Player Gleison Bremer

[Johnny J]

A similar theme is coming out in several transfer threads about who gets ‘dropped’ to make way for any potential signing. I just don’t think that’s how Conte is approaching the window. He’s obviously out to get the best players he can, but not necessarily as replacements or upgrades in every case. He’s trying to strengthen the squad as a whole and get away from the notion of a nominal XI + everyone else. I think Bremer fits that billing really well. He’s generally the centre of a 3 at Torino, so can alternate/compete with Dier, but could also play at RCB if Romero is rotated out or injured. He could probably also slot in to LCB if needs be too. In any scenario, the XI that starts a match is not impacted in a significantly negative way.

I'm sure this is correct. But we do have a finite budget and so can't sign elite players for depth in every position. I think that's what people mean when it comes to Dier and Bremer.

CCB isn't a position where people generally thought we needed a massive upgrade.

I fully trust Conte and Paratici so it doesn't matter what I think, of course.

 

[pedrodelawasp]

Dier is a strange one for me. Our defense was much improved at the end of the season but given his position he was a bit invisible for me.

The tearing hair out moments were gone but I also didn't notice him doing much outstanding. I really did forget he was out there much of the time. But I guess that can be a good thing for a defender.

I wonder if it was more down to him or the system.

When he was injured we definitely struggled so either way we definitely need competition for the place.

I think he really was the anchor of the back 3. Romero could push out as a higher pressing, aggressive defender knowing Dier had his back. Davies could double up on the left flank and offer an attacking presence knowing the same. Also, while his long range passing is not up there with the likes of Toby (or Kane these days) he can still ping pretty good balls out to the wide areas or over the top that can advance play.

 

[THFC_SWE]

I'm not saying Bremer is bad, but I think we need a left footed CB.

 

[EastUpperDK82]

I'm not saying Bremer is bad, but I think we need a left footed CB.

First and foremost we need defenders who can defend and are hungry for clean sheets.

Bremer just looks and acts like a proper defender.

 

[Scouseyid]

I'm not saying Bremer is bad, but I think we need a left footed CB.

They're a premium this summer. Good ones are very hard to come by as it is. What is important is quality & competitive squad options.

 

[Aphex]

Conte has been quoted as saying that he believes Dier can become one of the best central defenders going. I don't think he sees him spending more time on the bench. If I was a gambling man, I'd be thinking more along the lines of Conte having a plan to develop Bremer's game (which, for all his talents, is reportedly not complete) as a LCB, with the ability to cover for Dier in the event of injury/suspension.

Manager say a lot of things publicly about their own players to big them up, but that doesn't mean they won't upgrade if given the chance. We have to remember we are building a potential title challenging side, and that means that the level will be so high, some players still won't be good enough.

It's just speculating, but why would be in discussions for Lenglet as a LCB and also going for Bremer. Lenglet only really makes sense if we sign another CB (Bremer) to play elsewhere in defence and it isn't going to be Romero's spot. If you think about it, we aren't signing two CBs (Lenglet and Bremer) to both fight for LCB when we have Davies as a capable player already.

If the rumours are true as per ITK, that we are talking to Lenglet as a 2nd CB to bring in, and we are also getting closer to Bremer...the logical conclusion will be Lenglet and Davies will be the LCB, Bremer and Dier the CCB, and Romero / Tanganga or Sanchez at the RCB.

And Bremer is a better pure defender than Dier..he won't be coming here to sit on the bench. So it would on paper look like Bremer comes in to upgrade on Dier. Of course, Bremer could come in to play LCB, but then why would we be talking to Lenglet, as the information seems to indicate Lenglet is only an additional CB, not the main one we look to bring in.

Anyway, will be interesting to see how it all works out eventually.

 

[pedrodelawasp]

I'm sure this is correct. But we do have a finite budget and so can't sign elite players for depth in every position. I think that's what people mean when it comes to Dier and Bremer.

CCB isn't a position where people generally thought we needed a massive upgrade.

I fully trust Conte and Paratici so it doesn't matter what I think, of course.

The bit in bold I definitely agree with, but I also think it is an area we could certainly do with the depth. We have Davies, Dier and Romero, then Sanchez who had a few food displays when he was brought in. After that Rodon may well be away and who knows how Conte views Tanganga. I suppose a natural left sided CB would be more ‘urgent’ a recruitment policy for want of a better word, but if that’s a potentially very canny loan for Lenglet then that means someone like Bremer starts to make a lout of sense (well, to me at least… I could be talking nonsense )

 

[Pochie]

First and foremost we need defenders who can defend and are hungry for clean sheets.

Totally - let’s turn those draws and losses into wins. Brick wall, baby!

 

[GetKaned]

Who was their attacker of the season!?!?

Ciro Immobile

 

[rio bryan]

We are desperately in need of another CB as our 4th choice is Sanchez !

 

[THFC_SWE]

First and foremost we need defenders who can defend and are hungry after clean sheets.

Ofc, but at the same time it can be awkward for a right footed CB to play LCB, both when it comes to defending and carrying the ball forward.

 

[EastUpperDK82]

Ofc, but at the same time it can be awkward for a right footed CB to play LCB, both when it comes to defending and carrying the ball forward.

I see what you mean... but that should not be the important thing, when you get a chance to sign a class defender like Bremer... it's not like we are blessed with class defenders at Spurs...

We could use another player like Romero. No nonsense. Bremer fits the bill...

I want strikers to be afraid of our defence.

 

[allpaths]

Dier still showed holes in his game last year. Go watch ronaldos first goal in the 3-2 loss, its a world class finish, but dier pretty much acted like a glorified training ground dummy. The same exact scenario popped against burnley at home when Ashley Barnes hit the post. It could have easily cost us champions league. Bremer front foot style of play would cut those chances out.

Also dier isn't good enough in the air for our system. Our ccb needs to be close to a van dijk in the air. And while Bremer is shorter than Eric, his athleticism and the way he attacks balls makes me value him more when defending a one goal lead late in games.

In conclusion if we r seriously challenge liverpool and city, and with this manager we really should do our best, upgrading dier is a very sensible outcome. And Bremer is an outstanding candidate to take us to that next level.

Tldr: dier should be our john o'shea while Bremer be our Ferdinand.

 

[JCRD]

Dier is a strange one for me. Our defense was much improved at the end of the season but given his position he was a bit invisible for me.

The tearing hair out moments were gone but I also didn't notice him doing much outstanding. I really did forget he was out there much of the time. But I guess that can be a good thing for a defender.

I wonder if it was more down to him or the system.

When he was injured we definitely struggled so either way we definitely need competition for the place.

A great defender doesnt need to be prominent That is the point. Last minute lunges and tackles mean somethign went wrong int he first place. Carragher used to have a lot of last ditch defending, which made him look great, but actually why did it happen to begin with?

Like a good referee, defences should be making it easy and I guess, like you say, it could be a system thing.

 

[Norvern Munkey]

I keep reading that LCB is such a specialised position...... and that bremer isnt one.....as a centre back he will have many many requirements .... heading, 1 on 1, marking, tracking back, interceptions etc etc .... all of which he is more than commanding at whatever part of the pitch he happens to be stood on... so let's use Liverpool as an example and mo salah..... typical modern day inverted winger who will cut inside wherever possible.... hang on but that's onto bremers strongest side.. (and davies' weakest side tbh).... so alternatively he passes wide to TAA .... fine.... bremers job then is to get at the ball and get it away from danger, corner, throw in, row z on the halfway line.... it doesn't matter whether he is left footed, right footed, has an orthopedic shoe, or a real foot on the end of a prosthetic leg he will be awesome. ... its all in theory obvs but as part of a twin destroyers with romero it would be epic. And Eric dier is becoming quite accomplished as our organiser (not the finished article but heading the right way!) ....

 

[Trees]

Dier still showed holes in his game last year. Go watch ronaldos first goal in the 3-2 loss, its a world class finish, but dier pretty much acted like a glorified training ground dummy. The same exact scenario popped against burnley at home when Ashley Barnes hit the post. It could have easily cost us champions league. Bremer front foot style of play would cut those chances out.

Also dier isn't good enough in the air for our system. Our ccb needs to be close to a van dijk in the air. And while Bremer is shorter than Eric, his athleticism and the way he attacks balls makes me value him more when defending a one goal lead late in games.

In conclusion if we r seriously challenge liverpool and city, and with this manager we really should do our best, upgrading dier is a very sensible outcome. And Bremer is an outstanding candidate to take us to that next level.

Tldr: dier should be our john o'shea while Bremer be our Ferdinand.

That is harsh mate. Dier was my player of the season for us last year.

 

[Derryank]

The question is, can you improve on Dier by signing Bremer. If the answer is yes then you have to remove your sentimentality to the situation, as good as Dier has been for us recently.

Conte wants to win and if there’s an upgrade available for any of our players then you have to take it.

Time will tell if he is an upgrade.

Fantastic post. Simple really when you remove sentiment.

 

[Aphex]

A great defender doesnt need to be prominent That is the point. Last minute lunges and tackles mean somethign went wrong int he first place. Carragher used to have a lot of last ditch defending, which made him look great, but actually why did it happen to begin with?

Like a good referee, defences should be making it easy and I guess, like you say, it could be a system thing.

I'm really not sure Dier is a great defender though to be honest with you. I think Dier and Davies were really helped out by the organisation and system that Conte has implemented, but there were numerous times last season where Dier and Davies, made really careless mistakes that could and should have been punished by the opposition. Mistakes that elite defenders just don't make.

Davies and Dier are both upgradeable if you want to win and challenge the elite. Look at Liverpool and City, do you really think Davies and Dier would start regularly for them? If not, why not? The only answer is because they aren't good enough on an individual level.

VVD / Konate / Matip

Dias / Laporte / Stones

Davies / DIer / Romero.

Sorry but our backine stands out like a sore thumb but not in a good way. That isn't an elite defence.

 

[Graham Minshall]

Fantastic post. Simple really when you remove sentiment.

Maybe removing sentiment, but, are you confirming your bias?

 

[Aphex]

That is harsh mate. Dier was my player of the season for us last year.

He had a more injury free consistent season but Romero considering it was his first season, when he played he showed a much higer level. You didn't see Carragher singling out Dier for praise, but he was all over Romero. There are just different levels of abillity and class.