AVB needs to stop playing Caulker and Naughton together

[sloth]

Its a building process for me.

The fullback situation will be interesting. Walker/Smith Benny/Rose is for me the future...
Rose may not play ball though. If not would like to see a replacement bought in maybe cheeky bid for young Shaw (too expensive?)

Kyle N. sadly is not a top four full back.

Don't rate Rose tbh.

 

[SpurSince57]

So far, the players in question have been integral parts of our undefeated run and, to date, relatively successful season.

I'm absolutely dumbfounded that they get dug out again and again for errors when their positive contributions are overlooked completely by all bar a handful.

Every win they are part of will see them increase in confidence, FFS they are kids in reality, years away from their prime and doing a pretty stand out job in the most competitive league on the planet.

But some on here expect WC performances every week and whine when you don't get them.

Fuck me there's some drop kicks on here

More specifically, they've been part of a defence which has continued to be as solid as it was under Harry, despite having been without its first-choice CB and LB; quite simply, at no point in our history have we conceded so few goals across several consecutive seasons.

We, or some of us, just seem to love dwelling on the negatives and ignoring the positives. This has reminded me of the shit Stalteri and Lee used to get seven years ago, with the weekly 'Stalteri should be strung up' threads, blithely ignoring the fact that they were virtually onmipresent during a season in which we conceded just one goal a game on average.

 

[alamo]

More specifically, they've been part of a defence which has continued to be as solid as it was under Harry, despite having been without its first-choice CB and LB; quite simply, at no point in our history have we conceded so few goals across several consecutive seasons.

We, or some of us, just seem to love dwelling on the negatives and ignoring the positives. This has reminded me of the shit Stalteri and Lee used to get seven years ago, with the weekly 'Stalteri should be strung up' threads, blithely ignoring the fact that they were virtually onmipresent during a season in which we conceded just one goal a game on average.

I think the main difference is that when they were with us we used to sit deep with 2 banks of four and defend.

What I like about the current team is that they manage to combine that solidity with more attacking flair.

 

[Ionman34]

Don't rate Rose tbh.

Oh I do Sloth.

One of the benefits of living out in Oz is that you get to watch virtually every single PL game played. I have watched Sunderland a good few times and Rose has stood out like, well, a Rose amongst Lillies. The reason the Sunderland fans bang on about him so much is that he really does look a higher quality player than those around him. His composure on the ball, his strength in possession and his ability to pick a pass being just part of his obvious difference.

His time there has seen him take a quantum leap in his development, he really does look too good for them, as facetious as that sounds.

For me, he'll definitely be pushing Disco all the way if/when he comes back. It wouldn't surprise me if he takes the spot too, in the fullness of time.

 

[Ionman34]

More specifically, they've been part of a defence which has continued to be as solid as it was under Harry, despite having been without its first-choice CB and LB; quite simply, at no point in our history have we conceded so few goals across several consecutive seasons.

We, or some of us, just seem to love dwelling on the negatives and ignoring the positives. This has reminded me of the shit Stalteri and Lee used to get seven years ago, with the weekly 'Stalteri should be strung up' threads, blithely ignoring the fact that they were virtually onmipresent during a season in which we conceded just one goal a game on average.

I actually think that the defence has been far more solid than it was under H SS57.
Our goals against stats are actually quite misleading as we conceded a few, early doors, when AVB was getting the back line in order. Once his philosophy clicked, we've really had no one put together more than a small handful of chances against us for months. Even Utd, with their vaunted attacking prowess, barely troubled Lloris.
It's telling that the errors that are picked up on are so specific, because they are so rare. Unlike some, I expect that our fullbacks are going to come under some severe pressure. They are young and relatively inexperienced so they will be targeted. Errors will always occur in those scenarios, yet they rarely end up as a goal, testament to their ability to either recover or the defensive unit as a whole working together. They're learning and, IMO, learning well. Walker has not been as good as last season, the fact that he is now coming out of that blip in form shows he is learning well and his strength of character. Naughton is filling in, showing versatility and a lot of composure. So many writing him off here, I actually think he'll turn into a quality player over time.

On Stalteri and Lee, I loved Lee at left back, thought he was solid and a real threat going forward. Stalteri I was lukewarm with. He was relatively reliable but did seem to be the 'weak link' of the back line. It did seem that opposition had the greatest joy when they attacked down our right, although he never once deserved the vitriole he got. I personally don't think that any Spurs player does though, but that's just me and my views of what the word 'Supporter' actually means.

 

[sloth]

Oh I do Sloth.

One of the benefits of living out in Oz is that you get to watch virtually every single PL game played. I have watched Sunderland a good few times and Rose has stood out like, well, a Rose amongst Lillies. The reason the Sunderland fans bang on about him so much is that he really does look a higher quality player than those around him. His composure on the ball, his strength in possession and his ability to pick a pass being just part of his obvious difference.

His time there has seen him take a quantum leap in his development, he really does look too good for them, as facetious as that sounds.

For me, he'll definitely be pushing Disco all the way if/when he comes back. It wouldn't surprise me if he takes the spot too, in the fullness of time.

I remember O'Hara standing out at Portsmouth too!

 

[wishkah]

Oh I do Sloth.

One of the benefits of living out in Oz is that you get to watch virtually every single PL game played. I have watched Sunderland a good few times and Rose has stood out like, well, a Rose amongst Lillies. The reason the Sunderland fans bang on about him so much is that he really does look a higher quality player than those around him. His composure on the ball, his strength in possession and his ability to pick a pass being just part of his obvious difference.

His time there has seen him take a quantum leap in his development, he really does look too good for them, as facetious as that sounds.

For me, he'll definitely be pushing Disco all the way if/when he comes back. It wouldn't surprise me if he takes the spot too, in the fullness of time.

This makes me smile. Thanks for postings a well balanced piece of insight.

Rose is a player I near enough have written off, his career is one i expected to trundle past.

But if he has gone upt north, worked hard, improved and pushed on to the next level then fair play to the lad. I, like many others, have a tendency to write players off of their not in the 1st 11 by 21. The problem with our media age. Hope he comes back next season and proves me wrong and adds to the squad.

Ooooooh baby it's like a kiss from a ....

 

[SteveH]

I remember O'Hara standing out at Portsmouth too!

Nah Rose has question mark over him with long term fitness. But I would have him back in a heartbeat. I can only agree with Ionman34.

Danny said he wont come back to sit the bench which could be a problem.

 

[sloth]

Nah Rose has question mark over him with long term fitness. But I would have him back in a heartbeat. I can only agree with Ionman34.

Danny said he wont come back to sit the bench which could be a problem.

You don't agree with the O'hara parallel?

What long-term fitness issues?

Did you rate him before he went to Sunderland?

If you rate him more highly now, what's changed your opinion of him?

 

[Riandor]

Nah Rose has question mark over him with long term fitness. But I would have him back in a heartbeat. I can only agree with Ionman34.

Danny said he wont come back to sit the bench which could be a problem.

The he has to decide where his future lies. Mid table or lower, playing regularly, or competing for honours but being part of a squad that is rotated and has some strength in depth.

If he has proven himself at Sunderland, comes back and trains hard, he will get game time. AVB has proven that exactly by being willing to play Naughton, Caulker, etc...

I think Spurs are glad that he is really settling in as a LB player and gaining valuable loan experience rather than drifting in and out of general left sided positions at Spurs.

I hope he comes bac to compete for a place in our team and gives it a real shot. He is still young enough to leave after a season or two back at spurs if things don't work out.

 

[SteveH]

You don't agree with the O'hara parallel?

He was good yes but - I'm not sure of the parallel.

What long-term fitness issues?

Seems to suffer with Hamstring problems - could be a age thing.

Did you rate him before he went to Sunderland?

Yes big time - was surprised we let him out on loan because of Benny's long term problems.

If you rate him more highly now, what's changed your opinion of him?

I really believed he looked to BEA as to his blueprint. Started to play quit similar to Benny's style when given the chance.

I'm a bit of a Danny fan.

 

[Bus-Conductor]

Ohhhhh. Is that how it works Beecie? So when Dembele came on for Huddletron in that game and didn't 'positively shine in comparison', what does that say?

Stop it.

Except when Dembele came on we did look better. Not much, but at least a little bit. And this despite Hudd not being "a non footballer faking a living at it like Naughton", Whereas when Walker came on we didn't. Not even an eeny weenie bit. nada. But your defence of Walker is touching. Nearly useful even.

 

[Spurs_Bear]

Except when Dembele came on we did look better. Not much, but at least a little bit. And this despite Hudd not being "a non footballer faking a living at it like Naughton", Whereas when Walker came on we didn't. Not even an eeny weenie bit. nada. But your defence of Walker is touching. Nearly useful even.

Is that measured using the Duckworth Lewis method?

 

[si_yidarmy]

With Caulker it is only a matter of time before he becomes truly solid. Naughton is obviously a left back and it pains me to see him struggle on the right hand side. He has a lot of potential and maybe playing him on the right, although risky, will improve his overall game?

 

[Bus-Conductor]

Is that measured using the Duckworth Lewis method?

Don't be a ****. I used a littlebitometer obviously.

 

[Spurs_Bear]

Don't be a ****. I used a littlebitometer obviously.

I thought that was only used in windy conditions. My mistake.

 

[Bus-Conductor]

I thought that was only used in windy conditions. My mistake.

And in areas where there's a high wanker density.

 

[Spurs_Bear]

And in areas where there's a high wanker density.

I knew I was familiar with the term.

 

[steve]

You don't agree with the O'hara parallel?

What long-term fitness issues?

Did you rate him before he went to Sunderland?

If you rate him more highly now, what's changed your opinion of him?

I thought he'd explained his strengths earlier.

O'Hara and his time at Pompey has nothing to do with Rose and his time at Sunderland, nothing at all - you must judge the players on their individual skill sets. Rose is quick, tenacious, a good technician, positionally sound and gets forward really well - this is what I've seen when I've watched him for Sunderland this season. The biggest boost has been playing every week which has seen his confidence grow, something he never had at Spurs. He's also a bit older which will help.

I hope he comes back and it wouldn't surprise me to see him challenge Benny all the way for LB - longer term he's a more viable option certainly.

I never thought he'd make it at Spurs but after watching his improvement at Sunderland I think he's got a great chance now and that'll be a massive bonus considering he's English and homegrown.

I liked O'Hara and thought his short passing game was good but he suffered due to a slow, unathletic physique and at times his first touch was questionable as well as his tracking of players off the ball. He could certainly do a job for quite a few lower Prem teams but at Spurs the bar was set very high in his position. I think Rose is considerably better pound for pound and has started to become a specialist LB which has helped him enormously.

 

[Bus-Conductor]

Must admit I'm struggling to reconcile the Rose I last saw in a Spurs shirt with this new improved uber Rose that a few are saying they have seen at Sunderland. More's to the point, I can't understand why anyone would, of their own volition, watch Sunderland.

I did watch him play for Eng U21's not so long ago and he looked decent enough. What I don't understand is, we knew Ekotto had a long term injury when we sent him off on loan, why not keep him and play him. He'd have had at least half a season and we wouldn't have had to play a CB and RB there.