Gomes is becoming a liability again

[Bulletspur]

You say its bollocks and then agree with pretty much everything I said :rofl:

Probably I am talking bollocks as well then .
Anyway what I was trying to say was, you were seemed to insinuate that We were all over the Chelsea with most of the play, which were werent. We would have lost if the mentioned players had not upped their game.

 

[mano-obe]

I think Parks needs to instill some confidence in Gomes again.

He can be fantastic on his day but sadly he's making quite a few errors.

Chelsea, Arsenal, Inter, Blackburn spring to mind and quite a few flaps against the likes of West Brom and Fulham could have proven costly.

I love Gomes but he needs a kick up the arse at the moment. I'm sure once our defence becomes a lot more solid he'll gain more confidence also

 

[TheVoiceofReason]

Every player goes through a phase where they are slightly off form. Gomes is a great keeper, yet because of his rocky start at the club, commentators and pundits are very quick to blame him. He has a lot to do with the way we play, I'd like to see any keeper do a better job than he's done.

 

[TommyW]

Probably I am talking bollocks as well then .
Anyway what I was trying to say was, you were seemed to insinuate that We were all over the Chelsea with most of the play, which were werent. We would have lost if the mentioned players had not upped their game.

Na, I didn't mean to say that at all. We were on the back foot for the majority of the second half - but I still maintain that Chelsea didn't really look like scoring until Gomes' blunder. I felt more confident in our defence on Sunday than I have in a long time

 

[CaptainCat]

He makes instinctive saves that other keepers can only dream of making. He makes mistakes, but not as often as he makes the big saves. Therefore, we can't get rid of him.

 

[t79boy]

Every player goes through a phase where they are slightly off form. .

Yes, one bad day for a goalie means a mistake which is magnified many folds more than any outfield player

 

[Damian99]

Exactly. We didn't fail to win this game

But we did fail to win it though, but anyway if you seriously think that the same Chelsea were going to turn up at WHL and play like they had previously, then you really are very naive, short on confidence or not.

They also had one of their most influential players(their Captain)back in the side and another one back on the bench. While they may have struggled previously for wins what better opposition for them to get themselves fully fired up. You have to earn the right to compete against teams like Chelsea(Title winners) and while we weren't all that fantastic with the ball, we certainly didn't roll over and let me steam roll us.

And how the hell was this game like last seasons? :duh: We fucking outplayed them in that 2-1 win.

 

[hoddle1987]

he is better than anyone else who is available, apart from given.

 

[Bus-Conductor]

But we did fail to win it though, but anyway if you seriously think that the same Chelsea were going to turn up at WHL and play like they had previously, then you really are very naive, short on confidence or not.

They also had one of their most influential players(their Captain)back in the side and another one back on the bench. While they may have struggled previously for wins what better opposition for them to get themselves fully fired up. You have to earn the right to compete against teams like Chelsea(Title winners) and while we weren't all that fantastic with the ball, we certainly didn't roll over and let me steam roll us.

And how the hell was this game like last seasons? :duh: We fucking outplayed them in that 2-1 win.

You have to earn the right to play against any side, I've been saying the same for a long time.

The pattern and dynamics of this game weren't exactly the same in every minute detail, but last season we ended up sitting back and letting ten man Chelsea have 64% of the ball, when all we had to do was press better and keep it better and they should have been fucked. As it was they got back into the game, and Drogba had an almost identical chance in an identical place to to the one he had this year and dragged it wide. We also wasted several break chances last year, just like we did this year. Overall the pattern had similarities.

No two games are identical, and for about 15 minutes each side of half time last year we were excellent - we were never excellent in sunday's game - but Chelsea were as sloppy as I've seen them in recent years at our place. At no stage in that game did we rattle them like we have done at various stages of games.

 

[Damian99]

You have to earn the right to play against any side, I've been saying the same for a long time.

Indeed. On a different note while a few people had problems with Lennon's performance on sunday. Even though he didn't put in the best of crosses, he did put half decent balls in, i just wonder if he gets fed up putting the ball into the box to two very static forwards. Twice on sunday had one of them had the brains to make a run across the near post something may have come out of them as it was the keeper just swallowed them up.

 

[Bus-Conductor]

Palacios had his best game BECAUSE we had to defend. And he is bloody good at it. Modric did his tippity tappity routine and his usual "out" if he gets near the goal. He never has the confidence when he gets in front of goal that he does in the middle of the park. He either falls over or blasts it over the bar.

We controlled large amounts of the game? He is our playmaker, 1 shot on target and he had nothing to do with that anyway. He did not control the game, he had an ok performance from a well rounded aspect, he surprised me in aspects that he usually fails at, tackling, heading and cutting out passes. But he wasn't involved enough. He makes us go sideways too often.

Why can he keep his balance in the middle of the park like a world class player, then flop around as soon as he gets anywhere near the goal. That is the difference between a top 4 midfielder, and a "nice little player".

He bottles it.

But this is about Gomes. So I don't want to get into the Modric thing too deep. I think he had was OK. OK is not top 4 given his responsibility and role.

Modric is definitely top 4 quality. He is the best footballer we have, and the most important player. But playing CM in a 442 requires discipline. If you look at our season, some of the best moments - like the goal that unlocked Inter's defence first, the free kick he won at arse - involve Modric playing in the final third and he is the best player we have at feeding passes through a defence. But it is much harder to do it when you also have the responsibility of playing CM in a 442 and it's taken lung busting effort to get their and you then have to keep getting back into position press the ball around the park and then go again.

It is this reason that I have always defended Jenas. He has his shortcomings, but a lot of people don't realise how difficult it is to perform your defensive responsibilities in a 442 and still contribute in the final third without compromising the team. It's also why so few teams over the last few years have played 442.

It's also why I desperately want to see Modric playing with less responsibility.

But, you have got to get off this "he's not that great thing" it's simply not true, and not true by a long way.

 

[gibbs131]

Absolute utter fucking nonsense. You can still be a world class midfield player irrespective of what you do in front of goal. He does fluff his lines in an around the box more often than not but he showed exceptional skill and composure in the champions league the other week against Werder with a neatly taken goal.

:wink:

BTW, this is another reminder that I predicted Modric would either score or get an assist for the Weder game.

 

[Damian99]

:wink:

BTW, this is another reminder that I predicted Modric would either score or get an assist for the Weder game.

So what you're saying is your are very good with predictions but then just talk total bullshit afterwards. :shrug:

 

[gibbs131]

Modric is definitely top 4 quality. He is the best footballer we have, and the most important player. But playing CM in a 442 requires discipline. If you look at our season, some of the best moments - like the goal that unlocked Inter's defence first, the free kick he won at arse - involve Modric playing in the final third and he is the best player we have at feeding passes through a defence. But it is much harder to do it when you also have the responsibility of playing CM in a 442 and it's taken lung busting effort to get their and you then have to keep getting back into position press the ball around the park and then go again.

It is this reason that I have always defended Jenas. He has his shortcomings, but a lot of people don't realise how difficult it is to perform your defensive responsibilities in a 442 and still contribute in the final third without compromising the team. It's also why so few teams over the last few years have played 442.

He was great against Inter. I always said he is a beautiful thing to watch at home. He is a homer
It's also why I desperately want to see Modric playing with less responsibility.

But, you have got to get off this "he's not that great thing" it's simply not true, and not true by a long way.

Modric was arguably the worst player for Spurs against Arsenal. The free kick as a classic microcosm of my argument. He went over after he lost the ball. It was actually a good tackle. It took VDV to take the free kick, Fab to handball, and the VDV to take the penalty. If we have to rely on that to get Modders involved in a a goal then that is a shaky platform. Remember he gave the ball away for fun and ball watched a lot in that game The match thread exploded with anti Modric gasps of "get him off".

As for Inter etc. I am 100% for Modric at home. He is great in his comfort zone. Which is why I was slightly disappointed in Modders vs Chelsea because he is usually better than that at home.

 

[stemark44]

Gomes is quickly becoming our David James.
Can make world class saves one minute and huge fuck ups in the next.

 

[gibbs131]

So what you're saying is your are very good with predictions but then just talk total bullshit afterwards. :shrug:

You just agreed with what I said, and then said it was utter bullshit.

Then you bring up a game I predicted he would play good in.

Anyway, back to Gomes. I'd love to discuss Modric but my thread was locked. Funnily it got locked as soon as my predictions happened. Strange that.

 

[KILLA_SIN]

When did Given get this reputation for being a top class GK? He is competent but nothing special.

 

[Bus-Conductor]

Indeed. On a different note while a few people had problems with Lennon's performance on sunday. Even though he didn't put in the best of crosses, he did put half decent balls in, i just wonder if he gets fed up putting the ball into the box to two very static forwards. Twice on sunday had one of them had the brains to make a run across the near post something may have come out of them as it was the keeper just swallowed them up.

I had problems with Defoe, Pav and Lennon on sunday. The lack of intelligence shown by all three of them at times was fucking criminal. We got ourselves into several really good positions on the break and every time one of those three fucked it up by not using their heads. Lennon at least worked hard and tried but Defoe touched the ball six times and both him and Pav are like a pair of brainless seven year old girls. A defender only has to look at them and they shit themselves. Time and time again we couldn't build anything because everytime we tried to play it out it just came straight back because Defoe and Pav couldn't hold onto it.

I'd never play Pav and Defoe for the same reason Keane and Defoe. None of those three are prepared to do the donkey work for the other and none of them have any bollocks. I'd play Crouch every time and let Lennon and Bale hit him and have one of the others (preferably) VDV feeding off him. At least you know the ball won't come back every time.

 

[Damian99]

You just agreed with what I said, and then said it was utter bullshit.

Then you bring up a game I predicted he would play good in.

Anyway, back to Gomes. I'd love to discuss Modric but my thread was locked. Funnily it got locked as soon as my predictions happened. Strange that.

No, you predicted he would score or assist, which he did. Then after the event you just generally talk out of your arse.

 

[Damian99]

Modric was arguably the worst player for Spurs against Arsenal. The free kick as a classic microcosm of my argument. He went over after he lost the ball. It was actually a good tackle. It took VDV to take the free kick, Fab to handball, and the VDV to take the penalty. If we have to rely on that to get Modders involved in a a goal then that is a shaky platform. Remember he gave the ball away for fun and ball watched a lot in that game The match thread exploded with anti Modric gasps of "get him off".

As for Inter etc. I am 100% for Modric at home. He is great in his comfort zone. Which is why I was slightly disappointed in Modders vs Chelsea because he is usually better than that at home.

See.