Chelsea Vs Tottenham: Match Thread

[PeeEyeEmPee]

even then, it's still a bit of a reach.

 

[CJMurray]

Is this where a center back should be? Nowhere near good enough from Fazio.
(Screenshot taken as Remy runs onto the ball past Vertonghen to score)

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Because one screenshot accurately reflect a passage of play...

Fazio pushed up to stay with Hazard(?), Vertonghen and Davies see this, but stay 10 yards behind him. If Fazio doesn't stay with Hazard then he'd have had a ridiculous amount of space to get on the ball turn and run at our defence.

If you want to assign blame, then Vertonghen and Davies probably should have stepped up and held the line, allowing Lloris to sweep up behind them. Chiriches could have been tighter to the passer as well.

 

[carpediem1906]

he isn't the reason we got beat, that's deeper than one individual but once again in a big big game he hasn't stepped up. It's frustrating watching him roll his studs over the ball and try no look passes when he can't get the basics right on a night like tonight.... Do the basics, work hard, play what u see and take on your man in the right areas. Watching Eden hazard tonight should show him just what he needs to do to become a top player , at the minute he isn't fit to lace his boots.

the point though is... as supporters, do we give him time? and support him and sing his name and encourage him?

rather than slag him off every time he does something that doesn't come off?

half of the lot here would have called for C.Ronaldo to be sold after 1 season.

Has Lamela even gotten 1 full season?

 

[arunspurs]

the point though is... as supporters, do we give him time? and support him and sing his name and encourage him?

rather than slag him off every time he does something that doesn't come off?

half of the lot here would have called for C.Ronaldo to be sold after 1 season.

Has Lamela even gotten 1 full season?

No way anyone would have called for Ronaldo to be sold after 1 season.Even in his first season, he was turning games on its head. Only problem was then he was a diver

And getting one season under belt is not a condition for judging a player is good or not.

 

[arunspurs]

Is this where a center back should be? Nowhere near good enough from Fazio.
(Screenshot taken as Remy runs onto the ball past Vertonghen to score)

Fazio was joining the attack prior to that. This is something even Vertonghen does or like John Terry did in first half.
Point is, Vertonghen lost his focus & got to wrong side of Remy. Remy then expertly turned him out & they score.

 

[arunspurs]

Third big away game, Lloris has made the same mistake, which eventually put us out of the match.

Anfield Away
Etihad away
Now Chelsea away

For all the good work he does in rest of the season, he fucks it up in big games.

 

[Gaz_Gammon]

[QUOTE="thinktank, post: 4360654, member: 2722"

We are in transition and showed a lot of fine elements to our play tonight carrying on from everton.

Focus on our points of progress.[/QUOTE]




Because we didn't pick up any from the game.............................

 

[carpediem1906]

Is this where a center back should be? Nowhere near good enough from Fazio.
(Screenshot taken as Remy runs onto the ball past Vertonghen to score)

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this is a very misleading screen grab.

ball was in chelsea's half, our defence was pushing up... we were in possession if i rem correctly.

then chelsea got the ball back, played it wide first time, and oscar/hazard played a beautiful through ball over the top of our defence to remy, who was on the last defender.

before oscar/hazard got the ball, fazio pushed up, to negate remy and verts n davies tried to too but were a split second too slow.

verts thought remy was offside and his momentum was actually towards chelsea's goal, and had to quickly change direction and to go after remy.

by this point in the game, and with him playing 90 mins past 4 matches, he must be fatigued, and couldn't get remy.

i wouldn't call this poor defending. rather, they were clinical, and we were tired.

 

[arunspurs]

I know Chelsea are going to win. I accepted that before game begun.
What I cant accept is gifting wins to oppositions by individual mistakes.

 

[SpursManChris]

Because one screenshot accurately reflect a passage of play...

Fazio pushed up to stay with Hazard(?), Vertonghen and Davies see this, but stay 10 yards behind him. If Fazio doesn't stay with Hazard then he'd have had a ridiculous amount of space to get on the ball turn and run at our defence.

If you want to assign blame, then Vertonghen and Davies probably should have stepped up and held the line, allowing Lloris to sweep up behind them. Chiriches could have been tighter to the passer as well.

lol, well done mate, you've gone and made me think about it even more! Yeah okay, Faz pushed up, but he only would've done because he saw us lacking in the mid. And we were. Oh God we were. Paulinho, who I'm only guessing was Poch's choice to fill DM alongside Bentaleb was stuck over on the right, in front of the ball as it was played into Remy! What sort of positioning is that?

Even so, I don't think Fazio should attempt to fill that void, that just gives everyone a false sense of hope. "Oh look, big arse Faz is there doing our jobs for us, he can handle things." If fazio was back in his proper position, he could have doubled up with Vert in pressuring Remy. Although because our midfield and Chiriches were so shit in that situation, it probably would've been a goal anyway. You're right though, there are others to blame for how the goal was created and I wasn't blaming Faz for that.

 

[arunspurs]

this is a very misleading screen grab.

ball was in chelsea's half, our defence was pushing up... we were in possession if i rem correctly.

then chelsea got the ball back, played it wide first time, and oscar/hazard played a beautiful through ball over the top of our defence to remy, who was on the last defender.

before oscar/hazard got the ball, fazio pushed up, to negate remy and verts n davies tried to too but were a split second too slow.

verts thought remy was offside and his momentum was actually towards chelsea's goal, and had to quickly change direction and to go after remy.

by this point in the game, and with him playing 90 mins past 4 matches, he must be fatigued, and couldn't get remy.

i wouldn't call this poor defending. rather, they were clinical, and we were tired.

Agreed to most part. But it was poor defending - from Vertonghen.

 

[SpursManChris]

this is a very misleading screen grab.

ball was in chelsea's half, our defence was pushing up... we were in possession if i rem correctly.

then chelsea got the ball back, played it wide first time, and oscar/hazard played a beautiful through ball over the top of our defence to remy, who was on the last defender.

before oscar/hazard got the ball, fazio pushed up, to negate remy and verts n davies tried to too but were a split second too slow.

verts thought remy was offside and his momentum was actually towards chelsea's goal, and had to quickly change direction and to go after remy.

by this point in the game, and with him playing 90 mins past 4 matches, he must be fatigued, and couldn't get remy.

i wouldn't call this poor defending. rather, they were clinical, and we were tired.

As a central defender, shouldn't you be facing your man? If Verts knew about Remy's positioning, shouldn't he be in a position where he can see him and see what he is doing? Either way, the real issue there was Vertonghen should have been closer to goal than he was, he was only just standing off Remy and it looks like they were touching before Remy ran through! Especially if he knew he was tired, he should know he'll have very little hope of beating a fresh legged Remy.

 

[carpediem1906]

bentaleb, age 20, first year in first team, showed that he could hold his own against an established, world class midfield and attack.

he will be massive for us in years to come

 

[SpursManChris]

Fazio was joining the attack prior to that.

The second we no longer have the ball, Fazio should have been piss bolting back and getting central. But he was hanging around like a bad smell. Don't forget, defenders are there to be in a position where they can provide defence. They should not get in a forward position which compromises their primary role. But he did.

 

[SpursManChris]

It's frustrating watching him roll his studs over the ball and try no look passes when he can't get the basics right on a night like tonight.

What basics do you mean?

 

[SpursManChris]

And getting one season under belt is not a condition for judging a player is good or not.

Well you can obviously say the player has had a good season in that one season. But after how many good seasons can a player be considered a good player? We only go season by season right? I know I do. If Kaboul hadn't made one mistake this season and was a rock for us, of course we'd be calling him a "good player" even considering his past.

 

[carpediem1906]

As a central defender, shouldn't you be facing your man? If Verts knew about Remy's positioning, shouldn't he be in a position where he can see him and see what he is doing? Either way, the real issue there was Vertonghen should have been closer to goal than he was, he was only just standing off Remy and it looks like they were touching before Remy ran through! Especially if he knew he was tired, he should know he'll have very little hope of beating a fresh legged Remy.

i stand corrected, poor defending yes... understandable/forgiveable - yes as well.

 

[SpursManChris]

Agreed to most part. But it was poor defending - from Vertonghen.

For a man with an avatar like yours, that must be tough to say...

 

[carpediem1906]

The second we no longer have the ball, Fazio should have been piss bolting back and getting central. But he was hanging around like a bad smell. Don't forget, defenders are there to be in a position where they can provide defence. They should not get in a forward position which compromises their primary role. But he did.

he had to close down the space.

it was a first time ball being played, hence going over fazio.

otherwise, if the player had held on to the ball or tried to dribble, it would have been a cul de sac

 

[carpediem1906]

our high pressing game is meant to kill games off in the first half.

southampton never winning from losing position under poch is in a way proof of that.

had we been more clinical and taken our chances in the first 20 mins, the game would be different.

that said, against chelsea and city... and maybe united now, we cannot afford to make individual mistakes. it cost us, it will continue to cost us.