Gomes is becoming a liability again

[SpurSince57]

Gomes is the ONLY good goalkeeper we've had in 20 years - certainly since Thorstvedt, probably since Clemence.

I happy to overlook his mistakes because for every one, he makes two world-class saves that no other keeper around would get close to.

Thorsvedt wasn't that great, certainly no better than Robbo before he lost the plot, possibly not as good, and much of a muchness with Sullivan, Krazy and Walker, all of whom suffered the same problem as Robbo; great start, then a decline. The common factor—Segers—was pointed out long ago.

For me, the best since Big Pat.

 

[Khilari]

bit harsh on Keller and Robbo - who when we signed him was probably the best keeper in the Prem. Yes he lost form and his Spurs and England form suffered after that, but for at least 2 seasons he was superb. I still remember the England vs Argentina game, when he single handedly kept them in it.

And Kasey Keller was absolutely brilliant; for a couple of seasons he saved us from numerous beatings behind an average back four with no midfield strength. I still remember us holding Man Utd to a 0-0 draw when a Manure fan phoned in to Five Live saying they'd love to have our keeper

But yes, Gomes is a fantastic keeper - perhaps in the Fabian Barthez mould; great with occasional lapses like pretty much all other keepers around

 

[SpurSince57]

I don't think I'm being harsh on Krazy or Robbo—I was always one of the latter's biggest supporters on here. It would be foolish, however, to deny that both had a major decline in form after a great start.

 

[SpurSince57]

what amazes me is some of the responses we have on here. "Gomes is the best keeper we have had in 20 years, He makes some incredible saves" are we at his mercy because he is the best we have had in 20 years ? i may as well use the argument that our current strikers got us 4th last year so stop complaining we have never had it this good.

Gomes has obvious flaws and some strengths. right now the flaws are of concern to me. in a crucial game or two he could cost us the game just like he has done this season already. it is not about the chelsea game in isolation.

Since we have let in precisely the same number of goals after seventeen games this season as we did last (when no-one was complaining about Gomes), what's your problem, apart from that permanent head cold, high up? Gomes' flaws don't concern me a fraction as much as the Caspar Milquetoast idiocy of posts like this.

 

[HildoSpur]

Gomes is a magnificent goalkeeper, he really is. Not sure who the heck some people think we can get to replace him who is any better? Casilias? buffon? Dream on. he is prone to the odd error (shock horror) but he is really top class and needs to be supported. Anybody who cant see that needs their heads examined imo.

 

[Bulletspur]

Modric was arguably the worst player for Spurs against Arsenal. The free kick as a classic microcosm of my argument. He went over after he lost the ball. It was actually a good tackle. It took VDV to take the free kick, Fab to handball, and the VDV to take the penalty. If we have to rely on that to get Modders involved in a a goal then that is a shaky platform. Remember he gave the ball away for fun and ball watched a lot in that game The match thread exploded with anti Modric gasps of "get him off".

As for Inter etc. I am 100% for Modric at home. He is great in his comfort zone. Which is why I was slightly disappointed in Modders vs Chelsea because he is usually better than that at home.

Gibbsy, this is why you get all the flack. You use one isolated incident to judge Modric, just as the OP used isolated incidents to Judge Gomes, ignoring the countless good plays that both made in contributing to our games.

 

[Bulletspur]

Thorsvedt wasn't that great, certainly no better than Robbo before he lost the plot, possibly not as good, and much of a muchness with Sullivan, Krazy and Walker, all of whom suffered the same problem as Robbo; great start, then a decline. The common factor—Segers—was pointed out long ago.

For me, the best since Big Pat.

I agree

 

[thfcsteff]

The Ajax keeper has been itching for a big move for a while. Gomes will cost us any chance of glory this season. A total clown!

Oh dear...

 

[gibbs131]

Gibbsy, this is why you get all the flack. You use one isolated incident to judge Modric, just as the OP used isolated incidents to Judge Gomes, ignoring the countless good plays that both made in contributing to our games.

No way. I said he would have a bad game for Arsenal. And I said he would have 2 good games after that. And he DID. So I don't ignore anything.

The amount of times I have highlighted Modrics great points, and get IGNORED in favor of me claiming Modders is shite shows how the clique don't even have an argument against me. I know Modrics strong points. I HIGHLIGHT them BEFORE games.

It is YOU. It is YOU that ignore my posts about Modric. And the clique don't even aknowledge the good I say about it because they can't wrap their heads around the fact that Modders isnt ALWAYS the solution in certain games.

And as for me claiming it's not always Gomes, fault here is an interview from the man himself:



The result left fifth-placed Spurs five points off the summit. "Teams like Man United or Chelsea, they keep a lot of clean sheets," Gomes said. "We just changed the way we play now. We need time to adapt.

"Sometimes, we need to be more compact, defending, to keep more clean sheets. We concede goals because we attack as well. This season, we have a player like Luka Modric playing in midfield. I think we are still up there; we can keep going and can finish up there.''

Spurs' solidity was boosted by the surprise return from injury of Michael Dawson, who led by example more than three months since his previous first-team appearance.

"He's a great player,'' Gomes said. "We kept a lot of clean sheets together last season. He was great for us and I think he's amazing in front of me. He's started now and he needs time to adapt.''

Dawson captained the side on his return in the absence of the injured William Gallas.

"He is a great guy," Gomes added. "He is a friend of everybody. He pushes us a bit and we need players like him.''




So there is Gomes saying we need to be more compact in defense. Because the more chaotic the defense is, the more chance we have of Gomes looking like a fool because we are not doing the basics.

 

[ShelfSide18]

Gomes is great.

Gibbs you are literally deterring people away from threads. You know what, you do often come up with some good points, but it is so shrouded in your own bullshit and self interest that many can't take you seriously. Ditch the Ole Gibbsy stuff, stop turning threads into you're petty little squabbles and just talk Spurs because you do actually have a lot to say inbetween the crap. You're not Stuart Baggs are you?

 

[gibbs131]

Gomes is great.

Gibbs you are literally deterring people away from threads. You know what, you do often come up with some good points, but it is so shrouded in your own bullshit and self interest that many can't take you seriously. Ditch the Ole Gibbsy stuff, stop turning threads into you're petty little squabbles and just talk Spurs because you do actually have a lot to say inbetween the crap. You're not Stuart Baggs are you?

I turn them into petty squables?

Check this out:

http://www.spurscommunity.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?t=67416

Who is talking Spurs? Me. I talk Spurs more than anyone on this website. I ignore countless jibes and tend to talk about football.

Actually read my responses, and read other comments. And see which one is being petty.

 

[ShelfSide18]

I turn them into petty squables?

Check this out:

http://www.spurscommunity.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?t=67416

Who is talking Spurs? Me. I talk Spurs more than anyone on this website. I ignore countless jibes and tend to talk about football.

Actually read my responses, and read other comments. And see which one is being petty.

Yeah, you do, it's boring. Even when you are arguing a point I may be inclined to agree with you still drag everything down to you in your never ending quest to see everyone on SC say 'we should trust Ol Gibbsy'. You know what, everyone on here gets things right and wrong, but not all of us continue to drag up old dirt in a desperate quest for recognition. I don't care what is in the link you just posted, I'm not in the slightest bit interested and by posting it kind of proves my point.

I used to read your stuff quite often, but now anytime I click into a thread that has been hijacked by you I (and I'm certain a lot of others) are instantly put off. Yes you may talk a lot about Spurs, but often in the context of trying to prove others wrong and yourself right - you're not that important. As I said, behind the shit you do make some good points, but I'm not sure we can all sift through this shit any longer.

And Gomes is bloody brilliant.

 

[gibbs131]

Yeah, you do, it's boring. Even when you are arguing a point I may be inclined to agree with you still drag everything down to you in your never ending quest to see everyone on SC say 'we should trust Ol Gibbsy'. You know what, everyone on here gets things right and wrong, but not all of us continue to drag up old dirt in a desperate quest for recognition. I don't care what is in the link you just posted, I'm not in the slightest bit interested and by posting it kind of proves my point.

I used to read your stuff quite often, but now anytime I click into a thread that has been hijacked by you I (and I'm certain a lot of others) are instantly put off. Yes you may talk a lot about Spurs, but often in the context of trying to prove others wrong and yourself right - you're not that important. As I said, behind the shit you do make some good points, but I'm not sure we can all sift through this shit any longer.

And Gomes is bloody brilliant.

Have some fun with it. The people who antagonize me are only doing so because they can't hide from the past. Take this thread for example. The people bashing Gomes in a years time will have forgotten all about this and will be behind him again once our defensive woes are fixed.

I actually just got an infraction for bringing up an old thread of most of the clique bashing Hutton when he was coming back from injury. Where I said he was rusty but is exactly the type of player we need once he has games under his belt.

Have you seen the shit people say when Modric has a good game to me? They drag that shit up left right and center and no infractions. The fact that I have to remind them that I predicted he would have a good game is what causes them to revert to jibes. Because I have already talked football, but they can't get past the sour grapes.

I need people like you to say "I agree" to me more often. But the mob rules.

 

[sloth]

Are you a visionary Gibbs?

 

[gibbs131]

Are you a visionary Gibbs?

My dayjob is to find faults in software. I do the same with Spurs.

I'm better as seeing what is wrong, than what is good. I'm not a visionary. I use trends and watch games twice to make informed decisions. And I don't let sentiment get in my way. When I watch a game a second time, I watch what is happening around the ball rather than who is on it.

 

[Shanks]

Lol

 

[ever]

But the mob rules.

No I rule (well along with the other staff aswell, but mainly me, yes im that good)

so basically can everyone stop all this crap, every threads getting dragged into the crap now, no one cares about who was right and who was wrong (im always right, you are all always wrong :grin: )and if anything its creating more work for the staff.

otherwise i will ban the lot of you for trolling/spamming/being a dick

and you can trust ol' ev'sy on that :grin:

 

[Rocksuperstar]

My dayjob is to find faults in software.

syntax error - line 1

 

[Montasura]

No I rule (well along with the other staff aswell, but mainly me, yes im that good)

so basically can everyone stop all this crap, every threads getting dragged into the crap now, no one cares about who was right and who was wrong (im always right, you are all always wrong :grin: )and if anything its creating more work for the staff.

otherwise i will ban the lot of you for trolling/spamming/being a dick

and you can trust ol' ev'sy on that :grin:

Well hopefully I can put this to bed once and for all.

Gomes is the best keeper we have had in a long, long time. Maybe the naysayers should be looking at our back line before having a go at the big lad in the sticks. He would have a lot less to do if they did their job a bit better sometimes.

 

[sloth]

BC, you're going to laugh at this...

I've been looking at the goalkeeper stats for the Premier League, via this excellent site:

http://scores.nbcsports.msnbc.com/epl/players.asp?player=82433

And they seem to confirm the hypothesis that Gomes is having a poor season by his and everyone else's standards.

First of all this year Gomes only has a 72% save to shot ratio, that places him as the 8th best keeper in the league one place and 0.5% better than Green.

In terms of shots faced he's faced 65 shots on goal, that's 6 fewer than Cech and only 6 more than Van Der Sar, it's 30 plus fewer than Friedal, Foster or Green. In other words it puts to rest the theory that he's not getting the protection from the defence, our defence has done a better job of restricting shots on goal than Chelsea's, for instance.

But forget comparing him to the other keepers, how does this season's performance compare to previous season's ones.

In 2009 his save percentage was 79%

In 2008, the so called dodgy year, it was even higher at 79.1%

To put that into context in those years only Van der Sar bettered him (80.9%, 83.1%). Cech also has a very good record over a longer period (83.3%, 82.6%, 72% (last year), 83.1%).

This season the top three keepers in the league are Cech (83.3%), Foster (80%), Hart (79.7%). Gomes at 72.3% is some distance below them, but by his usual standards he would be in the top 3 in the league. On current for he's worse than Fabianski (74.4%) Though considerably better than Paul Robinson was in his final season with us (65.4%)

Anyway, as we can see, all keepers suffer a dip in form, Cech saved only 72% of shots last year for instance, Van Der Sar has only saved 73.3% so far this year, so the people saying keep off Gomes' back seem to be correct, but the people questioing whether his form has dipped are also correct, because it clearly has.