Happy for Luka and Proud

[StartingPrice]

The evidence is in your humanity, sir.

1) No, it really isn't - stop being tedious and pretnetious just because you've read Philosophy for Beginnners.

2) Implied hypocrisy through membership of the human speices is, in any case, irrelevent - you stated that members of this forum were being specifically hypocritical on this matter in this thread, unless they took your stance (untainted by DNA deep hypocrisy, unlike the rest of humanity, of course). I have asked you to specifically substantiate this claim in regard to my posts, not waffle some geberic nonsense about humanity being congenitally hypocritical. Can you do this?

Just to add to that

If you'd also be so kind as to recount the conversations you've had with Mr Modric and Mr Levy on the issue, that'd be ace

Regards

Relevance?
I have made no such claim!
Another poster has asked for proof positive of Modric's behaviour, which you would know if you bothered to read the thread (in which you were so roundly criticising so many, oh wise one). This is easily countered - there was a statement on the OS concning Modric's behaviour and the actions taken by the club.

I repeat, again (because your wisdom seems to be tainted by comprehension deficiencies), I have been consistent throughout on this matter, in all applications of the word (so far as I can tell), and I have not just taken a stance based on support of THFC, but based on an application to all other clubs and the ramifications on football as a whole. Now, again, can you show me where I have been either hypocritical or myopic in this thread.

I think I see the way you are pinned: you imagine that by taking the stance you have predetermined is the more magnanimous you are actually being more of a moral agent - which means you are putting the horse before the cart. How tedious

 

[senseispab]

/snip

What I'm saying is that your grimly judgemental stance is disappointing, ugly and saddening in equal measure.

You're typing essays worth of self-justificatory tat which all essentially boils down to "I'm a better man than him" which, despite your protestations to the contrary, I somehow doubt.

And this is all on a topic about which you have far from all the facts. In fact everything you've typed is based on reportage and secondary sources.

Having said all that, I do forgive you. As I've said, you're doing no more than most people do in their day to day lives. We'll all die equally alone one day, so while we're alive let's try and make ourselves feel a bit special, eh?

And don't worry, I'm under no illusions that my superior tone is nothing other than my way of investing in the same reassuring folly that you are.

That's why we're here, after all

Be sanguine, sir.

 

[jamesc0le]

tend to agree with senseispab i'm afraid to say..


might aswell forgive myself for being a bit of a **** at the same time

 

[StartingPrice]

What I'm saying is that your grimly judgemental stance is disappointing, ugly and saddening in equal measure.

You're typing essays worth of self-justificatory tat which all essentially boils down to "I'm a better man than him" which, despite your protestations to the contrary, I somehow doubt.

And this is all on a topic about which you have far from all the facts. In fact everything you've typed is based on reportage and secondary sources.

Having said all that, I do forgive you. As I've said, you're doing no more than most people do in their day to day lives. We'll all die equally alone one day, so while we're alive let's try and make ourselves feel a bit special, eh?

And don't worry, I'm under no illusions that my superior tone is nothing other than my way of investing in the same reassuring folly that you are.

That's why we're here, after all

Be sanguine, sir.

"self-justificatory tat " - seems to me that this is what you are doing. Look at me, I won't point out that he behaved in a specifically unethical way, which makes me a more moral agent and capable of criticising your stance. Get over yourself.

And you know me - how? So you don't know the level to which I break or adhere to any moral or ethical code.

And once again, you rather than showing specifically in this thread where I have been hypocritical or myopic in any substantiative manner, you are relying on your Philosophy 1.0.1 guide book (the type of thing I may have been pontificating on 20-odd years ago when I was a frech graduate, too ).

So, come on, I am asking you again (3rd time, now, without even the remotest attempt from you of providing a satisfactory answer), show me, in this thread, specifically, where I have been hypocritical or myopic, because that is what you accused me off.

 

[Dezzydez]

Neither proud or sad tbh, but he gave us a good 4 years, he raised his profile and he has moved on. End of. Just glad it wasn't to Man U or Chelski. Hats off to Levy I say.

 

[StartingPrice]

tend to agree with senseispab i'm afraid to say..


might aswell forgive myself for being a bit of a **** at the same time

So, you don't think that any argument that the type of behaviour he displayed is generally harmful to the health of the game is viable - or, like Pab, did you not actually read the thread, but previously decide that within your own limitations you couldn't find any reason to question his behaviour and therefore that must be the most morally justifiable stance to take.

Some of us actually care about the game. And I doubt you could find anywhere any threat or wish for harm from me, about this player, just a flat statement that he behaved in a speficially unethical way towards the club (and football at large), and, on those grounds, I wouldn't be wishing him well unless it specifically benefitted our club (i.e. financially). Why should I, for instead. want Real Madrid to beat, say, Valencia, just because an ex Spurs player who behaved unethically towards the club now plays for them?

 

[senseispab]

"self-justificatory tat " - seems to me that this is what you are doing. Look at me, I won't point out that he behaved in a specifically unethical way, which makes me a more moral agent and capable of criticising your stance. Get over yourself.

And you know me - how? So you don't know the level to which I break or adhere to any moral or ethical code.

And once again, you rather than showing specifically in this thread where I have been hypocritical or myopic in any substantiative manner, you are relying on your Philosophy 1.0.1 guide book (the type of thing I may have been pontificating on 20-odd years ago when I was a frech graduate, too ).

So, come on, I am asking you again (3rd time, now, without even the remotest attempt from you of providing a satisfactory answer), show me, in this thread, specifically, where I have been hypocritical or myopic, because that is what you accused me off.

Poor show old bean.

But I have a big heart and a warm smile.

Bask in my benevolence.

 

[StartingPrice]

Poor show old bean.

But I have a big heart and a warm smile.

Bask in my benevolence.

Comeon, you specifically stated that hypocrisy and myopia in this thread - substantiate that without your cod philosophising, if you can (or confirm that you are continuing with your cod philosophising because you are aware that your claim of specific hypocrisy and myopia was, actually, moribund, and, thus, confirm my suspicions that you are sensie of one three legged cat and a pair of beagles down the back alley. With reference only, mind, to this thread, and not some alleged propensity to hypocrisy inherent in human nature!

I bet you don't even know what the gist of my argument was.

 

[BorisTM]

Modric looked exhausted after the final whistle and had no shame to lean on his knees right in the middle of the pitch. All this after he played for about 10 mins, made few short runs, and jogged or ball watched most of the time. He was the only one who did it, none of the Barca players who played for almost an hour a man down and were trying to catch up with the score displayed such fatigue. This is quite pathetic considering he had just been signed from supposedly the most physical league in the world.

He won his first trophy as a sub, against 10 men Barca, in typical Modric style - failing to convert an excellent pass in the box by shooting straight at the defender. Good for him. I'm more than happy that he is gone. Never rated the guy. Now let's move on and stop beating on the dead horse.

 

[senseispab]

Comeon, you specifically stated that hypocrisy and myopia in this thread - substantiate that without your cod philosophising, if you can (or confirm that you are continuing with your cod philosophising because you are aware that your claim of specific hypocrisy and myopia was, actually, moribund, and, thus, confirm my suspicions that you are sensie of one three legged cat and a pair of beagles down the back alley. With reference only, mind, to this thread, and not some alleged propensity to hypocrisy inherent in human nature!

I bet you don't even know what the gist of my argument was.

I did. At length. Your rage blinded you to it.

I'm very disappointed in you right now

Be the bigger man! I'm rooting for you! YOU CAN DO IT!

 

[senseispab]

YES WE CAN!!!!

 

[StartingPrice]

I did. At length. Your rage blinded you to it.

I'm very disappointed in you right now

Be the bigger man! I'm rooting for you! YOU CAN DO IT!

No, you haven't substantiated it your claim that I was being specifically hypocritical and myopic in this thread anywhere, once. You just keep on repeating your A'Level Grade B philosophy essay on laissez faire as though it is some argument clincher.

I am beyond disappointed in you. You have made one assertion that was totally unfounded other than on the basis that you had decided, in some moral hoodwinking you inflict upon yourself, that you viewpoint couldn't be wrong, roundly condemned everyone else, and then refused to debate the matter (making me dount you sensei credentials - unless it is in the Dojo of Defunct Reasoning). And when called out on it, you have fobbed me off with your moral reasoning for intermediate studies crap.

Come on, show me where, in this thread, I have shown hypocrisy - without the lame oh you must have been hypocritical at some stage in your life and therefore I will hide behind that bullshit!

 

[senseispab]

No, you haven't substantiated it your claim that I was being specifically hypocritical and myopic in this thread anywhere, once. You just keep on repeating your A'Level Grade B philosophy essay on laissez faire as though it is some argument clincher.

I am beyond disappointed in you. You have made one assertion that was totally unfounded other than on the basis that you had decided, in some moral hoodwinking you inflict upon yourself, that you viewpoint couldn't be wrong, roundly condemned everyone else, and then refused to debate the matter (making me dount you sensei credentials - unless it is in the Dojo of Defunct Reasoning). And when called out on it, you have fobbed me off with your moral reasoning for intermediate studies crap.

Come on, show me where, in this thread, I have shown hypocrisy - without the lame oh you must have been hypocritical at some stage in your life and therefore I will hide behind that bullshit!

It would be my pleasure to highlight your hypocrisy!

(but for the fact I haven't read a single thing you've written in this thread that wasn't a reply to something I said.)

 

[StartingPrice]

It would be my pleasure to highlight your hypocrisy!

(but for the fact I haven't read a single thing you've written in this thread that wasn't a reply to something I said.)

Exactly. Of course you hadn't.

You said I had been hypocritical: If I had said that Modric's behaviour had been an utter disgrace, but that Dempsey, who has behaved similarly, and we are supposedly after, was absolutely right to do so because we wanted to sign him [sic.], then, within the context of the thread, that would have been hypocritical.

You said I had been myopic: To reference the above argument, if I had said Modric's behaviour had been a disgrace because he had done it to Spurs, but that Dempsey's behaviour hadn't because he only did it to Fulham and I only care about my own club, that would have been myopic.

But seen as one of the main strands of my argument had been that this type of behaviour is ultimately damaging to football as a spectator sport as it makes it more and more difficult to plan and build a team, which is one of the main things that makes the sport an attractive spectacle, then I don't think you labelling my posts in this thread as hypocritical and myopic was in the least bit warranted. Is all.

So, if you can show that I was hypocritical and myopic in this thread I would be humble and apologetic.

 

[senseispab]

Exactly. Of course you hadn't.

You said I had been hypocritical: If I had said that Modric's behaviour had been an utter disgrace, but that Dempsey, who has behaved similarly, and we are supposedly after, was absolutely right to do so because we wanted to sign him [sic.], then, within the context of the thread, that would have been hypocritical.

You said I had been myopic: To reference the above argument, if I had said Modric's behaviour had been a disgrace because he had done it to Spurs, but that Dempsey's behaviour hadn't because he only did it to Fulham and I only care about my own club, that would have been myopic.

But seen as one of the main strands of my argument had been that this type of behaviour is ultimately damaging to football as a spectator sport as it makes it more and more difficult to plan and build a team, which is one of the main things that makes the sport an attractive spectacle, then I don't think you labelling my posts in this thread as hypocritical and myopic was in the least bit warranted. Is all.

So, if you can show that I was hypocritical and myopic in this thread I would be humble and apologetic.

In this instance the devil really isn't in the detail - look into your heart!

Here, I'll help you. I, senseispab, am a hypocrite. I am also petty, small-minded and generally pretty ignorant. But I do my best to sound authoritative even when I haven't got the foggiest what I'm on about

Sanctimony and hypocrisy are the ebony and ivory of character flaws.

 

[senseispab]

PS it's been fun debating you today, sir. Was having a mare of a time in the office, and this was a fun distraction.

 

[StartingPrice]

In this instance the devil really isn't in the detail - look into your heart!

Here, I'll help you. I, senseispab, am a hypocrite. I am also petty, small-minded and generally pretty ignorant. But I do my best to sound authoritative even when I haven't got the foggiest what I'm on about

Sanctimony and hypocrisy are the ebony and ivory of character flaws.

No, it really isn't. I thought we were making progress in leading you away from your petty cod philosophising - obviously, I was wrong.

You never said we are all generally, or generically, hypocritical (whether than is true or not), you said we were being specifically hypocritical and myopic. You have failed to show, anwhere, despite my repeated requests, to show where I have been hypocritical in this thread, and you haven't even attempted to prove tha ccusation of myopia. All you have done is repeated verbatim this pathetic wishy-washy all people are hypocritical BS.

Wow, it's like you've read a 1st Year primer on Modrern history and got as far as The 1960s.
I suspect your dojo may go broke if that is the level of your wisdom.

 

[stemark44]

Why should Modric be treated with disdain by Spurs fans............he isn't from North London and he isn't,nor has he ever been a Spurs fan.
He is Croatian.
He is a professional footballer and was an employee of Tottenham Hotspur.
He received a much better offer both on a professional and financial level and wanted to leave.
Get over it!

 

[BorisTM]

Why should Modric be treated with disdain by Spurs fans............he isn't from North London and he isn't,nor has he ever been a Spurs fan.
He is Croatian.
He is a professional footballer and was an employee of Tottenham Hotspur.
He received a much better offer both on a professional and financial level and wanted to leave.
Get over it!

Are you F kidding me? The guy was treated like a king by the chairman, manager and a big portion of the fans, his first place in the starting line-up was guaranteed. After he bragged that he wanted to achieve success with Spurs following the renewal of his contract, next summer he tried to kick everyone in the balls and shit all over the face of those who were kissing his ass with a move to Chelsea. Do I need to explain to you why a move to Chelsea wouldn't be taken well by many Spurs fans? His reason was because we couldn't qualify for the CL and obviously we weren't good enough for him so he wanted a move to a "bigger club".

Let me refresh your memory about why we couldn't qualify for CL. After we got trashed 4-0 in the FA cup by Fulham with Modric in the line-up, our next three league games ware Blackburn away, a tough place to play, Bolton at home and Sunderland away, another tough game. Modric got a mysterious injury, so he missed them all. The spot was filled by Jenas (God forbid as many would have said). We won all those three games, Kranjcar played it two of those games too. Then Modric comes back and of the next 10 games we win only one, against Stoke. Had goalless draws against West Ham at home and Wigan away. Lost to Blackpool away and couldn't beat them home. Drew with Wolves away and West Brom at home. Lost to Chelsea and Man city, both away. Drew at home with Arsenal.

 

[Kingstheman]

Why should Modric be treated with disdain by Spurs fans............he isn't from North London and he isn't,nor has he ever been a Spurs fan.
He is Croatian.
He is a professional footballer and was an employee of Tottenham Hotspur.
He received a much better offer both on a professional and financial level and wanted to leave.
Get over it!

Football fans are free to their opinions of Luka Modric, be they nice or nasty.