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And there's the thing... YOU assume, therefore everyone should assume?!?!
I never said that.
And there's the thing... YOU assume, therefore everyone should assume?!?!
I don't think this has much to do with political correctness. Swansea are a business with sponsors and commercial partners etc all of whom will be sensitive about their brands being damaged by association with a porn show.
There will always be a handful of people like Walkerboy who thinks everything is PC gone mad most know there is a line and a debate to be had on what is acceptable.
Never heard of this porn site or gesture so no idea if it has gone over the line.
Oh do fuck off.
I have an opinion, you have an opinion... Doesn't mean yours is always right (though that's clearly how you think).
The problem nowadays is that nothing is acceptable, because every little thing in life could offend one single person.
Lets remove the darts walk on girls, who are actually modestly dressed 99% of the time, because it's "not family friendly", yet as per last night, the semi naked cheerleaders on stage aren't an issue and neither is something like this
Same reason rob wont let us post the videos. The sponsors will stop wanting to be associated with the site.
Oh do fuck off.
I have an opinion, you have an opinion... Doesn't mean yours is always right (though that's clearly how you think).
The problem nowadays is that nothing is acceptable, because every little thing in life could offend one single person.
Lets remove the darts walk on girls, who are actually modestly dressed 99% of the time, because it's "not family friendly", yet as per last night, the semi naked cheerleaders on stage aren't an issue and neither is something like this
Oh do fuck off.
I have an opinion, you have an opinion... Doesn't mean yours is always right (though that's clearly how you think).
The problem nowadays is that nothing is acceptable, because every little thing in life could offend one single person.
Lets remove the darts walk on girls, who are actually modestly dressed 99% of the time, because it's "not family friendly", yet as per last night, the semi naked cheerleaders on stage aren't an issue... And neither is the front page of the times today showing a woman in a bikini, advertising how to get the perfect summer body. The problem is double standards.
It's not about offending people.
You talk about the darts walk on girls being removed like they have been banned. The PDC received complaints from viewers and opinions that they weren't needed. It was a business decision to remove them. Not PC gone mad or pandering to the left.
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They removed them because of a handful of complaints - therefore they did pander...
I still don't understand why people complained, seeing as every time I've watched darts they've been wearing dresses etc.
Maybe I don't just walk around with a chip on my shoulder or looking to be offended by everything.
Someone calls me a **** so f'ing what?!?
Life's too short...
You seem upset about this though.
At it's true core it's very much about offending people.
Someone had to complain to Swansea and the FA about it, because they found it offensive.
Personally I don't think it's any worse than a player being caught on camera drunk.
If these clubs want to be family friendly, stop paying their players such obscene money for starters.
Ban any form of celebration and you can't cause anyone to be upset then.
They removed them because of a handful of complaints - therefore they did pander...
I still don't understand why people complained, seeing as every time I've watched darts they've been wearing dresses etc.
Maybe I don't just walk around with a chip on my shoulder or looking to be offended by everything.
Someone calls me a **** so f'ing what?!?
Life's too short...
No, it's not about offending people. It's about consequences.
Think about the statistics for adolescent suicide. Think about the mental disorders that young people are increasingly suffering from, including self-harming, eating disorders such as bulimia and anorexia; there's very little disagreement (is there?) that a lot of misery is caused to young girls in particular feeling that they have to live up to unrealistic standards of physical appearance.
Increasingly it's also about unrealistic sexual aspirations too, with girls (maybe some boys too, butI'd bet it's mainly girls) being made to believe that all sorts of things are expected of them that they may not actually want to do, or be ready to even think about doing. Obviously not all suicides and other awful problems are due to this sort of pressure , but some are, and that is bad, and it some of it could be prevented.
I'm not suggesting Clucas knew or thought about any of this but I'm glad that his club don't take the attitude that ignorance makes things OK. Ignorance may occasionally be an excuse, depending on circumstances, but it doesn't mean it should be treated as normal responsible behaviour, or that we should make excuses for it.
I'm sick of the fact that my kids are going to be growing up where every bit of free speech/opinion is taken away.
Everyone's being turned into a fucking robot - "YOU MUST THINK AND BEHAVE THIS WAY".
No wonder we have a generation of softies who can't hack it when something challenging comes along.
Can you tell me a time when it would have been acceptable for a footballer to reference porn/ in a goal celebration? Do you think bill nick would have been ok with it?
I totally get that, but using the examples of F1 & darts, that's not where the issue lies. What's effectively being said by their removal is that good looking women cannot have jobs that make use of their looks. A lot of people have suggested that maybe those women should go do other modelling - not that easy. It's a cut-throat industry as it is, and having even more pushing for a limited number of spots increases the pressure on those very same models to look a certain way.
Other suggestions are that they're just thickos who should have done better at school.
The issue is mainly with social media and music.
I have a 14 yr old daughter - she doesn't watch F1, darts etc. but she watches a lot of music videos and Youtube.
No-one bats an eyelid at female pop-stars being semi-naked because "that's empowering" and obviously there's way too much money involved in the industry for the girls to be told to cover up. Oh and while we're at it - the blokes should cover up as well.
Thankfully she's also incredibly mentally strong and self willed (has to be with me as a dad ) and doesn't fall for any of the trappings. It's also why she's already at GCSE level B in all her subjects two years before she even get's to the exams.
I personally don't have an issue with this specific goal celebration. If my 11 yr old son mimics it up the park, so what. He doesn't know the (potential) meaning behind it and as long as it stays that way it's inoffensive.
Likewise, I've clamped down on what he can watch on YouTube.
However, I hate the attitude and language he has picked up by watching the likes of KSI & Sidemen. I can police that - and as a responsible parent that's what I should be allowed to do. I shouldn't have someone else somewhere decide for me.
So will you show your daughter the site in question and tell her that it's ok for her to do those things as they are not degrading to women?
I totally get that, but using the examples of F1 & darts, that's not where the issue lies. What's effectively being said by their removal is that good looking women cannot have jobs that make use of their looks. A lot of people have suggested that maybe those women should go do other modelling - not that easy. It's a cut-throat industry as it is, and having even more pushing for a limited number of spots increases the pressure on those very same models to look a certain way.
Other suggestions are that they're just thickos who should have done better at school.
The issue there is mainly with social media and music.
I have a 14 yr old daughter - she doesn't watch F1, darts etc. but she watches a lot of music videos.
No-one bats an eyelid at female pop-stars being semi-naked because "that's empowering" and obviously there's way too much money involved in the industry for the girls to be told to cover up. Oh and while we're at it - the blokes should cover up as well.
Thankfully she's also incredibly mentally strong and self willed (has to be with me as a dad ) and doesn't fall for any of the trappings.
I personally don't have an issue with this specific goal celebration. If my 11 yr old son mimics it up the park, so what. He doesn't know the (potential) meaning behind it and as long as it stays that way it's inoffensive.
Likewise, I've clamped down on what he can watch on YouTube.
However, I hate the attitude and language he has picked up by watching the likes of KSI & Sidemen. I can police that - and as a responsible parent that's what I should be allowed to do. I shouldn't have someone else somewhere decide for me.