Dos Santos/Gold Cup

[Spurs_Bear]

Sure, I believe anything Harry says. He always speaks the truth. :wink:

I'm not saying this isn't true, but Harry has also said this:

"Giovani, a £4.7million signing from Barcelona, made his only appearance of the campaign in the last round of the Carling Cup at Doncaster after getting shipped out on loan last season. Redknapp said he had seen an improvement in the 20-year-old's attitude since speaking to his father Gerardo dos Santos, a former Brazilian pro better known as Zizinho."

My point is that I think people is still stuck with the impression they got from Gio a couple of years ago. Maybe even Redknapp?
If Gio's parents met with Harry in 2009 and sorted the boy out enough to show Redknapp an improvement, what has happened since?

Erm.......no he didn't. That isn't a direct quote :lol:

Yes Harry talks bollocks, but you have to ask yourself why when he makes comments like GDS cant stay out of nightclubs, there isn't some kind of reaction from the player. Surely the player would come out and deny it?

His parents came to see him in 2009, then in July 2010 Harry said at the world cup (the interview was live on talkshite, I listened to it in the car...) that he still had trouble passing a nightclub. I think you have answered your own question as to what happened since.

 

[wallyjakeman]

Erm.......no he didn't. That isn't a direct quote :lol:

Yes Harry talks bollocks, but you have to ask yourself why when he makes comments like GDS cant stay out of nightclubs, there isn't some kind of reaction from the player. Surely the player would come out and deny it?

His parents came to see him in 2009, then in July 2010 Harry said at the world cup (the interview was live on talkshite, I listened to it in the car...) that he still had trouble passing a nightclub. I think you have answered your own question as to what happened since.

Fair point. However, maybe he did, but sorted it out the way it should be (directly with Harry, and not in the papers/radio)?

But ok, lets say Gio, even though he manages to shine in the World Cup and the national team, still has attitude problems and parties too much. Why have the club not either fined him, sold him, or, preferable, sorted him out? It should be the managements task to make sure the young kid focuses on his job and not on the drinks, right?

 

[Spurs_Bear]

Fair point. However, maybe he did, but sorted it out the way it should be (directly with Harry, and not in the papers/radio)?

But ok, lets say Gio, even though he manages to shine in the World Cup and the national team, still has attitude problems and parties too much. Why have the club not either fined him, sold him, or, preferable, sorted him out? It should be the managements task to make sure the young kid focuses on his job and not on the drinks, right?

He's not a young kid. He's 22.

And judging by the fact we've loaned him out 3 times, I would say we're trying our hardest to get rid of him :lol:

You're giving the lad a very commendable amount of support, I'm just on the other side of the fence, never actually thought he was any good :lol:

 

[wallyjakeman]

He's not a young kid. He's 22.

And judging by the fact we've loaned him out 3 times, I would say we're trying our hardest to get rid of him :lol:

You're giving the lad a very commendable amount of support, I'm just on the other side of the fence, never actually thought he was any good :lol:

Yeah, I may be overrating him, one of my favourite players. I just think he will become really good in a couple of years and we will be cursing the fact that it didn't happen in our shirt.

 

[DEFchenkOE]

I think he could have done a job for us last season, it's difficult to say where it went wrong for him after his positive world cup. I thought he would have got more time off the bench at least. Maybe he still had the same issues with turning up late for training, nobody really knows but I don't believe he was not used based on ability alone as he has enough ability to be a quality player for us. But if he's heads not right and he's not dedicated then he should be sold.

I do think it's a shame that we couldn't work with him to sort out any issues as I think he plays on the same wavelength as VdV and Modric and could really work well on the right if we played a 4-3-3 or in VdV's position when he tires if we play 4-4-1-1.

Actually I don't know why HR decided that only VdV could play behind the striker when Krancjar should have been also able to do this but that's for another thread so I won't go into it too much.

 

[miles_64]

He's Ronaldinho without the talent.

 

[SNAFU_Clarke]

i get the impression if we'd signed dos santos from barnsley instead of barcelona and he was from mildenhall not mexico he would get absolutely slated by the same people who are claiming he should be given a chance.

 

[wallyjakeman]

i get the impression if we'd signed dos santos from barnsley instead of barcelona and he was from mildenhall not mexico he would get absolutely slated by the same people who are claiming he should be given a chance.

You mean we would like to see him on the pitch just because of his exotic name and background?

I can only speak for myself now, but since I'm not from England, for me someone from Barnsley and Mildenhall is just as exotic as someone from Barcelona and Mexico. So, no, that's not why I would like to see him being given a chance.

 

[alamo]

Keano is most definitely a whole universe ahead of Healy....but he is surplus to requirements at WHL...(No Irish need apply). It is just another failing, in the current management team, that players who are not English (or who can't 'do a job' for England) are ignored at EPL level? In the old days it would be treasonous...and little has changed in some circles? COYS!

What on earth are you chatting about? Modric, Sandro, BAE, Gomes, Charlie, Pienaar, Bale, Gallas, Kaboul........ are they being ignored?

We probably have more non-English players in our first team and squad than at any other time in our history.

 

[yanno]

i get the impression if we'd signed dos santos from barnsley instead of barcelona and he was from mildenhall not mexico he would get absolutely slated by the same people who are claiming he should be given a chance.

Quite possibly the stupidest post I have ever seen on SC.

Do you actually watch football?

 

[beats1]

No, why would they care about GDS? It's hardly going to raise their profile? It would be like the Spanish tabloids releasing pictures of Paul Konchesky on a night out.

As for the bit about Barca fans still thinking he is good enough, these are still the same fans who used to boo him when he was their player.

Strangely yes, they think his comments at the time were due to him being poorly advised by his agent who they hate,

 

[Spurs_Bear]

Strangely yes, they think his comments at the time were due to him being poorly advised by his agent who they hate,

No they didn't. It's because they thought he was shit.

 

[Coyboy]

He's Ronaldinho without the talent.

And the teeth.

 

[beats1]

No they didn't. It's because they thought he was shit.

Barca fans always boo I mean they booed Eto'o and Deco in the malaga match and Ronaldinho at the airport, but they especially aggrieved this time because he was playing poorly and wanted a wage increase, barca wanted him to go out on loan and he didn't want to

 

[SNAFU_Clarke]

Quite possibly the stupidest post I have ever seen on SC.

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until yours, a genuinely baffling post. what i'm suggesting is that some people have got it into their heads that because he has come through the youth system at barcelona that gds is brilliant when all other available evidence is to the contrary.

the faintest chink of light at the end of the long dark tunnel that is his spurs career is the form he occasionally shows when playing for mexico against the cape verde islands, monterrey et al. this is resolutely clung to by his champions to 'prove' that he should be given a chance, forgetting of course that he has been given a chance at spurs already. many of them. it's called training.

train as you play. it's one the basic tenets of successful football teams and successful football players. it's where you impress the boss enough to convince him you're worth a place in the first team. gds hasn't grasped this. if he hasn't grasped it by now after being shipped out of barcelona and many loan spells from spurs you have to question whether he will ever learn it.

he has talent but cannot apply it. it's called potential and it is useless unless it is fulfilled. my view is that the same people who slate jenas, for example, for having potential but not fulfilling it, would grant gds a hundred first team opportunities simply because they believe him to be better by dint of his barcelona pedigree.

you may not agree with that view but to claim it is devoid of merit at all is a little daft.

 

[yanno]

SNAFU - you wrote:

i get the impression if we'd signed dos santos from barnsley instead of barcelona and he was from mildenhall not mexico he would get absolutely slated by the same people who are claiming he should be given a chance.

This is dumb because it's completely irrelevant.

Dos Santos has exceptional ability: he's technically great, fast, low centre of gravity, can play all across the front line and scores goals. If you look at his goals for Racing, three were poacher's goals including two with his head. He also chipped the keeper from the edge of the area for his fifth goal.

See here.

I can't imagine Lennon scoring any of those goals.

The bottom line is that he has never been given a run in the Spurs team. One start here, a sub's appearance there.

As a young kid, living in a foreign country, with bags of talent, not even making the bench week in, week out, must be soul destroying.

Johnnie Jackson played 20 times for Spurs. Dean Marney 8 times. Gio has made 10 appearances in three seasons.

Given a chance at Spurs? He clearly hasn't been.

 

[Spurs_Bear]

SNAFU - you wrote:



This is dumb because it's completely irrelevant.

Dos Santos has exceptional ability: he's technically great, fast, low centre of gravity, can play all across the front line and scores goals. If you look at his goals for Racing, three were poacher's goals including two with his head. He also chipped the keeper from the edge of the area for his fifth goal.

See here.

I can't imagine Lennon scoring any of those goals.

The bottom line is that he has never been given a run in the Spurs team. One start here, a sub's appearance there.

As a young kid, living in a foreign country, with bags of talent, not even making the bench week in, week out, must be soul destroying.

Johnnie Jackson played 20 times for Spurs. Dean Marney 8 times. Gio has made 10 appearances in three seasons.

Given a chance at Spurs? He clearly hasn't been.

But that's the problem with some people, he is not as good as you think he is.

 

[yanno]

But that's the problem with some people, he is not as good as you think he is.

How do you know?

 

[Spurs_Bear]

How do you know?

Because a player with those attributes would set the Championship alight when on loan. He would also look like he fitted in when playing in the Turkish league, not look completely out of his depth and perform poorly. He would also do more than run fast during the world cup (0 goals, 0 assists) and get acclaimed for it.

People WANT Giovani to be a great player, but he isn't.

 

[wallyjakeman]

But that's the problem with some people, he is not as good as you think he is.

I would say he's not as bad as you think he is.