Andre Villas-Boas

[carpediem991]

Thanks for the rating OP. Was it a spam sandwich?

indeed. Let's cry about ratings.

 

[jambreck]

My point is that he was invloved in all those calls and that Harry had his shit too in delivering us to the promised land. Harry even got Bentley playing well when Lennon was out injured the very same season Modric was out. The point is that you can't suggest that AVB hasn't had the luck and Harry had more to work with. Harry made better use of his resources.

I realise that you were making a point to another poster about Harry also having to cope with injuries etc. That's fair enough. But it's not fair enough to do so by making statements that are just plain wrong! Fair enough?

Modric was out injured for three and a half months with his broken leg - not six months.

And the Modric sale was a fait accompli long before AVB arrived at the club. The player's head had completely gone. No way that we could have kept him against his will for a second season and expect him to maintain a first class standard for us. It was only a matter of when Madrid would pony up the dough. Nothing AVB could have done about it.

 

[CowInAComa]

Sounds like you're partying like it's 2012/13.

That party never ends

 

[jambreck]

A fading star maybe, but can we stop retailing the wanted leave nonsense. VdV has been clear that the only reason he listened to the offer from Hamburg was because AVB at the outset had made him feel unwanted.

VDV might well have stayed had AVB shown him more love. That's true. But it is also true that there were plenty of stories before AVB even joined the club that VDV would be happy to go back to Hamburg because that was where his wife had to be for work.

 

[sloth]

The problem is incredibly obvious but there are still some idiots who can't see it.

Goals For

1. Man City - 21
2. Arsenal - 20
3. Liverpool - 17
4. Chelsea - 16
5. Man Utd - 14
6. Everton - 14
7. Swansea - 12
8. Newcastle - 12
9. Southampton - 10
10. Tottenham - 9
11. Aston Villa - 9
12. Fulham - 9

I think we all agree on the problem, it's just some idiots can't see that we don't all agree on the solution. In fact some idiots can't see the difference between their opinion and the truth: I think it, therefore it's so...!

 

[sloth]

We definitely lack rhythm at the moment. I'm not sure where it comes from though? Sometimes I suspect it comes when you stop trying rather than try too hard. I think some people fear that we're being over-coached, that faced with a problem AVB always tries to find a coached solution, whereas what is required is a bit less structure and a bit more improvisation.

For myself I suspect the key will come in an early goal or two, and thus the team rediscovering what works.

I also think AVB needs to show a bit of flair along the line. We see other teams experimenting with different ways of playing, but AVB doggedly continues with what he's got and that makes us easier to plan against, stuff like three at the back and an extra striker would be interesting. Like any manager he also has favourites, and like any manager there's always one or two Carlton Palmer types amongst them - for instance I don't know why he insists on a like-for-like striker on the bench when he has Ade available, but it seems to be personality driven rather than what is best for the team.

Finally, anyone else think it's ironic that he criticise fans for having an opinion when he was a fan once with a critical opinion and it was by letting the manager know what he thought that he got his job?

 

[eddiebailey]

Just been on another thread and their was a team sheet from a few years ago; King, Modric, VDV, Bale (all world class), Ade on form, Lennon flying, BAE playing well, Kaboul & Sandro before injuries etc. Made me realise how much less AVB has than Harry did.

Guess we can't expect too much with the current crop and certainly not the quality of football this old side was capable of

That's the thing, Viewed uncharitably at the start of the season we might have said of them

Friedel, ancient, a hasbeen
Walker, shows promise, still a lot to prove
Kaboul, what did we bring thus flop back for?
King, can barely walk
Gallas, past it
BA-E, lackadaiscal and Alan Hansen says he's shit
Sandro, shows promise, still a lot to prove
Parker, never fulfilled his potential, none of the big clubs wanted him - typical Harry buy
Modric, yes okay he can play but not much use in a fight
Bale, talented, but what a wuss
VdV, on his way down, can't play 90 minutes
Adebayor, trouble-making mercenary, can't hit a barn door.

As for Dawson, Lennon and Defoe, people were saying then pretty much what they are saying now.

But because they got off to a flyer they were a great team and Harry should have done better with them.

Financially AVB has had given resources Harry could only dream of when he was obliged to bring in crocks like Nelsen and Saha on frees.

But a problem with AVB is that he does not see the way players fit together like Harry does, and does not let them play with any freedom; for him, as Tom Huddlestone once observed, "it is all about the manager, his ideas". And his ideas are not working, not with this squad in this league; or at least they are not working as well as he and we want them to do. Unless we get an early goal that forces teams to come out and play against us, we cannot break them down and end up resorting to potshots from distance or hoping for dubious penalties. And we are not even that hard to beat once we have been sussed out; Big Sam showed that.

I think we will do okay; because we have a lot of good players and AVB is no fool like Ramos. But with the talent at our disposal the potential is there to do better, and I am just not convinced that AVB is the manager to take us to the next level…

Just hope he proves capable of learning from his mistakes and proves me wrong.

 

[SargeantMeatCurtains]

indeed. Let's cry about ratings.

I'd love to buddy, but it appears your OP has stolen all of the ratings in this thread. Greedy

 

[Spurs_Bear]

We definitely lack rhythm at the moment. I'm not sure where it comes from though? Sometimes I suspect it comes when you stop trying rather than try too hard. I think some people fear that we're being over-coached, that faced with a problem AVB always tries to find a coached solution, whereas what is required is a bit less structure and a bit more improvisation.

For myself I suspect the key will come in an early goal or two, and thus the team rediscovering what works.

I also think AVB needs to show a bit of flair along the line. We see other teams experimenting with different ways of playing, but AVB doggedly continues with what he's got and that makes us easier to plan against, stuff like three at the back and an extra striker would be interesting. Like any manager he also has favourites, and like any manager there's always one or two Carlton Palmer types amongst them - for instance I don't know why he insists on a like-for-like striker on the bench when he has Ade available, but it seems to be personality driven rather than what is best for the team.

Finally, anyone else think it's ironic that he criticise fans for having an opinion when he was a fan once with a critical opinion and it was by letting the manager know what he thought that he got his job?

Exceptional post sloth.

 

[Dharmabum]

 

[Blake Griffin]

Spurs had 66 % of possession so they can't have played that bad against a team Hull have have played Chelsea, Man City and Everton, and lost 2-0, 2-0 and 2-1 respectively. Hull parked the bus, and it's not easy to open up such a defense.
Some fans are never satisfied. I've even seen Spurs fans complain that Barca are boring because they dominate so much with their tiki-taka football. When Barca got knocked out by Inter and Chelski recently, on their way to their respective CL wins, I doubt any of their fans complained despite of Barca have more than 75 % possession in all 4 of those games, as Inter and Chelski "competed" to play the most boring, defensive tactics a CL winner has ever employed.
Then there are those who claim that under Harry's reign Spurs never played dull football but always played the other team off the field. Not so, there were plenty of boring, dull, "non-creative" games under Harry.
Spurs are 4th with a team that has yet to gel - and yes, it can take almost a season for certain players to adjust to life in the EPL, not to speak of a whole team to gel...

possession claims another victim

anyone noticed how brendan "but we won the possession" rodgers' liverpool side have actually had far less possession in their games this season but are playing much better exciting effective football as a result? no? okay then.

 

[jezz]

To all those saying we lack invention, quick movement, passing, ideas and so forth.
You lack the one quality, which is paramount, patience.
To all those saying about southampton, they have scored err 10, 1 more than us, with a settled team i might add.

 

[jimtheyid]

If we had beaten West ham we would be joint top of the league.

 

[jambreck]

we are not even that hard to beat once we have been sussed out; Big Sam showed that.

A total of 4 losses in 31 Premier League games since December 9th 2012 suggests that Big Sam showed nothing of the sort.

It was a good day for West Ham and Big Sam. A bad day for Spurs and AVB. That is all.

 

[sloth]

To all those saying we lack invention, quick movement, passing, ideas and so forth.
You lack the one quality, which is paramount, patience.
To all those saying about southampton, they have scored err 10, 1 more than us, with a settled team i might add.

Why is it the one quality which is paramount?

 

[THX2208]

 

[jezz]

Why is it the one quality which is paramount?

this sums it up perfectly.

 

[sloth]

this sums it up perfectly.

First, I'm not sure why it's paramount over say perspicacity, wisdom etc...

Second, it all depends.

 

[jezz]

First, I'm not sure why it's paramount over say perspicacity, wisdom etc...

Second, it all depends.

So your in agreement im happy.

 

[sloth]

So your in agreement im happy.

Eh?