Berbatov , are other clubs prepared to put their money where their mouth is ?

[Sbix]

Doubt any Spurs fan could begrudge Berbs' moving on to the likes of Barca/Milan/Inter etc, playing in an enviroment to best show his true world class talent.

A bitter pill to swallow, true, but a realism of where our club are presently at.

What? IF Berbatov leaves i won't give a shit how his career goes. I sheer for Spurs, and the players who wear our shirt. And he is not yet a legend to be remembered after his days in Lilywhite!

If he wants to leave then f***ing cash in. If he wants to stay, the brill. He can then hopefully help us overtake the scum!

 

[nicdic]

Poyet seemed pretty adamant that he had up until this time to decide so the club could find a replacement if need be, I think they just want to avoid Berba leaving last minute. This is a good thing imo, the last thing we want is berbagate dragging on until the end of August.

Thats the slant SSN put on it. What Poyet actually said was that he's been given a program, and they hope he sticks to it, and is due back for pre season on the 3rd July.

There is also new ITK, which states, Ramos wants his team to have the whole of pre season, so if Berba is here on the 3rd of July he's staying.

 

[Rupstoh]

fuck off we would have been relegated without his contribution... in some ways we would have been better off as we wouldnt have been playing as a one man team with everything going through him...

so where do you sit?

 

[shelfsideyid]

What? IF Berbatov leaves i won't give a shit how his career goes. I sheer for Spurs, and the players who wear our shirt. And he is not yet a legend to be remembered after his days in Lilywhite!

If he wants to leave then f***ing cash in. If he wants to stay, the brill. He can then hopefully help us overtake the scum!

No what your saying mate, i'm 120% a Spurs fan first & foremost, and agree Berbs is not yet a Spurs Ledg' (but will be rememberd for a long time) and love him to stay.
(we all want closure one way or t'other)

But also i'm a football fan, who drools over the magic of players like Messi/Ronaldihno et al. And if Milan/Real etc pay £25-£30mill' for Berbs' I would love watching him play. :bowdown:

 

[SpurSince57]

you see Striebs this is the type of post that actually makes me want to see Berbs go to somewhere like Chelsea and score a stack of goals for them - (not against us tho

I think Berbs is a great player but if our fans don't want him he's better off gone

So how exactly do you expect people to feel, DC? Berbatov's not stupid, he could end this speculation with two words and shut his agent up or fire him, but he's done neither and continues to dick us about. People are unhappy and have every right to be.

Funny how when Chimbonda says he's only in it for the money everyone jumps on his case. At least he's being honest.

 

[lily_lane]

I still say Levy should come out and set the record straight once and for all! wether hes stated hes staying or wants to go, at least players fans, Ramos and coaching staff would know exactly whats going on.

I think it's pretty obvious that Levy has made it clear to Berba and Danchev in their meeting of a few weeks ago what his transfer valuation is and that he won't reduce it - hence the reason he's still our player.

What Danchev and Berbs, cos make no mistake, Berbs knows what his Agent does and says, wanted from Spurs was a "realistic" transfer valuation to make him more sellable and a more attractive prospect for the top clubs he wishes to join.
That clearly hasn't happened. As Football 365 said at the time of the meeting:
"Danchev is fed up cos Spurs refused to hang a for sale sign around Berbatov's neck".

 

[steve71075]

i can see him being here next year , although probably not to happy about it . i just don't see anybody matching the value we have put on him .

personaly myself i think he is one of the best players i've seen in a spurs shirt , but unless he comes out and shows some loyalty then i think its best he is sold prefeably abroad . the waving arms and general body language can't be having any postive effect on the team performance and i actualy believe bent will score more goals than berbatov given the right service from midfield which is where i would like to see the money spent from his sale .

 

[SpurSince57]

The loyalty I couldn't give tuppence about. It always was an overrated commodity, and those who go on about players sticking with a club year in year out in the 'good old days' forget that they had no choice. It's the fundamental dishonesty that pisses me off, which is why I brought up the Chimbonda comparison. Chimbonda's a mercenary and makes few bones about it. So what? At least you, as a supporter, know where you are (or rather, where he is).

So far there seems to be a distinct dearth of managers/DOFs/SDs forming an orderly queue outside Levy's office, chequebooks at the ready. I wonder why.

 

[xtrac]

I think it's pretty obvious that Levy has made it clear to Berba and Danchev in their meeting of a few weeks ago what his transfer valuation is and that he won't reduce it - hence the reason he's still our player.

What Danchev and Berbs, cos make no mistake, Berbs knows what his Agent does and says, wanted from Spurs was a "realistic" transfer valuation to make him more sellable and a more attractive prospect for the top clubs he wishes to join.
That clearly hasn't happened. As Football 365 said at the time of the meeting:
"Danchev is fed up cos Spurs refused to hang a for sale sign around Berbatov's neck".

If Levy had made it obvious, why on earth are people takeing stories from websites and drawing there own conclusions. I havent seen or heard an official quote from Levy, and allthough what you are saying might be true, i can only guess your info has come from a source, ITK, website or paper, which in reality isnt exactly a statement from the club outlinning exactly what is going on. For all we know everything is now sorted, Berbs has seen the transfer targets, is more than happy to stay and is looking forward to next season. But wether he is or is not, a statement from the club, would be more beneficial for everyone, and the matter can be closed with or without Berbs.

With all due respect Lilly, you cant be 100% sure the man is leaving, rumours end up in papers websites and some ITK information, that doesnt mean its fact.

Also if Danchev was that agrieved with are actions, i am more than sure he would of shouted to the press, exactly the situation. Its a mystery that after that meeting you havent heard a single thing from him.

 

[SpurSince57]

We don't have much choice but to speculate what Levy's position is—essentially, to put ourselves in his shoes.

Berbatov let it slip in a magazine interview that he would be asking for a transfer. The assumption has to be that if he did so, Levy's response was, 'OK, we think you're worth £30m (or whatever). Let's see who agrees.'

So far, it seems, no-one does.

 

[lily_lane]

With all due respect Lilly, you cant be 100% sure the man is leaving, rumours end up in papers websites and some ITK information, that doesnt mean its fact.

Also if Danchev was that agrieved with are actions, i am more than sure he would of shouted to the press, exactly the situation. Its a mystery that after that meeting you havent heard a single thing from him.

Actually I have, it was reported. I follow the Bulgarian and British media and was aware that a) Berbatov had said he would be talking to Spurs about a transfer at the end of the season, b) Danchev would be having a meeting with Levy, and c) we got some pucker ITK on SC the night it took place - with Berbs in tow.

Thereafter Danchev told the press that his client wanted CL Football, 8 other top clubs were interested in him, blah blah, but on the specifics of the meeting, he just said that "there was no earth shattering news to report, no great change in any positions" - meaning he didn't get far with Levy in reducing Berba's price tag.

The fact that an ITK has reported "only half" of the amount we'd accept has been offered by those that have bid (3 clubs have been quoted by an SC ITK) which we clearly haven't accepted lead me to write my post above.

I don't know 100% if Berbatov is leaving at all, and I wouldn't say that. However what I do believe is that if he had the option he would leave to join a Milan, Barca or Real etc. But not to join Citeh, so if that's the only offer available to him, then yes, he could very well stay.

As for all the daily guff in the press about swap deals etc. that gets rehashed on the likes of Goal.com, then no, I don't bother much with those. The club generally doesn't make announcements till a deal is done and dusted, and I don't expect Levy to make a 'statement' about Berba's position. Gus more or less did that yesterday on SSN anyway, and look how it was interpreted. The press is a voracious animal, and the more you give out statements, the more they want and the more they spin or slant it, and it doesn't stop the speculation anyway - true or false.

 

[Petyr]

Lily_lane,
your reconstruction seems very plausible. I'm not sure however whether you are right about the chronology of the events. I think Danchev said first that Spurs restrict Berbatov's development, i.e. are already small for him, as he should play in the CL next season with several big clubs interested in him. After this interview he met with Levy. I think that after the meeting there was no comment from Danchev which makes me think he doesn't find the situation hopeless. Rather, I think there may be some agreement acceptable for him. Of course, he may be silent because he didn't achieve any progress during the talks with Levy. But would he so easily resign with the asking price if it is so high that probably no club is going to meet it? They have other possibilities to reduce the price: handing in a transfer request etc. Personally, I have no idea whether Danchev and Berba will resign if the price is too high or will rather attempt to get their dream move at any price including going on strike. The latter seems very unlikely at the moment and doesn't seem to suit Berba's character but you never know. The key is how desperate both are to leave for a bigger club and also whether Levy has any qualms about Berbatov leavin on Webster after next season. If he is certain that such a thing cannot happen, then we can expect from him to play hard ball.

 

[xtrac]

Actually I have, it was reported. I follow the Bulgarian and British media and was aware that a) Berbatov had said he would be talking to Spurs about a transfer at the end of the season, b) Danchev would be having a meeting with Levy, and c) we got some pucker ITK on SC the night it took place - with Berbs in tow.

Thereafter Danchev told the press that his client wanted CL Football, 8 other top clubs were interested in him, blah blah, but on the specifics of the meeting, he just said that "there was no earth shattering news to report, no great change in any positions" - meaning he didn't get far with Levy in reducing Berba's price tag.

The fact that an ITK has reported "only half" of the amount we'd accept has been offered by those that have bid (3 clubs have been quoted by an SC ITK) which we clearly haven't accepted lead me to write my post above.

I don't know 100% if Berbatov is leaving at all, and I wouldn't say that. However what I do believe is that if he had the option he would leave to join a Milan, Barca or Real etc. But not to join Citeh, so if that's the only offer available to him, then yes, he could very well stay.

As for all the daily guff in the press about swap deals etc. that gets rehashed on the likes of Goal.com, then no, I don't bother much with those. The club generally doesn't make announcements till a deal is done and dusted, and I don't expect Levy to make a 'statement' about Berba's position. Gus more or less did that yesterday on SSN anyway, and look how it was interpreted. The press is a voracious animal, and the more you give out statements, the more they want and the more they spin or slant it, and it doesn't stop the speculation anyway - true or false.

Lilly without getting into an argument you have basically pointed out what i have said, your info has come from the press, this could of been misinterpreted, ITK as we all know, take with a pinch of salt. What Gus said was obviously going to be misinterpreted, its like saying heres the player, we havent got a clue if hes staying, as Levy, or Berba hasnt made there position totally 100% clear, not through the media, but through a club statement.

Do you really trust the media, especially the bulgarian media, if reports on here are suggesting they want him to move and are forcing his hand. Do you not think also, if Berba does go, a statement would come out after the fact, telling us exactly what had gone on, as a fan i would at the very least expect it wouldnt you?? so why not make a statement before???

 

[lily_lane]

Lily_lane,
your reconstruction seems very plausible. I'm not sure however whether you are right about the chronology of the events. I think Danchev said first that Spurs restrict Berbatov's development, i.e. are already small for him, as he should play in the CL next season with several big clubs interested in him. After this interview he met with Levy. I think that after the meeting there was no comment from Danchev which makes me think he doesn't find the situation hopeless.

We all know he's been making comments to the media forever, but I quoted his comments specifically after the meeting with Levy, which he announced to the BG media he was having, including the day, so I was looking out for news and reports of it, which we got here, and Danchev's comments about it afterwards. He did make them - specifically that "there was no earth shattering news to report" and "no changes of position". This referred to the transfer price, which he'd announced before the meeting took place was what he wanted to change Spurs/Levy's views on. He obviously failed. If Levy had've come down to the "realistic figure" that Dancehv was looking for to encourage bids then, with his record of talking to the media, don't you think he'd have shouted it from the rooftops?

 

[Petyr]

We all know he's been making comments to the media forever, but I quoted his comments specifically after the meeting with Levy, which he announced to the BG media he was having, including the day, so I was looking out for news and reports of it, which we got here, and Danchev's comments about it afterwards. He did make them - specifically that "there was no earth shattering news to report" and "no changes of position". This referred to the transfer price, which he'd announced before the meeting took place was what he wanted to change Spurs/Levy's views on. He obviously failed. If Levy had've come down to the "realistic figure" that Dancehv was looking for to encourage bids then, with his record of talking to the media, don't you think he'd have shouted it from the rooftops?

When did he say these words? I haven't read abut them.

 

[lily_lane]

Lilly without getting into an argument you have basically pointed out what i have said, your info has come from the press, this could of been misinterpreted, ITK as we all know, take with a pinch of salt. What Gus said was obviously going to be misinterpreted, its like saying heres the player, we havent got a clue if hes staying, as Levy, or Berba hasnt made there position totally 100% clear, not through the media, but through a club statement.

Do you really trust the media, especially the bulgarian media, if reports on here are suggesting they want him to move and are forcing his hand. Do you not think also, if Berba does go, a statement would come out after the fact, telling us exactly what had gone on, as a fan i would at the very least expect it wouldnt you?? so why not make a statement before???

I really don't understand the point you are making? :shrug:

There's no "forcing his hand" going on. If you don't believe that Berba wants to leave or has let it be known that if a suitable offer comes in for him he wants to discuss it, then that's your perrogative. But if you've been following the story closely, it's perfectly clear. I don't really understand how a statement from Levy would clarify matters. It would probably just attract more attention and invite further speculation. If a club is going to make a bid they will, as in the normal course of events, with or without a statement from Levy. It's up to the club how much they are willing to sell Berbatov for - that's what the issue of dispute was between his Agent and the club.

The reason why Gus is saying they need to know Berba's plans is because he has told Ramos he wishes to play CL Football asap, and if an offer comes in wants to move. However, as no such big offer has thus far, then Gus will esxpect him back on July 3rd for pre-season training. How is that a confusing picture which requires a statement?

As for "trusting the media" - I certainly would trust Berba's own words when speaking to the press in Bulgaria, which he does frequently, and where he's very open and honest. Some people still maintain he's never said he wishes to leave Spurs because they haven't read it in the British Press, but he himself is not going to say that here. His Agent speaks on his behalf, but he has said it in Bulgaria in his own language.

As for trusting ITKs - well the main one on SC thinks there's a 90% chance Berba will still be at Spurs next season, and as Gus said this week no bids have come in for him yet, we'll see.

If, however, a suitable bid does come in, both to Spurs and himself, then I believe he will leave. It's still May, there's at least another month of waiting to find out what'll transpire.

What Gus was obviously saying was - we meet up on July 3rd and those who start pre-season are at the club come what may. So if a deal isn't done by then, tough cheddar!

 

[lily_lane]

When did he say these words? I haven't read abut them.

The Standart: 18.04.2008

Reportedly, Danchev has told journalists that the management of the team failed to reach an agreement with his client on a new contract. The news spread in the sports world in lightning speed. Daily Mail quotes Danchev saying that an agreement between Berbatov and Tottenham is hardly possible, the main obstacle being the unwillingness of the club management to fix Berbatov's transfer price.
"This information is quite strange, having in mind I have not spoken to any journalists - British or Bulgarian. :rofl: The author tries either to make a stir, or misinform the sports world," Danchev told The Standart.
"The talks with the management did not produce any sensational news," but I'll comment on this in a few days," Danchev added.
Ivaylo Yolchev

 

[Petyr]

The Standart: 18.04.2008

Thank you, Lily_lane

 

[Gabriella]

I've just found a TV interview from 18.04 and Danchev said the same - that he had never spoken to Daily Mail and he wondered why they literally "put words in his mouth". So on 18.04 he said that he hadn't spoken to the English media for a month. He sounded very angry. Not that he doesn't deserve it
He also added that Spurs knew about this misunderstanding and they kept in touch with the Daily Mail

 

[lily_lane]

I've just found a TV interview from 18.04 and Danchev said the same - that he had never spoken to Daily Mail and he wondered why they literally "put words in his mouth". So on 18.04 he said that he hadn't spoken to the English media for a month. He sounded very angry. Not that he doesn't deserve it
He also added that Spurs knew about this misunderstanding and they kept in touch with the Daily Mail

Ah, that's interesting, thanks for the info Gabi. :up:

Although some don't like or trust the Daily Mail, as SS57 has posted here, in recent times, they do seem to be the British paper with the most accurate info regarding Spurs, so possibly this news about the meeting came from Spurs themselves. :wink:

Danchev was most probably very angry as for once he couldn't manipulate the story to his own advantage. Having failed to get the outcome he wanted, he pretended he had nothing to say....but went ahead and still declared that his client was seeking a new club.