Match Threads Dinamo Zagreb vs Spurs - Match Thread- 2nd leg

[LSUY]

Ouch.

 

[Montalbano]

Played like a bunch of pansies. Horrible performance, gutless team.

 

[stormfly]

I’m hoping I feel better by the weekend but I just don’t want to watch us anymore. I can’t be bothered to watch any league games anymore and I’m feeling like missing the final and checking the result after. I’m done with investing time on watching them. I know it sounds stupid with a cup final to play but it feels like the season ended today.

 

[SpursSince1980]

Kane and Son are going nowhere just like the team . The money Levy would want makes it untenable at their age ,
These players are practically all internationals and a youth team to be proud of the only thing missing is a man that can mould this lot into a force to be reckoned with it is just not going to happen with a yesterday man .

I have read many of your posts over the last few months. I understand your concerns. I also wish I had your steadfast belief that we have an excellent squad of players, but they are underperforming because the manager doesn't know how to get the best out of them. That he has sucked all the confidence out of them. And that he is simply incapable of adapting to the 'modern' game.

Jose has come in, and he has failed. That much is true.

With all of my heart, I'd love to believe that this is simply a case of square peg, round hole. Once we have the right coach in, they can whip this lot into shape, and have us purring again in the top 4, and winning, something, anything.

But I don't feel that way. I can't pin 100% blame on the manager, while ignoring what I see before my very eyes. I can't overlook a team that has struggled in the last two years with injuries, regression, a global pandemic, change of coaches and some player recruitment misfires. I certainly see no difference between the same players under Poch, who are now under Jose, when it comes to mentality. Same players, with the same problems.

I love this club. Have since 1980. It's an impractical relationship, in that I give so much, yet get very little in return! But, that's just who we are. We are Tottenham. A club crippled by a devotion to underachievement and disappointment! It's been a part of our DNA for the better part of 35 years.

A quick fix to all that ails us would be awesome. If that meant sacking a coach right now, and bringing another one, that would get us there... I'm all for it. If it means Levy buggering off, and money-bags Joe selling us to an oil baron, who will funnel 5bn into the club... that would be fabulous.

But whether we like it or not, this is still Spurs. So, past is precedent.... And as Yogi Berra notoriously said: 'It's deja vous all over again'.

 

[rez9000]

Think this is the problem. A rebuild with another manager surely means our big players will be looking to move on?

What else is there, sparx? It's unfortunately now inevitable.

There is literally no way on Earth that the furore will die down enough now for Mourinho to have the space to sort the problem, even outside of any considerations of whether he's capable. The noise is now too much and only ends one way.

In that atmosphere, the utterly poisonous one that he has not contributed to in any way proportionate to how disgusting it's been at times, means there's simply no space for him to be given the opportunity. The noise is too much.

It's not been helped by a hostile media, gleefully waiting in the wings to help ramp up the toxicity when the opportunity arose. I've never heard the 'views of the fans' mentioned so often about any club at any point in the time I've been watching football. Sure, you get the odd mention of 'the fans', but nothing like this. Christ, the number of times Peter Drury kept going on, during commentary, about how unhappy we were going to be had me with my jaw on the floor.

We've all contributed to bringing this pain onto our shoulders - fans, chairman, players and, yes, the manager, but of the four, he's the one who has contributed the least to this noise outside of just being who he is. And we've lost an opportunity to benefit from his experience. It's now very much fait accompli. Mourinho will be leaving the club in short order, I'm certain. And I know that certain penises (and clitorises - let's not forget we have women in our fanbase too) will be stiffening with glee. What I'm wondering is just how stiff those dicks and clits are going to be when we find ourselves back in this same situation soon enough.

 

[WePlayWednesday]

With that approach we will always be playing catch up, the team on the pitch needed to come before the stadium.

I agree. You’re totally right mate. The sad thing is we’re managed by accountants with a head over heart mentality. As long as we don’t take chances and financial risks, we’re going to suffer losses and decline. Poch did some special things and we didn’t build on it in the right way.

 

[ardiles]

The players were poor today but Jose has to take a huge chunk of the blame.

We have only 3 pure CBs, yet he decided not to register Rodon for the EL. Toby is no spring chicken anymore and needs to be rested for some games. It would have been a good opportunity to play Sanchez with Rodon today instead of Dier.

A midfield combo of Sissoko & Winks has always been poor yet Jose still started with that pairing.

 

[TheChosenOne]

I’m hoping I feel better by the weekend but I just don’t want to watch us anymore. I can’t be bothered to watch any league games anymore and I’m feeling like missing the final and checking the result after. I’m done with investing time on watching them. I know it sounds stupid with a cup final to play but it feels like the season ended today.

Feeling exactly the same right now. No raging or anger left. All washed away.
.

 

[delawarespur]

I feel like if I was able to watch the game instead of having class, I would’ve split my laptop in half.

 

[YB123]

i'm still laughing at the people who defended Sanchez after Arsenal because "he is good without the mistakes".

 

[spursfan77]

This is bad. We’ve had bad nights before, shocking results etc but this feels like something else. This feels worse.

I agree but part of that feeling is lockdown.

 

[Johnny J]

Levy has never backed anyone properly. But Mourinho has bought without selling. That's a lot better than Poch, Jol and AVB got.

I'd quite like it if we'd sold Dier, Sissoko, Winks, Davies and a few more.

 

[bigfrooj]

The players were poor today but Jose has to take a huge chunk of the blame.

We have only 3 pure CBs, yet he decided not to register Rodon for the EL. Toby is no spring chicken anymore and needs to be rested for some games. It would have been a good opportunity to play Sanchez with Rodon today instead of Dier.

A midfield combo of Sissoko & Winks has always been poor yet Jose still started with that pairing.

I just can't understand the Rodon decision. Bit us on the arse.

 

[Sarsipius]

As little faith as I have in Mourinho, I didn't actually believe for one minute that we'd go out to Zagreb tonight, especially after playing Kane up front. That we have is shocking. There is no excuse. The players and manager are all at fault but ultimately it's the manager who has to shoulder responsibility. He's a dead man walking and this whole season's debacle has set us way back.

 

[rez9000]

Pochettino had lost the team and key players. He was done at the club. That's been said on here 100 times.

What you say is absolutely true, cooksie, but (and it's an important but) it may not be the whole picture. There has been talk that a large part of Poch's malaise was that he felt that Levy didnt' trust him enough with identifying players. Then there's the issue of Poch himself rejecting players who he felt weren't up to snuff.

That was a lost opportunity in a whole series of lost opportunities right up to not being able to exploit the knowledge and experience of someone who's won bloody everything. Again, the curse of Tottenham. That's what 'Spursy' seems more and more to mean to me - not so much fucking up when it matters, but being presented opportunities and not taking them.

 

[rez9000]

Probably not a popular thought but this is something I’ve wondered about Poch’s painful rebuild for a while...

The core of these players faced the crushing disappointment of the battle of the bridge, and losing the title in that freak season to Leicester, and then suffered the heartbreak of losing the Champions League final...

I don’t think there’s any getting away from the damage to the group psyche two massive and heartbreaking failures like that can have on the mental strength of a team and I genuinely think that’s the heart of Poch’s painful rebuild...

This is precisely what a bunch of us been saying in the Mourinho thread, but few seem willing to see it. And those self-same people are the ones who accuse Mourinho of arrogance. Sheesh!

 

[DCSPUR]

Ouch.

fair play

 

[Johnny J]

Probably not a popular thought but this is something I’ve wondered about Poch’s painful rebuild for a while...

The core of these players faced the crushing disappointment of the battle of the bridge, and losing the title in that freak season to Leicester, and then suffered the heartbreak of losing the Champions League final...

I don’t think there’s any getting away from the damage to the group psyche two massive and heartbreaking failures like that can have on the mental strength of a team and I genuinely think that’s the heart of Poch’s painful rebuild...

Didn't Liverpool lose the CL final and win it the season after, and come close second in the PL and win it the season after?

I'm sure it was devastating to lose out to Leicester and Liverpool but these are professional footballers.

I don't believe our players have been so mentally scarred that they're still suffering from the effects now.

 

[WePlayWednesday]

Didn't Liverpool lose the CL final and win it the season after, and come close second and win it the season after?

I'm sure it was devastating to lose out to Leicester and Liverpool but these are professional footballers.

Theory goes that their players are PROFESSIONAL

Our players are DELICATE FCKN FLOWERS.

Can anyone vaccinated please head to the training ground tomorrow, the team need hugs, herbal tea and soothing conversation.

 

[midoshairband]

absolutely damning interview with Hugo on BT Sport. There is big trouble ahead...