8 months on, where do you stand?

[yankspurs]

This. Anyone harping on (STILL! FFS!) about Sherwood (rejected by West Brom, Palace, Newcastle and now QPR) needs to remember what happened whenever we played a top four team last season. We wouldn't have beaten Arsenal at the weekend, we wouldn't have run Liverpool close last night, and we definitely wouldn't have put five past Chelsea. We'd have been smashed in all of them, Kaboul would be playing every game and Sherwood would have been blaming anyone and everyone but himself. Vertonghen wouldn't have returned to the form of his first season, and Lloris wouldn't have come out saying how impressed he is with the manager's ideas.

We probably wouldn't be in a cup final, either.

Oh come on, mate! Stop bringing sense into this highly irrational debate that the dimitists have started.

 

[yankspurs]

Wrt Townsend, I am completely and utterly baffled that people think he should start. Another point, are we forgetting that Timmy was busy starting CM2s of Paulinho and Chadli, Paulinho and Siggy and Chadli and Siggy last year as part of a 442? And are we also forgetting that Timmy ran Bentaleb into the ground then never played him again? Are we also forgetting the widely accepted fact that Verts would have demanded a move if TIm was still here and probably Lloris as well? Also, what about Eriksen? That post match interview with Kane and Eriksen from last season told the story there.

Not to mention, right now we'd have a squad of Micah Richards and some other shit.

My god. Yes, at the end of the day, it is about results. But it is also about quality, unity and harmony. We have that now under Poch.

Oh by the way, I LOVE the Ade argument. LOVE, LOVE, LOVE, LOVE, LOVE it. Mostly because the dimitists lose ALL credibility now when they bring up Ade. Poch literally handed Ade everything on a silver platter, automatic starter, a leadership role, etc until November when apparently a bust up kicked off. Handled Ade with arguable alot more care and rubber glove like than Tim did. And what happened? Did nothing.

End of story. Thank fucking god Sherwood is not here anymore.

As to the actual topic of this thread...

I wanted De Boer but I am glad that we have Poch at the moment. I think he's done a good job thus far and I am exicted for the future as he is willing to give chances to youngsters. Just wish he'd give more time than short cameos to debutants and hope we see Onomah and Winks get a few more games and actual time before the end of the season.

 

[nightgoat]

Not disagreeing with you but tbf, AVB was also blown out by two of those top four and of course also West Ham, of which one of course ultimately leading to his departure. So one cannot suggest Sherwood was entirely at fault for the thrashings we did receive under him as a result of these facts.

I do absolutely agree with you though that without Poch the good things would have been highly unlikely. The problem with the previous year was not the managers specifically, it was a weak mentality from the players due to a lack of a core because of our transfer undertakings the previous summer. Now, under Poch, we have established a new identity and a new core, and consequently our results have improved dramatically without spending much at all, and especially not on first choice XI players.

Whilst that is true AVB got a couple of spankings (although I think there are some mitigating circumstances regarding defensive personnel available to him for the Liverpool game, and Man City also put six past Arsenal) at least he never came out publicly and said he had no intention of trying to learn from such defeats. But, in the hope of nipping any more AVB vs Sherwood debates (and by God there's been far too many of them), the poll in the OP didn't offer AVB as an option so I was merely responding to one post pining for us to still be a disorganised, incoherent, disillusioned pile of shit managed by Tim Sherwood.

 

[DaSpurs]

Whilst that is true AVB got a couple of spankings (although I think there are some mitigating circumstances regarding defensive personnel available to him for the Liverpool game, and Man City also put six past Arsenal) at least he never came out publicly and said he had no intention of trying to learn from such defeats. But, in the hope of nipping any more AVB vs Sherwood debates (and by God there's been far too many of them), the poll in the OP didn't offer AVB as an option so I was merely responding to one post pining for us to still be a disorganised, incoherent, disillusioned pile of shit managed by Tim Sherwood.

I don't at all disagree that Sherwood presented quite a bit of problems nor do I wish to argue the cause for him, but I just started the pointed by pointing to the fact that the ransackings were clearly not the result of one manager (as even Poch took one from Liverpool at the beginning of his tenure as well), and went on to point out how Poch turned things around without making expensive purchases, therefore leaving only a mental problem remaining as the only possible solution as quality nor manager were not the inhibiting factors.

The point there isn't at all to argue the case for Sherwood at all, but rather just how impressive and appreciated it is that Poch has managed to instill in the squad a new core and consequently a new mentality, and the results reflect this improvement.

 

[Chris12]

Sherwood - the man who cant even get a job at relegation fodder clubs

 

[Japhet]

Wanted Poch. Making better progress than I expected. Very excited about the prospect of him assembling the squad that he wants rather than trying to get his style from a squad he inherited. Hope he gets the time he needs to fully implement his ethos.

 

[robin09]

Sherwood - the man who cant even get a job at relegation fodder clubs

He seems obsessed with getting a long contract, instead of taking a short term opportunity, and proving himself worthy of one.

 

[neogenisis]

Wanted Poch and it was always going tot take time.

 

[spurs mental]

If Sherwood had stayed on we would be better off. Harry and Ade would have been playing from day one. Bentaleb and Andros obviously. None of this -oh, it worked, let's try it again, oh, it didn't work again bollocks.

Either you must be on drugs or else your name is actually Tim Sherwood if you think that.

Seriously, are you wumming or do you really think that point you made is close to being true? Because it's not. It's absolutely not.

 

[whl_yid1982]

I wouldn't say I wanted anyone in particular; I was more apprehensive about appointing the wrong coach again and another false dawn.

However after Poch's first eight months in charge I think he is doing a great job and I am excited for the future. COYS!!

 

[Blackcanary]

If Sherwood had stayed on we would be better off. Harry and Ade would have been playing from day one. Bentaleb and Andros obviously. None of this -oh, it worked, let's try it again, oh, it didn't work again bollocks.

Jan Vertonghen's therapist would certainly be raking it in....

The way I see it, the squad didn't seem to respect Sherwood and they didn't seem to like him. Long term it would have been a disaster.

I wanted Rafa Benitez but i'm happy with where we are now with Poch. There's still stuff to work on - tactical tweaks, improving subs - but he seems to be building an excellent team spirit and a good base for success. Plus, we have a cup final which makes me very, very happy.

 

[XSuicideBunnyX]

He seems obsessed with getting a long contract, instead of taking a short term opportunity, and proving himself worthy of one.

Well, to be fair, his biggest pay day to date has been a severance fee.

 

[CowInAComa]

The fact that Poch doesnt seem to be demanding 30m players as integral to his plan left right and centre can only help his longevity when it comes to levy.

 

[Mullers]

No "Indifferent to who we appointed because Levy's masterstrokes only last 18 months anyway" option?

That's pretty much where I was but i'm pleased with how things are going and am actually hopeful that he (Levy) has actually hit upon something this time. People are saying they'd like to see him in charge next season but I think we need him in place longer than that, regardless of how we do next year. The rewards for sticking by him through thick and thin could be huge if we show patience and let him build.

Pretty much this but if Southampton finish above us (and I don't expect them to) the shit will hit the fan around here. Not only do I think Levy is not capable of sticking with Poch through thick and thin I don't think most supporters are capable of doing that either. Just look at how some Arsenal fans have turned against Wenger.

 

[marion52]

Like many others, with the managerial merry go round we have suffered as Spurs fans, I really didn't have a clue who should manage us after Tim. I was totally underwhelmed when Poch was announced and worried how it was going following a few home defeats.
He is winning me over as we have had a few good displays and team spirit looks good. However I have been watching Spurs for too long to trust/believe this will continue and I am holding my breath waiting for the annual implode which seems to happen around now.

 

[Rout-Ledge]

I don't think anyone would swap him for LVG now, so that's something.

I'm still not convinced by Poch's tactical approach to certain games, but results wise in the last few months (I.e after he worked out his best team) he's been very successful.

 

[TheVoiceofReason]

Pretty much this but if Southampton finish above us (and I don't expect them to) the shit will hit the fan around here. Not only do I think Levy is not capable of sticking with Poch through thick and thin I don't think most supporters are capable of doing that either. Just look at how some Arsenal fans have turned against Wenger.

Maybe it's my Poch-tinted glasses, but I feel that southhamptons current league position has AS MUCH to do with Poch as it does Koeman. Football is psychological, and he without doubt completely changed the mentality at Southhampton, and looks to be doing the same here.

I really think Poch could be our manager for the next 5 years.

 

[THFC_67]

Voted for Benitez in the poll back in the summer as I felt we needed a bit of experience but wasn't against either De Boer or Poch.

Glad we hired Poch though, happy with the way things are going. I like the way he conducts himself, like the fighting spirit, the fitness, late winning goals, the promotion of youth, the beginnings of a winning mentality and that there seems to be a real feel good factor about the squad.

Plenty to work on though and a long way to go, but I've no problem with giving him plenty of time and hope he gets it. Very encouraging so far and excited for the future.

 

[SteveH]

Voted for Benitez in the poll back in the summer as I felt we needed a bit of experience but wasn't against either De Boer or Poch.

Glad we hired Poch though, happy with the way things are going. I like the way he conducts himself, like the fighting spirit, the fitness, late winning goals, the promotion of youth, the beginnings of a winning mentality and that there seems to be a real feel good factor about the squad.

Plenty to work on though and a long way to go, but I've no problem with giving him plenty of time and hope he gets it. Very encouraging so far and excited for the future.

Saves me having to type this.

Just to add this for me this is the best Spurs football I have seen for a very long time. Bale and Modric lit our team up but this current group have shown they are a cut above any that preceded them they now show fight and passion. There is still much work to do but we have the right man for the job.

Sadly we will see some big departures this summer as we clean house, the mess we made of the transfers market of summer 2013 makes Mauricio Pochettino work even more impressive. Long may it continue.

 

[Mullers]

Maybe it's my Poch-tinted glasses, but I feel that southhamptons current league position has AS MUCH to do with Poch as it does Koeman. Football is psychological, and he without doubt completely changed the mentality at Southhampton, and looks to be doing the same here.

I really think Poch could be our manager for the next 5 years.

Is our current league position as much to do with Sherwood as it does Poch?