Agree.
Harry Redknapp
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Agree.
Wsussexspur
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This mess needs sorting out today.
spursfan77
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Whatever happens the club will come out of this looking like the bad guys in the media so we may as well get used to it now. They wont let the whole truth get in the way of a good headline.
whitelightwhiteheat
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Who gives a fuck what the media have to say? That's the least of our concerns.
What should concern us is the fact we have a Chairman/Manager team that don't see eye to eye, end of season turmoil that needs to be resolved, and a future to secure beyond the present.
If that means changing manager then so be it. So the shit rag journos will write some bad stuff about us sacking the Media Darling Harry. I could live with that.
Especially since I don't buy or read any shit rag papers anyway. So it'll be pretty easy for me.
What should concern us is the fact we have a Chairman/Manager team that don't see eye to eye, end of season turmoil that needs to be resolved, and a future to secure beyond the present.
If that means changing manager then so be it. So the shit rag journos will write some bad stuff about us sacking the Media Darling Harry. I could live with that.
Especially since I don't buy or read any shit rag papers anyway. So it'll be pretty easy for me.
Dan Ashcroft
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Can't see that he's been given odds: http://www.oddschecker.com/football/football-specials/tottenham-specials/next-permanent-manager
Wouldn't be unhappy with him at all.
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Agree, this just needs sorting now. There has always bheen an undertone of these two not getting on, just an uncomfortable business association. Now while things are rosy, like being 13 points clear in 3rd, there is no need to rock the boat so there is an uneasy truce between them, but when that lead is frittered away and we miss out on CL, the obvious tensions return. I believe it will always be this way with these two, only success will smooth the mood, and our end of season can be seen as anything but successful.
The reality is, if a change is gouing to be made, better now than later, give a full pre-season to whoever is running the team. Plus, with Rodgers already off the market, we need to move quickly to secure whichever targets remain.
So, to the runners and riders... (or at least my take on those I've heard mentioned so far)
Moyes - True, he has built a competitive side at Everton on limited funds, but in reality, are they really any more than a 'tough side to beat'. The style of football, is at best effective rather than attractive, surely not the Tottenham way. For all that Everton do remain a side nobody takes a result for granted from, they are hardly ever contenders. Would his style of football change with better resources, would he be able to adapt??
Martinez - Again, he picked up some surprising results last season, and does get his team playing flowing football, but ultimately they are perrennial relegation battlers (although he does seem to keep saving them). Now, with better players playing his style, would he be more successful??
Benitez - Granted, Liverpool have not been a the same side since he left, they have failed to command a place in the tiop four of English football for a few seasons now. But, his follow up stint at Inter was hardly gleaming with success, he was not able to repeat the success he previously had at Valencia. Again, not a big fan of his, not sure if he's anything more than a 'safe pair of hands' who would have us ticking aroud the 4-5th spots.
Villas-Boas - I only found out the other day how limited his experience was prior to joining Chelsea. Short stint at Academica where he turned them from relegation candidates to mid table in a very short time, and then a short spell at Porto, where granted, he was very successful. Chelsea, was a poisoned chalice from the off, the Chelsea mafia of Terry and Lampard are believed to run the show from within, plus I fear Abramovich's presence is always looming large for any manager. Not sure he had the chance to mould them into his own team in the short tenure he had. Of the four, he is the leat experienced, but possibly has the most potential, and since levy is runoured to favour a return to D.o.F system, I think this is the choice I'd prefer.
For the record, my own opinion is this. Harry was backed wholeheartedly by the club through his court case, and illness, yet when the England job cropped up, he visibly went missing. This, I feel, in no uncertain terms cost us 3rd place and guarnateed CL football (plus a chance to stick two fingers up to Arsenal). He had us playing great early on, but by the end we looked tired. Was his over reliance on his favoured eleven, and inability to make changes to blame for the fatigue factor. Also, the decision to send so many out on loan leaving us no natural cover for Walker or Lennon/Bale. If he stays, then ok we have some consistency, but personally, I'd make the change now, get some fresh ideas, fresh impetus.
The end of season freefall made my mind up, that was quite simply unacceptable. Some say the players are the ones on the park so blame them, but who picks them. If they are not performing, then make changes. The Villa game sticks in my throat, (partially because I live in the midlands, and know a lot of Villa fans), chasing a win against a mid/lower half of the table team, albeit down to ten men, but Harry takes off van der Vaart for Parker, that was never going to win us the game. Can't call it fresh legs since it was 80+ minutes in and wasn't like for like, defintely wasn't an attacking move. It was tactically poor, and decidedly negative. That was our chance to take third place it was bombed.
Alternatively, some will say Levy has failed to invest, but given the uncertainty around Redknapp's future, his failure to commit once the England job was on the horizon, hardly surpising Levy wasn't going to sanction a big money signing that a potential new manager may not want. Love him or hate him, Levy has run the club responsibly and left us unreliant on a sugar daddy like some, and not ravaged by debt like other clubs, we are a soundly run, self sufficient, stable and successful business.
Finally, Redknapp's statement last night told me more by what he didn't say than what he did. Obviously he denied being about to resign, but, he did not say whether he expected to stay either. Reading between the lines, that was a message to Levy, 'you want me out, fire me and pay me off', he will not make it easy and walk away without a payoff.
Mr Redknapp, I for one, would not advocate trying to play hardball with Levy...
Thankyou for you're efforts in moving us forward to this point, you're work has been appreciated, but the time has come for a change, thankyou and goodbye.
The reality is, if a change is gouing to be made, better now than later, give a full pre-season to whoever is running the team. Plus, with Rodgers already off the market, we need to move quickly to secure whichever targets remain.
So, to the runners and riders... (or at least my take on those I've heard mentioned so far)
Moyes - True, he has built a competitive side at Everton on limited funds, but in reality, are they really any more than a 'tough side to beat'. The style of football, is at best effective rather than attractive, surely not the Tottenham way. For all that Everton do remain a side nobody takes a result for granted from, they are hardly ever contenders. Would his style of football change with better resources, would he be able to adapt??
Martinez - Again, he picked up some surprising results last season, and does get his team playing flowing football, but ultimately they are perrennial relegation battlers (although he does seem to keep saving them). Now, with better players playing his style, would he be more successful??
Benitez - Granted, Liverpool have not been a the same side since he left, they have failed to command a place in the tiop four of English football for a few seasons now. But, his follow up stint at Inter was hardly gleaming with success, he was not able to repeat the success he previously had at Valencia. Again, not a big fan of his, not sure if he's anything more than a 'safe pair of hands' who would have us ticking aroud the 4-5th spots.
Villas-Boas - I only found out the other day how limited his experience was prior to joining Chelsea. Short stint at Academica where he turned them from relegation candidates to mid table in a very short time, and then a short spell at Porto, where granted, he was very successful. Chelsea, was a poisoned chalice from the off, the Chelsea mafia of Terry and Lampard are believed to run the show from within, plus I fear Abramovich's presence is always looming large for any manager. Not sure he had the chance to mould them into his own team in the short tenure he had. Of the four, he is the leat experienced, but possibly has the most potential, and since levy is runoured to favour a return to D.o.F system, I think this is the choice I'd prefer.
For the record, my own opinion is this. Harry was backed wholeheartedly by the club through his court case, and illness, yet when the England job cropped up, he visibly went missing. This, I feel, in no uncertain terms cost us 3rd place and guarnateed CL football (plus a chance to stick two fingers up to Arsenal). He had us playing great early on, but by the end we looked tired. Was his over reliance on his favoured eleven, and inability to make changes to blame for the fatigue factor. Also, the decision to send so many out on loan leaving us no natural cover for Walker or Lennon/Bale. If he stays, then ok we have some consistency, but personally, I'd make the change now, get some fresh ideas, fresh impetus.
The end of season freefall made my mind up, that was quite simply unacceptable. Some say the players are the ones on the park so blame them, but who picks them. If they are not performing, then make changes. The Villa game sticks in my throat, (partially because I live in the midlands, and know a lot of Villa fans), chasing a win against a mid/lower half of the table team, albeit down to ten men, but Harry takes off van der Vaart for Parker, that was never going to win us the game. Can't call it fresh legs since it was 80+ minutes in and wasn't like for like, defintely wasn't an attacking move. It was tactically poor, and decidedly negative. That was our chance to take third place it was bombed.
Alternatively, some will say Levy has failed to invest, but given the uncertainty around Redknapp's future, his failure to commit once the England job was on the horizon, hardly surpising Levy wasn't going to sanction a big money signing that a potential new manager may not want. Love him or hate him, Levy has run the club responsibly and left us unreliant on a sugar daddy like some, and not ravaged by debt like other clubs, we are a soundly run, self sufficient, stable and successful business.
Finally, Redknapp's statement last night told me more by what he didn't say than what he did. Obviously he denied being about to resign, but, he did not say whether he expected to stay either. Reading between the lines, that was a message to Levy, 'you want me out, fire me and pay me off', he will not make it easy and walk away without a payoff.
Mr Redknapp, I for one, would not advocate trying to play hardball with Levy...
Thankyou for you're efforts in moving us forward to this point, you're work has been appreciated, but the time has come for a change, thankyou and goodbye.
Harry_Snatch
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Never thought this was real but now there is some real noise being made. I still can't get it out of my head the way HR was on the BBC show, it was like he knew then.
Harry_Snatch
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Never thought this was real but now there is some real noise being made. I still can't get it out of my head the way HR was on the BBC show, it was like he knew then.
For what it's worth the club looked at AVB then chelscum took him. I would bet he is still very high up on the list. Not sure he would accept a DOF though. He is in the same mould of modern manager as Jose and Rodgers.
For what it's worth the club looked at AVB then chelscum took him. I would bet he is still very high up on the list. Not sure he would accept a DOF though. He is in the same mould of modern manager as Jose and Rodgers.
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I thought he said he wasn't going to quit - that's not the same as saying he's staying.
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I agree 99% with all of this.
For a club that supported Redknapp so vigourously through the court case, it's safe to say we were betrayed by Harry "looking at the menu without ordering" when the England job came up.
The bit I disagree with is the loaning out of players. He had little choice.... and that's because Levy & Co decided to abandon the Reserve squad a number of years ago. That left Harry with players sitting around getting no game time.
Also agree that Harry looked and sounded like he knew his time was up when he was covering the game for BBC the other night.
He also set his stall out to upset Levy with his interview on SSN last week regarding his contract position
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Harry was in the position to sign a new contract earlier this year but didn't, as he was waiting for the England thing to resolve itself. Now he hasn't got the England job, we wants a (long) contract. Levy isn't going to offer a long contract, simples! We are reaching the 'end game' and que sera sera. The silence in deafening!
brasil_spur
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What i'd really like to know from all the strong pro-Harry fans on here is:
Do you think that Harry is the best manager we could have at the club and do you think that by replacing him with someone else that the person who comes in couldn't achieve more with us based on the current players we have?
Do you think that Harry is the best manager we could have at the club and do you think that by replacing him with someone else that the person who comes in couldn't achieve more with us based on the current players we have?
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I don't understand the pure joy some are showing at his possible departure, especially given the unknown replacement. It would appear that most better options are not available unless AVB is still considered a possibility. Think he will do better at a club without massive egos. It would however still be a gamble.
More generally I don't think this whole situation paints us in a very good light, Arry isn't perfect but he still is our most successful manager of the Premier league era and has not really done anything to warrant sacking. Particuarly after equaling our best PL finish again last year. The players seem to like him (well the first team squad at least!) I do worry what impact this will have on players such as VDV, Bale, Kaboul, BAE etc who have all at some point alluded to how much they enjoy playing for Arry and how important he is.
More generally I don't think this whole situation paints us in a very good light, Arry isn't perfect but he still is our most successful manager of the Premier league era and has not really done anything to warrant sacking. Particuarly after equaling our best PL finish again last year. The players seem to like him (well the first team squad at least!) I do worry what impact this will have on players such as VDV, Bale, Kaboul, BAE etc who have all at some point alluded to how much they enjoy playing for Arry and how important he is.
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So was Harry....to our, and ultimately his detriment now.
think you're going to be disappointed...
Blockbuster
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Yes Harry is the best we can get and the best in the EPL. Who has a better record right now managing in the EPL?
any new manager is a risk, but unless it's a big name i simply cant see our key players wanting to stay.
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Without trolling through 48 pages of this thread, can someone give some reasons on why Harry and Daniel Levy don't see eye to eye?
Generally DL has been pretty good on signing the players Harry wants and letting him run the team how he wants. And as a result, we has just had one of the best seasons in EPL history for the club.
Generally DL has been pretty good on signing the players Harry wants and letting him run the team how he wants. And as a result, we has just had one of the best seasons in EPL history for the club.
