. We signed him but don't seem to understand what he does.
What also annoys me is on the rare occasion when Swansea did come forward did we hit them on the counter with pace like against Dortmund to get in behind? Nope. Stop. Go sideways or backwards. Wait for them to get 11 back in their half and then try to break them down.
Very very frustrating.

Damian99 · Sep 17, 2017

spursfan77 said:
All the shit teams are going to try and play like Swansea did against us.

We needed an early goal and didn't get it or look like getting one.

Spot on mate - Also maybe start the game with the right 11 players on the pitch - but regardless if you get at these teams before they get a chance to settle in to the game and get set up, with a goal inside the first 10 minuted, then any game plan they hoped to have, is out of the window.

Danners9 · Sep 17, 2017

Was Davies genuinely injured? Saw something about a knock but he was still on the bench. Seems odd to persist with Son as LWB. Also seemed odd to bench Aurier but then put Trippier on the left when Son goes off. What's worse: right back on the left or winger/forward pushed back?

Llorente comes on and the best way of getting him into the game stops. Whereas before, many crosses were being intercepted by Fernandez.

Alli looks frustrated. Or at least plays like he is.

If Alli starts on the bench, Son can play like he did on Weds, Aurier at right back and (if you must) Trippier at left back. I fully expected it to be Alli to come off, not Son.

Mike Dean was awful. Falling for the classic 'buy a foul' moves by Abraham and Bony, lean back then fall over with your arms up. Ah yeh, free kick that.. misjudging a chest control for an arm.. not seeing two (one more so than the other) handballs by Swansea defenders.

Fine margins because Kane's free kick, the one off the bar, his header tipped over could have easily resulted in goals. Ultimately it's the penalty decisions that influence the result - you'd back Kane from 12 yards - but the line up and tactics needs some thought for games like this.

Colonel Dax · Sep 17, 2017

Slept on it...

but I still find yesterday's result irritating. Feels like a defeat.

Dov67 · Sep 17, 2017

spent the whole game trying to pass the ball through a ten man defence - no penetration, no width and no pace.

the only way we were going to win playing this way was to wait for the killer ball/through pass from the likes of Eriksen, which unfortunately never came.

and of course Mike Dean doing his best to prove he is not a Spurs fan after all.

Now we have two weeks of the press going on about the wembley hoodoo BS again.

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