Falque

[RickyVilla]

Bayern in for Falque.

Falque is on form.

Falque has face like deer face.

Oh Iago Falque he hates the magpies who suck penis, what a gen.

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[Adam456]

I think generally the idea of having out and out wide players is in decline.

United have Nani, Valencia and Young who all nominally play on the wing but basically float around alot and cut inside alot of the time. Similarly City have Nasri and Silva etc etc.

We are certainly one of very few clubs who have tended to play two out and out wingers and I've never really thought it's a good idea.

You say that but all through the 90s and most of the Naughties ManUSA, Arse and Chelsea shared the title and were playing wingers.

Giggs with Kanchelskis, then Beckham (I know he wasn't the get to the byline type)
Pires and Lundgberg, Reyes
Robben and Cole/Duff

Increasingly they have these fancy 433, 451 etc formations but the players they're putting on the outsides of that are like wingers - pacey and direct - Malouda, Anelka, now Mata

Giggs (still), Ronaldo, Nani etc.

And the other thing that always gets rolled out is that having 2 wingers is a luxury. As a Spurs great once said (and is in somebody's sig on here) - only the bad players are a luxury

 

[Maske2g]

I think we should be more worried about our back up striker ie pav and how shit he is than getting on the back of a kid who showed some nice touches and passing in what was his first competitive game.

But it wasn't his first competitive game. He played in the second tier of spain for a year. you know that league where the best 2 teama are better than our teams.....

 

[DoublePivot]

Disagree - wingers who play on the 'wrong' side are the exception not the rule. Ribery and Robben are examples - Robben in particular as he's possibly the most one-footed player in international football

You do get a few right-footed players at LW purely because only 1 in 10 footballers is a left-footer

oh and

Malbranque - not a wide player
Modric - not a wide player
Kranky - not a wide player (unless you mean fat)

Malbranque played LW (or should I say in a 5 yard area left of the centre circle) for us because we failed to sign an actual left winger or ANY winger other than Lennon for years

It's called an inverted winger and it has little to do with the player and all to do with the manager and the tactics he prefers. You invert them so they draw the defense away from touch and allow your fullbacks to run into the opened space. If you use a 4-4-2, most managers tend to want one on their natural side and one inverted, if they have the resources. If you run the 4-3-3, you use strikers as your wide players and they tend to play inverted. If you run a 4-2-3-1, you definitely want your midfield 3 to include to inverted wingers because your lone striker is there to set them up in attack.

Also you want a left footed player on the left for passing but on the right for shooting. Regardless of a system, many players will tend to drift to the opposite side of their preferred foot to give themselves a bigger target when shooting. It's why Villa drifts left and Zomora drifts right, for example.

It's actually quite common these days, and you see few teams with two natural wingers. We are one of the few who use it. Just looking at our competition for top six. United uses Young and Nani inverted often. Nasri was used by Arsenal inverted. Arshavin too. Silva was used inverted last year, but both he and Nasri have been playing their preferred side this year as they are setting up Aguerro/Dzeko. Downing will flip sides halfway through most games and a look at his stats from last year show him setting up most of his goals from the right for Villa. Chelsea I don't know very well because they are boring. But I don't think they do. Hodgsen used two inverted wingers to make the final of Europa with Fulham.

That's not to say its good to do because it's trendy. If the wide man isn't good at carrying the ball inside then you waste him. Bale on the right is much less useful than Bale on the left. Kuyt tends to be useless on the left.

 

[Spurrific]

I see what you are saying. But at the top levels where margins are so fine, players usually play in their preferred/best position.

Messi, Hulk, Lavezzi, Bryan Ruiz, Loic Remy, even Gio - just a few examples of right footers who prefer to play on the left, so they can cut in.

Aren't Messi, Hulk and Gio all left footed? Or do you just mean they like to play on the opposite side of their strong foot so they can cut in? Hulk and Messi usually operate from the right if I remember correctly, although apparently Messi's been utilised more centrally recently.

 

[DoublePivot]

Sorry, just checked...Downing didn't switch against Bolton like he did in other games.

 

[Spurrific]

It's called an inverted winger and it has little to do with the player and all to do with the manager and the tactics he prefers. You invert them so they draw the defense away from touch and allow your fullbacks to run into the opened space. If you use a 4-4-2, most managers tend to want one on their natural side and one inverted, if they have the resources. If you run the 4-3-3, you use strikers as your wide players and they tend to play inverted. If you run a 4-2-3-1, you definitely want your midfield 3 to include to inverted wingers because your lone striker is there to set them up in attack.

Also you want a left footed player on the left for passing but on the right for shooting. Regardless of a system, many players will tend to drift to the opposite side of their preferred foot to give themselves a bigger target when shooting. It's why Villa drifts left and Zomora drifts right, for example.

It's actually quite common these days, and you see few teams with two natural wingers. We are one of the few who use it. Just looking at our competition for top six. United uses Young and Nani inverted often. Nasri was used by Arsenal inverted. Arshavin too. Silva was used inverted last year, but both he and Nasri have been playing their preferred side this year as they are setting up Aguerro/Dzeko. Downing will flip sides halfway through most games and a look at his stats from last year show him setting up most of his goals from the right for Villa. Chelsea I don't know very well because they are boring. But I don't think they do. Hodgsen used two inverted wingers to make the final of Europa with Fulham.

That's not to say its good to do because it's trendy. If the wide man isn't good at carrying the ball inside then you waste him. Bale on the right is much less useful than Bale on the right. Kuyt tends to be useless on the left.

I think they've just started to, with Mata and Malouda being on the wings, usually Mata on the right

 

[DoublePivot]

Messi doesn't play inverted. He may have at one time, but now he's a false 10. He plays from the center and has the liberty to drift wide to create and shoot.

 

[Spurrific]

Messi doesn't play inverted. He may have at one time, but now he's a false 10. He plays from the center and has the liberty to drift wide to create and shoot.

Yeah, I thought he'd been playing centrally lately, where has that left Villa playing?? In front of Messi or to a side? Haven't watched much Barca lately.

 

[DoublePivot]

Side. He plays left to cut in on his preferred foot for the shot.

 

[Maske2g]

Aren't Messi, Hulk and Gio all left footed? Or do you just mean they like to play on the opposite side of their strong foot so they can cut in? Hulk and Messi usually operate from the right if I remember correctly, although apparently Messi's been utilised more centrally recently.

Messi has been used more centrally for 2 years to be fair.

Pedro hangs out to the right a lot more.

Messi comes deep and gets involved, and ghosts into the box 15-20 times a game. It all looks so easy.........

 

[Spurrific]

Messi has been used more centrally for 2 years to be fair.

Pedro hangs out to the right a lot more.

Messi comes deep and gets involved, and ghosts into the box 15-20 times a game. It all looks so easy.........

I'm useless with positions to be honest mate, and I don't really watch Barcelona all too often but it must be so hard to actually pinpoint where they are playing with the movement being as ridiculously fluid as it is. He is left footed though isn't he?

So would their current line-up up top be:

Villa---------------- Pedro
---------Messi----------
or Sanchez replacing Pedro? I have a bit of difficulty grasping systems and formations to be honest. -edit- Yes I had to point out I was useless twice in one post

 

[worcestersauce]

So to summerise, Messi plays where he likes, does what he wants and scores just for fun, now back to the mere mortals.

 

[Maske2g]

I'm useless with positions to be honest mate, and I don't really watch Barcelona all too often but it must be so hard to actually pinpoint where they are playing with the movement being as ridiculously fluid as it is. He is left footed though isn't he?

So would their current line-up up top be:

Villa---------------- Pedro
---------Messi----------
or Sanchez replacing Pedro? I have a bit of difficulty grasping systems and formations to be honest. -edit- Yes I had to point out I was useless twice in one post

I see Pedro playing the big games more than Sanchez. But the above is very accurate. They play very close together and narrow. If the ball is on one side of the pitch, you can bet your life the other, so called "wide" player will be in the area looking to score.

 

[JollyHappy]

I seem to remember Sandro was written off after his first couple of games with us as well

 

[MR_BEN]

We've seen him one time and we have a thread, already? Give him time. While there are conflicting stories of his status with us, I think there an option to buy. So give him time to adjust to a new locale, a new club, a new set-up, etc.

Don't get down on him yet. After all, many of our best imports have taken time to adjust.

Rarely have players come in from other countries and blinded us with their brilliance immediately. Berbatov, Modric and Sandro weren't song-worthy until a few months, after all. I'd venture a guess that Davids was the last non-EPL player to make a quick transition and before him Klinsmann maybe. So give him time. He could be Asimovic or he could be the next legend. Most likely, he'll fall between the two


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van der vaart???????????????

 

[jamesc0le]

i just been catching up with first half of this game. yago looks ok and put in a couple of nice crosses from the right with his right peg. so obv could do a job on either wing (although he seems to be a more slower, composed central kind of player ala kranjcar)..
plus the comm just said he is from vigo, could well be spurs first ever galician, how can that EVER be a bad thing, eh?

OP is insane-o-flex. half a game into his spurs career, one that looks like warming up nicely..

 

[walworthyid]

I seem to remember Sandro was written off after his first couple of games with us as well

He was indeed mate, by several of our more "clueless" members. You could see from even that the he had something.

Yago looks decent, but not a Harry player for me. Harry likes his players to fit into his vision of what a team should be, as is the case with most english managers in fairness, hence why we just don't produce players in the inside forward or hole players mould with any regularity.

 

[mdharris]

I was impressed with falque. He looked calm and thoughtful on the ball, generally making sensible choices, keeping the ball, like a young modric. let's hope he continues his development.

 

[DEFchenkOE]

He was indeed mate, by several of our more "clueless" members. You could see from even that the he had something.

Yago looks decent, but not a Harry player for me. Harry likes his players to fit into his vision of what a team should be, as is the case with most english managers in fairness, hence why we just don't produce players in the inside forward or hole players mould with any regularity.

After the Bolton game last year Sandro was written off by so many on here as not being ready/good enough.

Agree about Falque. Not a usual Harry player and it's probably the same for Giovani and was the same for Taarabt. Not Harry's fault but over the years England just hasn't been big on the "between the lines" type of players and when they do come along they're usually made to fit into a rigid 442 where they won't excel.