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Homegrown - What's the low down?

chrissivad

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Its different for Europa as well isn't it, you have to have a certain number of club trained rather than just nation trained players.


this is true

The rules for Europa:
in accordance with the present regulations.

Conditions for registration: List A
18.08 No club may have more than 25 players on List A during the season, two of
whom must be goalkeepers. As a minimum, eight places are reserved
exclusively for “locally trained players” and no club may have more than four
“association-trained players” listed on these eight places on List A. List A must
specify the players who qualify as being “locally trained”, as well as whether
they are “club-trained” or “association-trained”. The possible combinations that
enable clubs to comply with the List A requirements are set out in Annex VIII.

18.09 A “locally trained player” is either a “club-trained player” or an “associationtrained
player”.

18.10 A “club-trained player” is a player who, between the age of 15 (or the start of
the season during which he turns 15) and 21 (or the end of the season during
which he turns 21), and irrespective of his nationality and age, has been
registered with his current club for a period, continuous or not, of three entire
seasons (i.e. a period starting with the first official match of the relevant
national championship and ending with the last official match of that relevant
national championship) or of 36 months.

18.11 An “association-trained player” is a player who, between the age of 15 (or the
start of the season during which the player turns 15) and 21 (or the end of the
season during which the player turns 21), and irrespective of his nationality
and age, has been registered with a club or with other clubs affiliated to the
same association as that of his current club for a period, continuous or not, of
three entire seasons or of 36 months.

18.12 If a club has fewer than eight locally trained players in its squad, then the
maximum number of players on List A is reduced accordingly.
18.13 List A has to be submitted by the following fixed deadlines:
a) 25 June 2012 (24.00 CET) for all matches in the first qualifying round;
b) 12 July 2012 (24.00 CET) for all matches in the second qualifying round;
c) 26 July 2012 (24.00 CET) for all matches in the third qualifying round;
d) 13 August 2012 (24.00 CET) for all matches in the play-offs;
e) 3 September 2012 (24.00 CET) for all further matches from the first match
in the group stage up to and including the final.

18.14 For the three qualifying rounds and the play-offs, a club may register a
maximum of one new eligible player on List A after the above-mentioned
deadlines, provided the quota of locally trained players is respected. Such
registration must be completed by 24.00 CET on the day before the relevant
first-leg match and the club’s association must confirm in writing that the new
player is eligible to play at domestic level at this time.

18.15 If the registration of such a new player causes the number of players on List A
to exceed 25, the club must remove a currently registered player to reduce the
squad to 25 players again.

Conditions for registration: List B
18.16 Each club is entitled to register an unlimited number of players on List B
during the season. The list must be submitted by no later than 24.00 CET on
the day before the match in question.

18.17 A player may be registered on List B if he is born on or after 1 January 1991
and has been eligible to play for the club concerned for any uninterrupted
period of two years since his 15th birthday by the time he is registered with
UEFA. Players aged 16 may be registered on List B if they have been
registered with the participating club for the previous two years without
interruption.
 

WiganSpur

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Out of that lot I reckon
Friedel
Walker, Smith, Caulker, Dawson, Rose
Sigurdsson, Townsend, Bale

Possibly Lennon & or Defoe

We could include a kid like Carroll, Mason or Hall I suppose but would that be enough HG players? Maybe it's why we're after McManaman, Ince and Shaw?
 

chrissivad

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Club-Trained Player:

Rose
Lennon (I think he just makes Club)
Bale (Same as Lennon)
Caulker
Townsend
Livermore
Smith
Mason
Obika
Hall

Im not sure about the ones that went out on loan in the above list.


Association-Trained Player:
Hudd
Parker
Walker
Naughton
Defoe
Dawson
Sigy
 

stov

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i am not sure about hall i think we signed him from brighton in 2012- to be club trained you have to be at same club for three years?
 

chrissivad

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i am not sure about hall i think we signed him from brighton in 2012- to be club trained you have to be at same club for three years?

Then he goes into the bottom list. Just found too much different information on him like his d.o.b
 

Spursidol

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Club-Trained Player:

Rose
Lennon (I think he just makes Club)
Bale (Same as Lennon)
Caulker
Townsend
Livermore
Smith
Mason
Obika
Hall

Im not sure about the ones that went out on loan in the above list.


Association-Trained Player:
Hudd
Parker
Walker
Naughton
Defoe
Dawson
Sigy

Agreed, other than Hall who would be an Association Trained Player but not a Club Trained Player

My guess, however would be that Livermore will be sold this TW and Smith out on a PL loan, not sure about Mason or Obika, so the most likelty to be in our squad are Bale, Lennon, Rose, Caulker and Townsend - five players and we need a minimum four.

Even if we sell Huddlestone, Parker, Naughton, Defoe and even Dawson (but I cannot see us selling all five of them - its probably not feasible to sell them all in one TW) that still leaves us with Walker and Siggy as other Association Trained.

So our worst case is that we have 7 homesgrown players ion the squad, so would have a maximum of 24 in the squad (and as Beats said most clubs do not have 25 in their squad - in fact none of the top 5 clubs had more than about 22 in the squad). And its likely that we will have one or two more than that so could field a full 25 man squad if we wished.

So, going back to OP there is no need for Spurs to buy any association trained players this TW to make up the numbers.

Its also likely we will bring through one or two club trained players each year for the next few years, so it will nlot be an issues for Spurs in the future.
 

sim0n

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okay, so on the second list will be the likes of Pritchard, Coulibaly, Fryers, Kane, Carroll (has 3 years, but s still under 22), Archer, and Hall. basically, they are not considered "club trained" yet because they have not been around for 3 seasons/36 months, but are currently considerd "locally trained"/"association trained" at this point until they hit the 3 year mark and age 22, right? (BTW - that's a nice list of young players in the system with a lot of upside (y))

I am surprised Spurs still have Obika, Lancaster, and Dawkins still on their books - but the summer is young. I think they will be on their way, as will Falque, very soon as none of them seem to fit Spurs now. I do not see any of those players getting a game here...

EDIT: I just saw that Dawkins' contract runs out in 2 weeks and looks like Obika has 1 year left on his :watching:

looks like there is more incentive to buying more 17-18 yo players now... hoping to see Pritchard and Coulibaly in some EUROPA/league cup/FA cup games this season :blackalien:
 

tiger666

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Yeah yeah thread necro. Sue me.

What are we at for non-homegrowns at the moment?

I make it:

Lloris
Vorm
Gazzaniga
Vertonghen
Alderweireld
Sanchez
Dier
Aurier
Llorente
Dembele
Sissoko
Lamela
Wanyama
Eriksen
Son

On loan:
N'Koudou
Janssen

So 15 out of a limit of 17 non-homegrown. That sound right?
 

mpickard2087

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Yeah yeah thread necro. Sue me.

What are we at for non-homegrowns at the moment?

I make it:

Lloris
Vorm
Gazzaniga
Vertonghen
Alderweireld
Sanchez
Dier
Aurier
Llorente
Dembele
Sissoko
Lamela
Wanyama
Eriksen
Son

On loan:
N'Koudou
Janssen

So 15 out of a limit of 17 non-homegrown. That sound right?

Depends. For European competition add Foyth and Davies, they don't count as U21 or homegrown. Nkoudou leaving means Lamela can be re-registered, but we're still at the limit.
 

tiger666

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Depends. For European competition add Foyth and Davies, they don't count as U21 or homegrown. Nkoudou leaving means Lamela can be re-registered, but we're still at the limit.

Yeah fair shout, I was forgetting the different rules for Europe.
 

LexingtonSpurs

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They really need to adjust the rules imo. I get the value in having protected spots for homegrown players - but when a player like Dier, who is an England player, counts as a non-HG simply because he moved as a child and came through Sporting, then the system is not doing its job. Rule should be amended to include players with National Team caps.
 

tiger666

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We really should think about using English homegrown players as 2nd and 3rd choice keepers. Makes no sense using up two slots for players that never feature.
 

LexingtonSpurs

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We really should think about using English homegrown players as 2nd and 3rd choice keepers. Makes no sense using up two slots for players that never feature.
Flip-side is finding viable 2nd and 3rd choice keepers who are also home grown is difficult and expensive.
 

Lilbaz

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They really need to adjust the rules imo. I get the value in having protected spots for homegrown players - but when a player like Dier, who is an England player, counts as a non-HG simply because he moved as a child and came through Sporting, then the system is not doing its job. Rule should be amended to include players with National Team caps.

Disagree. The rules were put in place to encourage teams to invest in youth no matter the country they were born.

The davies situation is fucked though.
 

LexingtonSpurs

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Disagree. The rules were put in place to encourage teams to invest in youth no matter the country they were born.

The davies situation is fucked though.
No - from the European competition perspective - 4 slots are reserved for players coming from the team's academy, and 4 additional slots are reserved for players coming through any academy in the FA.

The FA has a vested interest in developing players for the national teams. A player like Dier has been developed by the FA via various England youth squads, despite the fact that he grew up in Portugal. Dier should not be eligible for the 4 club-trained spots, but he should be eligible for the FA -trained spot - even more so than Davies, who is eligible for the Wales FA.
 

topper

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Our current homegrown players as of right now are


1. Bale
2. Caulker
3. Dawkins
4. Dawson
5. Defoe
6. Hall
7. Huddlestone
8. Lennon
9. Livermore
10. Mason
11. Naughton
12. Obika
13. Parker
14. Rose
15. Sigurdsson
16. Smith
17. Townsend
18. Walker
Just opened this thread as I assumed it was a new one and then came across this listing thinking I must have a missed a shed load of ITK about our new policy of signing ex players and why isn’t Kane, Dele etc. Rated as home grown?!!
 
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