Ansu Fati

[Ghost Hardware]

They have long term injury on Julio Enciso. They'll play Fati behind the striker.
Read on Barca forum and they say that Fati has lost his explosiveness and probably isn't a winger any more,
best played in a shadow striker role. Think it's the move to us that wouold have been odd.

Ah yeah i forgot Enciso got injured. In that case it does make sense.

 

[Led Revolver]

I think what we have to remember is that Fati moving to Brighton is a good stop gap whilst Enciso is injured. If he goes back to Barcelona next season then Enciso comes back and it’s thanks for everything, and see you later.

We are trying to build a really good first XI right now. We don’t have the building blocks in place that Brighton already have. IF Fati had come in, played amazingly well and gone back to Barcelona, we’d have had to start building yet again. To play for Tottenham Hotspur is a privelege. We don’t want to become a club that builds players up for the so called bigger clubs. If we sign 2 or 3 top players that fit the way Ange wants to play, I’ve no problem with this at all.

Plus, I’ve never taken to players on loan quite the same way as players signed permanently. I appreciated Adebayor when he first joined, but didn’t feel like I could commit to him until he signed a contract. Ironically, it was after then that his form dropped. Just a personal thing really, and something we’re more than likely to see more and more of these days.

I wouldn’t be surprised to see Gift Orban suddenly back in the mix now.

 

[Lea]

Think you've missed the point @THFCSPURS19 was making. He was commenting about wspur saying that George Bannister has been right about almost everything the past few years

Apologies if I got it wrong, we all bit sore this morning

 

[jimmy-jojo]

Come on mate, that's a ridiculous comparison.

Gil was a cheap, bum on the bench signing - much like Lenglet was for us.

There is value there.

If Barca just wanted 40k a week towards wages, its worth it even just for one season, but Barca reportedly wanted full wages + fee for Fati.

You're looking upwards of £20m for 1 season. With an option, there is a high risk/high reward scenario: if he bombs, we're out 20m, if he tears it up we have a potential world class player below his market value.

Without an option, if he bombs we're still out 20m, but if he tears it up, we're out 20m and Barca get a potential world class player to reintegrate or sell for massive money. There is no upside for us.

Do we only measure ‘upsides’ in pounds and pence, nowadays?

Surely, the (most important?) upside to us is that we have had a player contributing to our success, if he does very well. If he would have helped us qualify for the CL then that is £20m well spent, IMO.

 

[wrd]

I feel bad for ITK.

This is how many of us assume the window is going to end up, even with ITK to the contrary. We just assume that efforts will be made, and they will frequently fall short.

so when people say “wait until the window closes!” This is how we expect the window to close…

It's so consistent, I noticed something where they're posters who think those who are angry at the club, simply don't understand thing's and that's why they're angry. Yes I certainly think that people take the insults too far but what I noticed is the way that those who think they know better talk down to the posters expressing their frustration. Anytime thing's start to look good, there's always a sarcastic comment which angles at making out people were stupid for their criticism of Levy.

I think now is as good a time as any to make the point before they disappear only to return and belittle those of us with concerns down the line. The reason for the expression of anger is not because people don't understand things. The reason for the anger is because it is an increase in volume to make their point because their side of the argument isn't acknowledged or listened to by those who think they know better. If you actually listened to people, if you actually admitted, that yes, the problems Spurs have do seem to happen repeatedly too many times and stopped speaking to people like they were morons. I promise you, the anger would dissipate in the vast amount of posts. Not saying you have to change sides, not saying you have to be negative towards the club or join the Levy out brigade. Just acknowledge that there is validity within the points behind the anger.

I feel like fucking shit calling it out but I'm so sick of the repeating cycles and I want the conversations to move forward. There's mutual understanding to be had and finding it will move the conversation forward and it might make us as a fanbase, have a voice that would be harder for the club to ignore.

 

[SUIYHA]

This thread wasn't even open a couple of days ago - he was on practically nobody's radar 24 hours ago and now everyone is having a meltdown. If we'd gone through any of these routes people would have these reactions:

• Loan him and he does well - why have we failed Ange by giving him a young talent that he built his season around only to let him go back to Barca, fuck you Levy
  
  
• Loan him and he flops - why are we taking Barca's finished deadwood instead of giving Ange a proper player, fuck you Levy
  
  
• Pull out of the deal - why are we not getting this player that I'd bragged to all my mates we were signing, fuck you Levy

We definitely need re-enforcements in attack but there's every risk that this guy could have ended up being another Giovanni Dos Santos / Bojan Krkic. Whether one of the top two "fuck you Levy"s is better than the third one is dependent on who we do end up bringing in. If we pulled out because we have a better option in mind then that's ok, if we didn't and we're planning to go into the season with the attack the way it currently is - not ok.

 

[Lea]

Indeed. Quite funny to have received that reply in light of my post yesterday though.

Did not stay up all night but apologies if misread your comment no offence intended we are all bit sore/upset this morning

 

[fecka]

It's so consistent, I noticed something where they're posters who think those who are angry at the club, simply don't understand thing's and that's why they're angry. Yes I certainly think that people take the insults too far but what I noticed is the way that those who think they know better talk down to the posters expressing their frustration. Anytime thing's start to look good, there's always a sarcastic comment which angles at making out people were stupid for their criticism of Levy.

I think now is as good a time as any to make the point before they disappear only to return and belittle those of us with concerns down the line. The reason for the expression of anger is not because people don't understand things. The reason for the anger is because it is an increase in volume to make their point because their side of the argument isn't acknowledged or listened to by those who think they know better. If you actually listened to people, if you actually admitted, that yes, the problems Spurs have do seem to happen repeatedly too many times and stopped speaking to people like they were morons. I promise you, the anger would dissipate in the vast amount of posts. Not saying you have to change sides, not saying you have to be negative towards the club or join the Levy out brigade. Just acknowledge that there is validity within the points behind the anger.

I feel like fucking shit calling it out but I'm so sick of the repeating cycles and I want the conversations to move forward. There's mutual understanding to be had and finding it will move the conversation forward and it might make us as a fanbase, have a voice that would be harder for the club to ignore.

I don't always agree with your opinions, but I just wanted to say that you are an exceptional poster on this forum and I always make time to read what you have to say even if I sometimes disagree.
I hope this post helps not only myself, but others to try to view things from another perspective at times instead of defaulting to name-calling, abuse, dissent, or anger as the primary reactions.

 

[THFCSPURS19]

Did not stay up all night but apologies if misread your comment no offence intended we are all bit sore/upset this morning

No worries pal

 

[RJR1949]

As I've said countless times Jorge Mendes is a snake and there's no point trying to do deals where he is heavily involved. I'm not saying it's his fault this time around, as I don't know but it's yet another deal where he has been front and centre of negotiation that has gone tits up.

100% agree.

 

[THFCSPURS19]

It's so consistent, I noticed something where they're posters who think those who are angry at the club, simply don't understand thing's and that's why they're angry. Yes I certainly think that people take the insults too far but what I noticed is the way that those who think they know better talk down to the posters expressing their frustration. Anytime thing's start to look good, there's always a sarcastic comment which angles at making out people were stupid for their criticism of Levy.

I think now is as good a time as any to make the point before they disappear only to return and belittle those of us with concerns down the line. The reason for the expression of anger is not because people don't understand things. The reason for the anger is because it is an increase in volume to make their point because their side of the argument isn't acknowledged or listened to by those who think they know better. If you actually listened to people, if you actually admitted, that yes, the problems Spurs have do seem to happen repeatedly too many times and stopped speaking to people like they were morons. I promise you, the anger would dissipate in the vast amount of posts. Not saying you have to change sides, not saying you have to be negative towards the club or join the Levy out brigade. Just acknowledge that there is validity within the points behind the anger.

I feel like fucking shit calling it out but I'm so sick of the repeating cycles and I want the conversations to move forward. There's mutual understanding to be had and finding it will move the conversation forward and it might make us as a fanbase, have a voice that would be harder for the club to ignore.

I think you're misinterpreting said posts - they're not saying people are stupid for their criticisms of Levy, it is that some criticisms of Levy are nonsensical and unhelpful to the general cause of wanting him out. I think the sarcastic posts yesterday were due to the fact that the same people bemoaning us being interested in Fati then lost their heads that we didn't go through with it (probably for genuinely justifiable reasons - i.e. no buy option).

 

[worcestersauce]

And round and round it goes, the cycle continues. You could see what was about to happen when the annual Llyal Thomas and George Bannister know fuck all posts were out.

They may or may not know fuck all but they know how to spot a pattern.

I'm actually happy for Brighton, they are making great choices, they're a breathe of fresh air for football and I'm glad they've been rewarded with securing a player like Fati for the season. I think it makes sense Barca don't want an option there, I think Brighton are making a good choice for this season and worrying about later, later. I think Spurs are in a different situation than Brighton, so I understand why we would want an option.

I don't think missing out on Fati is the concern for us at Spurs, it's not the specific nature of this deal, I don't think Spurs have done anything wrong in relation to this deal. The issue is the cyclical nature of this type of thing happening again and again, so predictable and in my mind unnecessary. I said a few weeks ago, when a problem occurs such as struggling with outgoings every season, it is not the problem reoccurring that is the issue. It is that we don't plan accordingly knowing full well that these problems will always be apart of it. It's like going underwater diving and not taking into consideration that access to oxygen may infringe on what's capable.

Be as happy as you like for Brighton they're still going in my grudge bank.

 

[wrd]

I think you're misinterpreting said posts - they're not saying people are stupid for their criticisms of Levy, it is that some criticisms of Levy are nonsensical and unhelpful to the general cause of wanting him out. I think the sarcastic posts yesterday were due to the fact that the same people bemoaning us being interested in Fati then lost their heads that we didn't go through with it (probably for genuinely justifiable reasons - i.e. no buy option).

Sorry I didn't mean the posts yesterday, I meant consistently over years.

I think some criticisms are wrong, I think often though, people choose to focus on the low hanging fruit posts and then conflate that entire side of the argument through that lens, like arguing over politics based on interviewing the man on the street, rather than the strongest critique.

 

[Ghost Hardware]

This thread wasn't even open a couple of days ago - he was on practically nobody's radar 24 hours ago and now everyone is having a meltdown. If we'd gone through any of these routes people would have these reactions:

• Loan him and he does well - why have we failed Ange by giving him a young talent that he built his season around only to let him go back to Barca, fuck you Levy
  
  
• Loan him and he flops - why are we taking Barca's finished deadwood instead of giving Ange a proper player, fuck you Levy
  
  
• Pull out of the deal - why are we not getting this player that I'd bragged to all my mates we were signing, fuck you Levy

We definitely need re-enforcements in attack but there's every risk that this guy could have ended up being another Giovanni Dos Santos / Bojan Krkic. Whether one of the top two "fuck you Levy"s is better than the third one is dependent on who we do end up bringing in. If we pulled out because we have a better option in mind then that's ok, if we didn't and we're planning to go into the season with the attack the way it currently is - not ok.

I don’t think many are specifically angry about loosing out in Fati specifically it’s more the nature of how it all developed that is frustrating and infuriating.

Essentially we have wanted this kid all summer according to ITK but had to wait until the close of the window… fair enough, I can understand that from Barca’s perspective. In the last two days we clearly must have diverted quite a bit of attention into getting this deal done. Probably even more than two days because we’ve wanted him for so long supposedly.

The fact we got to a point of booking a medical etc shows how much the club wanted him and were expecting it to get done. We were even told Ange talked to him and he was excited by the project. But then at the very last minute Levy pulls the deal.

Not going for him because Barca wouldn’t include an option is 100% the right call. Nobody really disputes that. But if that is why it fell apart why didn’t we stop negotiations from the first phone call rather than waisting time on a deal that was clearly doomed from the start.

Considering how much other work needs getting done this feels like a monumental waist of time and resources.

 

[JacoZA]

It's so consistent, I noticed something where they're posters who think those who are angry at the club, simply don't understand thing's and that's why they're angry. Yes I certainly think that people take the insults too far but what I noticed is the way that those who think they know better talk down to the posters expressing their frustration. Anytime thing's start to look good, there's always a sarcastic comment which angles at making out people were stupid for their criticism of Levy.

I think now is as good a time as any to make the point before they disappear only to return and belittle those of us with concerns down the line. The reason for the expression of anger is not because people don't understand things. The reason for the anger is because it is an increase in volume to make their point because their side of the argument isn't acknowledged or listened to by those who think they know better. If you actually listened to people, if you actually admitted, that yes, the problems Spurs have do seem to happen repeatedly too many times and stopped speaking to people like they were morons. I promise you, the anger would dissipate in the vast amount of posts. Not saying you have to change sides, not saying you have to be negative towards the club or join the Levy out brigade. Just acknowledge that there is validity within the points behind the anger.

I feel like fucking shit calling it out but I'm so sick of the repeating cycles and I want the conversations to move forward. There's mutual understanding to be had and finding it will move the conversation forward and it might make us as a fanbase, have a voice that would be harder for the club to ignore.

In fairness, people on the other side of that debate also get ridiculed. I mean - we literally have the term “BSoDL” for those deemed too comfortable with the way the club operates.

I genuinely think the best move is to not take any of this too seriously. The club, the results, the transfers, the debate, the ups and the downs. At the end of the day, we’re talking about a bunch of guys getting paid silly money to play a game for a living. Enjoy it, but if it upsets you - try and have a laugh at the surreality of it all.

 

[wrd]

I don't always agree with your opinions, but I just wanted to say that you are an exceptional poster on this forum and I always make time to read what you have to say even if I sometimes disagree.
I hope this post helps not only myself, but others to try to view things from another perspective at times instead of defaulting to name-calling, abuse, dissent, or anger as the primary reactions.

I really appreciate it mate, I think it highlights well what I'm trying to get across because I think most arguing stems from feeling not understood as opposed to disagreements. You saying you take the time to read is what mattered to me, arguably more so because you don't always agree.

 

[mil1lion]

If Barcelona fans could read Tottenham forums, they would be having a serious laugh at some of the meltdowns over not signing Ansu Fati. They're keen to push him out for a reason...

Not sure what they will think. They're my 2nd team and for me I would want him to return if he gets through the season without major injury and shows some of his previous form. I dont think Barca fans have been wanting him sold but the club needs to shift one if they want to bring in Felix. Saying that they dont actually have a lot of options on the left of attack. Gavi played there in the last game and it really didnt work well. Dembele used to cover either wing well but I've only seen Lamine and Raphina on the right. Torres has a couple of goals but has really benefitted from central areas. I think its strange they are letting Ansu go as they're not exactly packed in attack and certainly not on the left side.

For Spurs we are pretty packed on the left side. I think Son will play up top but we need a right sided player more than a left one. Seems a bit strange for both clubs. I think the issue is not as much about Ansu but more how we get so close only to pull the plug. It's something you should only do if another better option has come up which hasn't happened here. To pull put on terms the last moment is really poor considering you the terms should have been determined sooner.

 

[THFCSPURS19]

Essentially we have wanted this kid all summer according to ITK but had to wait until the close of the window… fair enough, I can understand that from Barca’s perspective. In the last two days we clearly must have diverted quite a bit of attention into getting this deal done. Probably even more than two days because we’ve wanted him for so long supposedly.

I genuinely don't recall this. I know he's been mentioned throughout the summer but I thought that was just saying he could be an option we turn to (think WLB said this a few times), rather than being someone we were actively chasing?

 

[rebrab]

As I've said countless times Jorge Mendes is a snake and there's no point trying to do deals where he is heavily involved. I'm not saying it's his fault this time around, as I don't know but it's yet another deal where he has been front and centre of negotiation that has gone tits up.

Yep, and you said this from the outset

 

[JacoZA]

Personally, I blame everyone who made Fati/Ndombele jokes. This deal collapsed due to karma.