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grittyspur1

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A budding coach without having played professional football, a la AVB.:p
Confusing statement. Unlike AVB, Pochetino has played professional football : for Newell's in Argentina (Messi's team) & the Argentine National Team; Espanyol , Bordeaux & PSG in Europe.
 

chinaman

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Confusing statement. Unlike AVB, Pochetino has played professional football : for Newell's in Argentina (Messi's team) & the Argentine National Team; Espanyol , Bordeaux & PSG in Europe.


I clarified my comment later on. I meant the 17-year-old who wrote the article.
 

Shadydan

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Luke
This post will look at Pochettino's philosophy and tactical ideology which he will likely implement at Tottenham Hotspur. Based on his work at Espanyol and Southampton, his tutelage under Marco "El Loco" Bielsa and the type of players he employs on the pitch.

(I cannot guarantee this is how Spurs will play, you never know with young coaches how they will develop as a coach and how they will edit their system among a different group of players.)

Let's start with a likely starting XI:

BoqkjouIgAAvbil.png:large


On paper, Mauricio Pochettino's team usually sets out in a 4-2-3-1 shape. The team presses very high up the pitch, a la Bielsa. The back 4 and 2 holding mids push the team forward as quickly as possible in the game before the 2 CB's take up their positions close to/ on the halfway line (Dawson will play in a high line again! :rolleyes:). The idea behind this is to win the ball back up the pitch as high as possible, to keep the opposition away from our goal and to maximise the chances created through winning the ball closer to the oppositions goal. It's a high paced, exciting brand of football which requires a lot of energy and fitness from our own players. While this can lead to an entertaining and dominating brand of football, it will require a lot of effort from our players and, if, executed poorly can lead to our team fading in the later stages of games. However it is important to realise Mauricio Pochettino has been employing this style of play for all of his management career and with better players and facilities at his disposal, I'm sure he can make it work at Tottenham Hotspur.

Pochettino's Southampton enjoyed the highest average amount of possession during last seasons Premier League:

Rank Team Average Possession
1 Southampton 58.6%
2 Manchester City 57.6%
3 Swansea 57.3%
4 Arsenal 56.8%
5 Liverpool 55.8%
6 Everton 55.6%

This is a very impressive statistic which is also vital to ensure that when Poch's teams lose the ball, they still have the energy to pressure their opponents and win the ball back as soon as possible. High amounts of possession are always beneficial to teams in the Premier League because of the quality of the opposition, 8 times out of 10 the premier league side you come up against has a player on the other team who can change the game in an instant, so it is important to minimise the time the opposition has the ball. Even more impressive is this statistic when you realise how many long balls on average Southampton played last season:

Rank Team Long Balls per game
1 Aston Villa 71
2 Southampton 70
3 Everton 68
4 Fulham 68
5 Hull 67
6 Sunderland 66
7 West Ham 66

This stat will be enjoyed by those who grew frustrated with AVB's patient build-up play between the CB's which often slowed down the tempo of our play and allowing the opposition to restore their defensive shape. This is another piece of evidence of Poch incorporating Bielsa's philosophy into his own game. Instead of patient build-up play which features a lot of sideways passing, Poch's team looks to play vertical passes at every opportunity to speed up play and catch the opposition out of shape. This ppoint is supported also by these statistics:

Rank Team Short Passes per game
1 Arsenal 524
2 Swansea 506
3 Manchester City 502
4 Liverpool 469
5 Southampton 457
6 Manchester United 447
7 Chelsea 432

Rank Pass Success% Rank Possession % Team Difference between ranks
1 2 Manchester City 1
2 4 Arsenal 2
3 3 Swansea 0
4 5 Liverpool 1
5 7 Manchester United 2
6 6 Everton 0
7 8 Chelsea 1
8 9 Tottenham 1
9 1 Southampton 8

These show that Southampton have been remarkably capable of maintaining an overwhelming and dominant style of play without boring the opposition to death, instead by coming at them time and time again in a direct and unsubtle fashion.

Southampton played many of these long balls to Rickie Lambert, who could use his heading ability to either flick the ball on or play it down to an onrushing Rodriguez or Lallana. At Spurs, Adebayor is the closest we have to Rickie Lambert, and I'm fully expecting Ade to be moved on this summer (wages, attitude, Monaco :cautious:) so either we buy a similar type of forward to Lambert or we'll see Poch adapt to vertical passes played along the floor to Soldado.

In possession, it's likely we'll see Spurs take this shape:

Boqkm9CIMAAJaht.png:large


A1: The 2 CB's spread wide in order to martial the halfway line and provide support to the WBs and the two holding mids.

A2: This line of 4 support the front men and offer maximal protection allowing the WBs to push forward with the front men. They offer a solid base from which to retain possession, preventing this job to be done by the CBs therefore speeding up play and allowing the CBs to pull the opposition strikers wide with them, removing them from the danger areas.

A3: The front 4 are again evidence of Bielsa's influence on Pochettino. The front 4 feature 1 playmaker, 2 inverted wingers and one striker. The playmaker allows for the front 3 to interchange positions efficiently as the playmaker occupies any space opened up by the forwards movements. The playmaker is also tasked with linking midfield to attack, it is likely this role will be occupied by Eriksen or Holtby next season.

A4: This is where the front 3, supported by the playmaker, look to fill up the box and overload the opposing CBs, also dragging the opposition WBs inside with them, creating space for the WBs to run into and provide crosses into the box making use of the amount of people in the box to aim at. The front 3 next season are likely to be Chadli, Soldado and Lamela, players who can all operate inside the box and between the lines of defense and midfield, all are able to get on the end of crosses and make intelligent runs to create and exploit space.

In defense, Pochettino's Southampton were one of the most organised and effective units in the premier league, coming second to the eventual champions, Manchester City:

Rank Team Shots conceded per game
1 Manchester City 9.5
2 Southampton 9.6
3 Chelsea 10.4
4 Tottenham 11.2
5 Manchester United 11.9

In defense, Pochettino's side looked to minimise the space occupied by the oppositions creative players, playing a narrow formation resembling something like this:

BoqkqLhIQAIHd95.png:large


D1: This space is closed down and minimised by the 2 Cbs and 2 holding mids, meaning the opposition has little space from which to play killer balls and have shots at goal.

D2: This is where the ball is looked to be won back if the ball was not previously won back further up the pitch. If the ball is won here, the arrows demonstrate the counter attacking movement, this is the area where Poch's side likes to pressure an opposition midfielder into making a mistake so they can break at speed with the two strikers pulling out wide to stretch the caught out opposition CBs.

This is where I find hope for a reconciliation of the destructive midfield partnership of Dembele and Sandro. Both are great complements to the other and are easily capable of winning the ball back effectively and moving it out wide or forwards. Pochettino's sode relys on effective tacklers, at Southampton, Schneiderlin and Wanyama were the midfield partnership when both were fit and their job was to provide the ball to the likes of Steve Davis or Lallana so they could take the ball forwards:

Rank Team Tackles per game
1 Liverpool 22.3
2 Crystal Palace 22.2
3 Southampton 21.2
4 Stoke 20.8
5 Manchester City 19.9

As we can see, Pochettino's teams have a very diverse and exciting brand of football which features:

1) A lot of possession

2) Many vertical passes

3) An organised defense

4) Many tackles

and

5)Little shots conceded

Now it is important for us to support our new leader even if he picks up some bad results earlier on. I know a lot of our fans are disappointed considering we were linked with huge names such as Louis Van Gaal and Frank De Boer but believe me, we have a very exciting coach who has a lot of potential to grow with us as a team. His man management skills are highly praised and he is incredibly intelligent. He is wary of the untrustworthy English media, it's why he used a translator to this date, so it is unlikely he'll embarrass us with Sherwood-esque soundbites. He is a respectful and modest coach who'll represent and lead us with dignity and grace. He'll likely realise the potential in our academy which is important in these modern times of financial fair play, it could be exciting times ahead with the emergence of the likes of Kane, Bentaleb, Pritchard, Carroll, Veljkovic and Coulthirst on the horizon.

Mourinho on Pochettino: "He shows so much passion for the game. He's excited to work, and a pleasure to watch."

Guardiola on Pochettino: "There are teams that wait for you and teams that look for you: Espanyol look for you."

Pep Guardiola on Pochettino's Espanyol: "I feel very close to Espanyol's style of football"

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(Stats via anythingbutpenalties.com, diagrams by me)

I reckon you should make this out to Poch and slip it under his door.
 

Spursidol

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It's yet to be seen, I certainly hope Poch can drill this speed of transitional play into him because when he and Sandro partner up in midfield they can dominate other teams and provide us with a strong protective base which will allow the attacking players more freedom.

Dominate yes. But their lack of quick passing ability causes them to need to 'carry'/dribble the ball forward which in turn slows play down to the same ponderous pace which we saw with AVB.

Need to get a passing CM in - TS tried Chadli there because he could pass but Chadli is not the solution. Holtby ticks lots of boxes for that role but maybe does not have the positional discipline. Tom Carroll and Ryan Mason could do that role, but as back ups IMO.
 

LukeBB

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Dominate yes. But their lack of quick passing ability causes them to need to 'carry'/dribble the ball forward which in turn slows play down to the same ponderous pace which we saw with AVB.

Need to get a passing CM in - TS tried Chadli there because he could pass but Chadli is not the solution. Holtby ticks lots of boxes for that role but maybe does not have the positional discipline. Tom Carroll and Ryan Mason could do that role, but as back ups IMO.
I definatley hope we see Carroll play more for the senior side next season as I rate him very highly, maybe Poch will recognise his potential, I'm sure he'll also appreciate Bentaleb's ability.

I'd love to see Mason begin to make an impact but I fear he'll never be able to shake off his injury problems, not enough to be picked over other prospects anyway :(
 

Spursidol

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I definatley hope we see Carroll play more for the senior side next season as I rate him very highly, maybe Poch will recognise his potential, I'm sure he'll also appreciate Bentaleb's ability.

I'd love to see Mason begin to make an impact but I fear he'll never be able to shake off his injury problems, not enough to be picked over other prospects anyway :(

I fear for Mason with his injuies too - but he played in over 20 games this season, better than recent seasons so the injuries may be behind him or at least manageable. As Carroll is counted as an u21 next season then we could have both Carroll and Mason in a squad to cover a top class passing CM assuming that Poch thinks Carroll is too big a risk to be an automatic starter. Excelllent rotation that way, which would help out with Poch's high tempo game
 

SpartanSpur

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Fantastic opening post, and a great read.

Whilst the parallels with AVB are abundant and a concern, I think it is clear that there is a certain variation in his tactics on the ball compared to AVB towards the more direct and attacking side. We also know he has implemented his system with success not only in this league, but also with a team that has far from the strongest squad and one without world class talents to rely on, very much unlike AVB.

I know we all worry about him being AVB but I don't think he was the extreme failure many make him out to be. He brought us on in many ways, especially our improvement in away form, but in the end lost it due to his stubbornness with Adebayor and not loosening the shackles at home. If he had done those simple things I think he'd still be in a job, and we may well have been in the CL next season. Whilst the lack of plan B in Pochettino's career to date suggests that he may also be stubborn, it has been noted that he has already adapted his style to be more direct to suit the PL, so hopefully he can continue to grow with us as a coach.

Poch is a gamble, and there are many questions yet to be answered but I'm certainly excited for next season.
 

dudu

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Been away for a while but its great to get back on and read a post like this. Poch has also shown he is capable of successfully getting players who have been brought up playing the game with different philosophies, playing cohesively.

Really happy we got this done.
 

E8spur

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Great post @LukeBB - thanks for all the effort you must have put into it.

Good to know you're doing your coaching badges - going by your post, there's a classy football manager in there just waiting to get out.
 

LukeBB

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Would have been nice to have added a link and some credit to my original post that you took the stats and some of the ideas from, rather than just a tiny bit in brackets at the bottom. Well here it is:

http://anythingbutpenalties.com/2014/05/24/mauricio-pochettino-through-statistics/
I didn't give credit because I don't need to, I used your statistics yes but everything else was written in my own style and with my own opinions. If you think there are any overlaps I can only put this down to people can only write so much about the same style of football.

Re-reading your article, I haven't used anything but your presentation of statistics, I made my own interpretations of the stats and I din't put in a link because I gave my audience the credit to look and find it for themselves.

Welcome to the site btw.
 

ABPSpurs

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You added a lot of your own points, which incidentally I enjoyed reading, and some nice diagrams. However, you have used each statistic I highlighted, exactly cut and pasted and no additional ones. Most obvious is the copy of my comparison of passing success and possession (not just a straight statistic).

It's ok, but as I say, a link would have been appreciated.
 

LukeBB

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You added a lot of your own points, which incidentally I enjoyed reading, and some nice diagrams. However, you have used each statistic I highlighted, exactly cut and pasted and no additional ones. Most obvious is the copy of my comparison of passing success and possession (not just a straight statistic).

It's ok, but as I say, a link would have been appreciated.
Ok, I'm sorry if you feel that way, to make it up to you I will put a link in the OP. :)
 

MR_BEN

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This post will look at Pochettino's philosophy and tactical ideology which he will likely implement at Tottenham Hotspur. Based on his work at Espanyol and Southampton, his tutelage under Marco "El Loco" Bielsa and the type of players he employs on the pitch.

(I cannot guarantee this is how Spurs will play, you never know with young coaches how they will develop as a coach and how they will edit their system among a different group of players.)

Let's start with a likely starting XI:

BoqkjouIgAAvbil.png:large


On paper, Mauricio Pochettino's team usually sets out in a 4-2-3-1 shape. The team presses very high up the pitch, a la Bielsa. The back 4 and 2 holding mids push the team forward as quickly as possible in the game before the 2 CB's take up their positions close to/ on the halfway line (Dawson will play in a high line again! :rolleyes:). The idea behind this is to win the ball back up the pitch as high as possible, to keep the opposition away from our goal and to maximise the chances created through winning the ball closer to the oppositions goal. It's a high paced, exciting brand of football which requires a lot of energy and fitness from our own players. While this can lead to an entertaining and dominating brand of football, it will require a lot of effort from our players and, if, executed poorly can lead to our team fading in the later stages of games. However it is important to realise Mauricio Pochettino has been employing this style of play for all of his management career and with better players and facilities at his disposal, I'm sure he can make it work at Tottenham Hotspur.

Pochettino's Southampton enjoyed the highest average amount of possession during last seasons Premier League:

Rank Team Average Possession
1 Southampton 58.6%
2 Manchester City 57.6%
3 Swansea 57.3%
4 Arsenal 56.8%
5 Liverpool 55.8%
6 Everton 55.6%

This is a very impressive statistic which is also vital to ensure that when Poch's teams lose the ball, they still have the energy to pressure their opponents and win the ball back as soon as possible. High amounts of possession are always beneficial to teams in the Premier League because of the quality of the opposition, 8 times out of 10 the premier league side you come up against has a player on the other team who can change the game in an instant, so it is important to minimise the time the opposition has the ball. Even more impressive is this statistic when you realise how many long balls on average Southampton played last season:

Rank Team Long Balls per game
1 Aston Villa 71
2 Southampton 70
3 Everton 68
4 Fulham 68
5 Hull 67
6 Sunderland 66
7 West Ham 66

This stat will be enjoyed by those who grew frustrated with AVB's patient build-up play between the CB's which often slowed down the tempo of our play and allowing the opposition to restore their defensive shape. This is another piece of evidence of Poch incorporating Bielsa's philosophy into his own game. Instead of patient build-up play which features a lot of sideways passing, Poch's team looks to play vertical passes at every opportunity to speed up play and catch the opposition out of shape. This ppoint is supported also by these statistics:

Rank Team Short Passes per game
1 Arsenal 524
2 Swansea 506
3 Manchester City 502
4 Liverpool 469
5 Southampton 457
6 Manchester United 447
7 Chelsea 432

Rank Pass Success% Rank Possession % Team Difference between ranks
1 2 Manchester City 1
2 4 Arsenal 2
3 3 Swansea 0
4 5 Liverpool 1
5 7 Manchester United 2
6 6 Everton 0
7 8 Chelsea 1
8 9 Tottenham 1
9 1 Southampton 8

These show that Southampton have been remarkably capable of maintaining an overwhelming and dominant style of play without boring the opposition to death, instead by coming at them time and time again in a direct and unsubtle fashion.

Southampton played many of these long balls to Rickie Lambert, who could use his heading ability to either flick the ball on or play it down to an onrushing Rodriguez or Lallana. At Spurs, Adebayor is the closest we have to Rickie Lambert, and I'm fully expecting Ade to be moved on this summer (wages, attitude, Monaco :cautious:) so either we buy a similar type of forward to Lambert or we'll see Poch adapt to vertical passes played along the floor to Soldado.

In possession, it's likely we'll see Spurs take this shape:

Boqkm9CIMAAJaht.png:large


A1: The 2 CB's spread wide in order to martial the halfway line and provide support to the WBs and the two holding mids.

A2: This line of 4 support the front men and offer maximal protection allowing the WBs to push forward with the front men. They offer a solid base from which to retain possession, preventing this job to be done by the CBs therefore speeding up play and allowing the CBs to pull the opposition strikers wide with them, removing them from the danger areas.

A3: The front 4 are again evidence of Bielsa's influence on Pochettino. The front 4 feature 1 playmaker, 2 inverted wingers and one striker. The playmaker allows for the front 3 to interchange positions efficiently as the playmaker occupies any space opened up by the forwards movements. The playmaker is also tasked with linking midfield to attack, it is likely this role will be occupied by Eriksen or Holtby next season.

A4: This is where the front 3, supported by the playmaker, look to fill up the box and overload the opposing CBs, also dragging the opposition WBs inside with them, creating space for the WBs to run into and provide crosses into the box making use of the amount of people in the box to aim at. The front 3 next season are likely to be Chadli, Soldado and Lamela, players who can all operate inside the box and between the lines of defense and midfield, all are able to get on the end of crosses and make intelligent runs to create and exploit space.

In defense, Pochettino's Southampton were one of the most organised and effective units in the premier league, coming second to the eventual champions, Manchester City:

Rank Team Shots conceded per game
1 Manchester City 9.5
2 Southampton 9.6
3 Chelsea 10.4
4 Tottenham 11.2
5 Manchester United 11.9

In defense, Pochettino's side looked to minimise the space occupied by the oppositions creative players, playing a narrow formation resembling something like this:

BoqkqLhIQAIHd95.png:large


D1: This space is closed down and minimised by the 2 Cbs and 2 holding mids, meaning the opposition has little space from which to play killer balls and have shots at goal.

D2: This is where the ball is looked to be won back if the ball was not previously won back further up the pitch. If the ball is won here, the arrows demonstrate the counter attacking movement, this is the area where Poch's side likes to pressure an opposition midfielder into making a mistake so they can break at speed with the two strikers pulling out wide to stretch the caught out opposition CBs.

This is where I find hope for a reconciliation of the destructive midfield partnership of Dembele and Sandro. Both are great complements to the other and are easily capable of winning the ball back effectively and moving it out wide or forwards. Pochettino's sode relys on effective tacklers, at Southampton, Schneiderlin and Wanyama were the midfield partnership when both were fit and their job was to provide the ball to the likes of Steve Davis or Lallana so they could take the ball forwards:

Rank Team Tackles per game
1 Liverpool 22.3
2 Crystal Palace 22.2
3 Southampton 21.2
4 Stoke 20.8
5 Manchester City 19.9

As we can see, Pochettino's teams have a very diverse and exciting brand of football which features:

1) A lot of possession

2) Many vertical passes

3) An organised defense

4) Many tackles

and

5)Little shots conceded

Now it is important for us to support our new leader even if he picks up some bad results earlier on. I know a lot of our fans are disappointed considering we were linked with huge names such as Louis Van Gaal and Frank De Boer but believe me, we have a very exciting coach who has a lot of potential to grow with us as a team. His man management skills are highly praised and he is incredibly intelligent. He is wary of the untrustworthy English media, it's why he used a translator to this date, so it is unlikely he'll embarrass us with Sherwood-esque soundbites. He is a respectful and modest coach who'll represent and lead us with dignity and grace. He'll likely realise the potential in our academy which is important in these modern times of financial fair play, it could be exciting times ahead with the emergence of the likes of Kane, Bentaleb, Pritchard, Carroll, Veljkovic and Coulthirst on the horizon.

Mourinho on Pochettino: "He shows so much passion for the game. He's excited to work, and a pleasure to watch."

Guardiola on Pochettino: "There are teams that wait for you and teams that look for you: Espanyol look for you."

Pep Guardiola on Pochettino's Espanyol: "I feel very close to Espanyol's style of football"

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(Stats via http://anythingbutpenalties.com/2014/05/24/mauricio-pochettino-through-statistics/ , diagrams by me)
I think you lack a bit on detail.....
 
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