Is football getting a bit rubbish now?

[Maske2g]

I can appreciate that view. For me he would have to be a bit more of a flash bastard though. He is great and does fantastic things, but he should really showboat. I wouldn't object to him signing for Tottenham if he really wants to convince me.

After his scooped lob against Almunia last year, and his mini scoop over Almunia this year, Messi said this....

"I always respect the opposition, so I only like to be flash when playing against absolute scum"

I just like him more.

 

[Viva la Tottenham]

This guy was not to bad tbh

Gerhard Muller since you asked about goals etc but his record is hmm...

Played - 1216
Scored - 1461

wiki doesn't have his goals total close to that ammount, it's over 600 counting internationals and I know wiki aint always the most accurate but that is like 800 goals of a difference lol

 

[Maske2g]

wiki doesn't have his goals total close to that ammount, it's over 600 counting internationals and I know wiki aint always the most accurate but that is like 800 goals of a difference lol

Wiki is horrific at football stats., it's all about ESPN.

 

[Viva la Tottenham]

http://www.talkfootball.co.uk/guides/football_legends_gerd_muller.html

http://www.rsssf.com/players/prolific.html


these two don't have him close to 1400 goals either, still unbelievable numbers but 1400 goals in 1200 apps is just insane

 

[Casparian]

wiki doesn't have his goals total close to that ammount, it's over 600 counting internationals and I know wiki aint always the most accurate but that is like 800 goals of a difference lol

You do realise the goals your most likely talking about are those on the right and only represent what he done as a 1st team player.The rest are collaborated from various other avenues like his goals as a youth player etc fact is he is one of only six players to break the 1000 goal barrier suppose Pele and Romario aint done it either huh? (its rhetorical dont answer) all in the small print bud...

* Senior club appearances and goals counted for the domestic league only.
† Appearances (Goals).

Goals scored in friendlies dont appear to be jotted down either by friendlies i mean club ones uncertain of country one since they used to actually mean something.But alas as we see in todays era thats no longer the case more to pity.

Edit:meant to add I know wiki aint gospel but for it to be well known of Peles 1000 goals someone somewhere obviously put in the effort to accumulate the stats produced.As you quite rightly pointed out would have to be some feat for someone to miscalculate on x amount of goals being scored,so I am quite happy to believe after x amount of time and effort being put into gathering said stats there true.Besides Muller is 2nd to a guy called Bican who had it seems an amazing career over 24 years yeah i know he played longer than Messi being alive.

 

[Viva la Tottenham]

You do realise the goals your most likely talking about are those on the right and only represent what he done as a 1st team player.The rest are collaborated from various other avenues like his goals as a youth player etc fact is he is one of only six players to break the 1000 goal barrier suppose Pele and Romario aint done it either huh? (its rhetorical dont answer) all in the small print bud...

* Senior club appearances and goals counted for the domestic league only.
† Appearances (Goals).

Goals scored in friendlies dont appear to be jotted down either by friendlies i mean club ones uncertain of country one since they used to actually mean something.But alas as we see in todays era thats no longer the case more to pity.

No need to be a smart arse, but alas in todays era that's what most people resort to being on the internet more to pity.

I was just wondering were you got the stats from bud...

 

[spursphil]

There is a lovely 25 VOL series of Maradona dribbling skill videos on You Tube.

It is literally 25 videos of Maradona being greedy and getting fouled...... It was actually frustrating to watch.

Again, make your own judgements, rather than using the myths of Argies and Gomorra.

I would like to have seen the tactics applied to Ronaldo......as he followed up immediately by planting 25 yard free kicks into the top corner. (Check out his brace of free kicks against Villereal 7-odd weeks ago.)

And there are countless video's of Ronaldo Diving, he on the deck with the slightest touch or if one of his step overs don't work. Now nothing is more frustrating to see a talented player constantly cheat.

http://youtu.be/Ixxt3nVORVs

Messi to his credit, dosn't dive, he is more of a team player he is a pro's pro and is respected by players and fans alike.

Ronaldo would not have lasted 5 minutes in Italy in the 80's, thats not myth its a fact. You will dismiss it because you bought this hyped up version that is modern football.

Nothing is more hyped than the champions league, a format where the biggest seeded teams get a hand picked group of minnows for the group stage.
The old European cup was far better only champions played in it. The old uefa cup was a fantastic competition, on par with today's CL exept for the champions.
The hyped up champions league has diluted the importance of the uefa cup and our own domestic cup competitions, once the lifeblood for us fans.
We used to laugh at Scottish football being dominated by two teams, but today its the same across europe but with the added sugar daddy clubs.

I look back with great fondness to the time when Brian Clough could get a team from the old 2nd division turn them into 1st division champions then European champions, sadly feats like that will not happen again.

Ronaldo has played for two of the biggest clubs in the world in the past 4 years United and Real Madrid money is no object for either club. To even come close to what Maradona achieved at Napoli he would have to move to Stoke City and turn them into double Premier league Winners!

 

[Casparian]

No need to be a smart arse, but alas in todays era that's what most people resort to being on the internet more to pity.

I was just wondering were you got the stats from bud...

No probs was not an attempt at being smart arse,as you may know from what posts I have made in the past.Anyway all is good I just felt perhaps same as yourself once id replied and clarified etc that be it hence no need reply since id have answered what was asked. did mean to give this link yup is Wiki lol but forgot so here it is along with clarification.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_top_association_football_goal_scorers

 

[Viva la Tottenham]

No probs was not an attempt at being smart arse,as you may know from what posts I have made in the past.Anyway all is good I just felt perhaps same as yourself once id replied and clarified etc that be it hence no need reply since id have answered what was asked. did mean to give this link yup is Wiki lol but forgot so here it is along with clarification.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_top_association_football_goal_scorers:-)

cheers I may just be a touchy bastard this morning lol

 

[Maske2g]

And there are countless video's of Ronaldo Diving, he on the deck with the slightest touch or if one of his step overs don't work. Now nothing is more frustrating to see a talented player constantly cheat.

http://youtu.be/Ixxt3nVORVs

Messi to his credit, dosn't dive, he is more of a team player he is a pro's pro and is respected by players and fans alike.

Ronaldo would not have lasted 5 minutes in Italy in the 80's, thats not myth its a fact. You will dismiss it because you bought this hyped up version that is modern football.

Nothing is more hyped than the champions league, a format where the biggest seeded teams get a hand picked group of minnows for the group stage.
The old European cup was far better only champions played in it. The old uefa cup was a fantastic competition, on par with today's CL exept for the champions.
The hyped up champions league has diluted the importance of the uefa cup and our own domestic cup competitions, once the lifeblood for us fans.
We used to laugh at Scottish football being dominated by two teams, but today its the same across europe but with the added sugar daddy clubs.

I look back with great fondness to the time when Brian Clough could get a team from the old 2nd division turn them into 1st division champions then European champions, sadly feats like that will not happen again.

Ronaldo has played for two of the biggest clubs in the world in the past 4 years United and Real Madrid money is no object for either club. To even come close to what Maradona achieved at Napoli he would have to move to Stoke City and turn them into double Premier league Winners!

Answer 3 questions. (Sorry, not a demand....)

Why does someone cheating and diving make them a fairy? Ronaldo has exhibited countless times the abolity to give the finger to people that try to kick him out of games, by just taking the piss out of them and winning.

Take all the foreigners out of English football, and you would get early 70's english football again? Would you want that? I like to see many of the best players in the world, playing in the best league in the world in my country .

Why do you continually argue this myth about 80's Italian Centre halves being gentically mutated super defenders? Please differentiate, as we have already countless times in this thread, that while there sure were some truely great defenders, the tactics in that league were negative, paceless, cagey and dull, rather than the league being run by 32 near inpenetrable centre backs.

I doubt very much that you or anyone on this site watched any league football in Italy in the 80's, without living there, but what cannot lie, is the pathetic amount of goals scored in that league in this period. As already shown, once more, by Napoli winning a league when scoring a paltry 41 goals. So did maradona win them the league? Or their watertight defence?

(Potentially more than 3 questions....)

 

[bigturnip]

There is a lovely 25 VOL series of Maradona dribbling skill videos on You Tube.

It is literally 25 videos of Maradona being greedy and getting fouled...... It was actually frustrating to watch.

Again, make your own judgements, rather than using the myths of Argies and Gomorra.

I would like to have seen the tactics applied to Ronaldo......as he followed up immediately by planting 25 yard free kicks into the top corner. (Check out his brace of free kicks against Villereal 7-odd weeks ago.)

Those of us old enough to remember watching him play don't need to rely on myths or youtube videos, he was simply the best player to ever grace a football pitch, and yes I would put him above Pele, as do most of the public who voted him player of the century.

Maradona has done two things that Messi and Ronaldo II never have. Firstly he went to an average provincial team, probably the equivalent of Newcastle in today's Premier League and won them two League titles and a major European trophy, something they never did previously and haven't done since. He didn't have the luxury of playing in a team with 10 other top class players week in, week out. Secondly he owned the 1986 World Cup, to be considered truly World Class you have to show that class on the World stage, something the likes of Ronaldo II and Messi have yet to do. Moore, Pele, Beckenbauer, Maradona and Ronaldo (the real one) all dominated and won in their respective World Cups, that is why they are truly world class.

I'm not saying Messi or even Ronaldo II can't make the grade, but they haven't made it yet.

 

[spursphil]

Answer 3 questions. (Sorry, not a demand....)

Why does someone cheating and diving make them a fairy? Ronaldo has exhibited countless times the abolity to give the finger to people that try to kick him out of games, by just taking the piss out of them and winning.

Take all the foreigners out of English football, and you would get early 70's english football again? Would you want that? I like to see many of the best players in the world, playing in the best league in the world in my country .

Why do you continually argue this myth about 80's Italian Centre halves being gentically mutated super defenders? Please differentiate, as we have already countless times in this thread, that while there sure were some truely great defenders, the tactics in that league were negative, paceless, cagey and dull, rather than the league being run by 32 near inpenetrable centre backs.

I doubt very much that you or anyone on this site watched any league football in Italy in the 80's, without living there, but what cannot lie, is the pathetic amount of goals scored in that league in this period. As already shown, once more, by Napoli winning a league when scoring a paltry 41 goals. So did maradona win them the league? Or their watertight defence?

(Potentially more than 3 questions....)

I'm more than happy to answer your questions. Todays game is nigh on a non contact sport yet Ronaldo persists in throwing tantrums and himself on the floor with every opportunity. He loves to get players sent off and booked. There is no need for such antics, Messi is twice the player and is honest in his approach to the game.

Ronaldo's goalscoring record in Spain is fantastic 66 league goals in 63 games! It does suggest to me that its far easier to score in Spain against a lower standard of opposition.

Ronaldo's best season for goals in England was in 2007/08 with 31 league goals, united were champions that season.

Now the last Englishman to top the premier league goalscoring charts was Kevin Philips with 30 goals in 99/2000. Sunderland finished 7th. Which was the greater achievent in your opinion?

In fact Kevin Philips goalscoring record record of 225 league goals in 500 league appearances stands up very well against Ronaldo's 153 in 284 league games. Yet Philips played for minnows compared to United and Real Madrid, but you cite Ronaldo's goalscoring record as one of the reasons why he is better than Maradona.

Yes i would like to see less foreigners in the English game, we were told they would improve our own players but nothing could be futher than the truth, Internationally we seem to be going backwards. Watching us struggle to put 5 passes together is painfull.

If you look a the list of European cup winners in the 80's its plain to see a more open and varied spread of teams, its clear it was more competitive.

1980 Nottingham Forest
81 Liverpool
82 Aston Villa
83 Hamburg
84 Liverpool
85 Juventus
86 Steaua Bucurest
87 Porto
88 Psv Eindhoven
89 Milan

In the 80's like i have said many times Serie A was the toughest league in the world to score goals. Its defenders were amoungst the best that have ever played the game, compared to the defenders that Ronaldo faces they were super defenders, you just can't get your head round that fact. Defending is part of the game, the Italians likened it to a chess match. Yet Maradona still shined, he played a major part in Napoli winning 2 league titles and a Uefa cup in 3 years, as well as watertight defending. Is it a coincidense that Napoli hadn't won these trophies before Maradona came, or that they havent won a thing since he left?

Ronaldo and Messi are currently the two best players in the world in many peoples eyes, personally i love watching Messi and Barca play.
There are many aspects of todays game that is an improvement on yesteryear, better pitches, stadiums tv coverage etc. But todays game is far less competitive in my view, in the 70's and 80's the average age of the football fan was 19 or 20, whats the average age of fans going to the lane today 45?

 

[stemark44]

Guys let's be honest here,if we try and educate someone on the merits of players from past years against decent players from the present and he still can't get the fucking message,it's a pretty simple answer................he is an arsehole who knows fuck all about football!

I am 52 years of age and I have been extremely lucky to have seen the BEST footballers this planet has ever seen and I can say this without doubt........C.Ronaldo ain't one of them and nor will he ever be!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[TheBigMatch]

Yeah it's pretty shidt when their not actually kicking ball 

 

[RichSpur58]

Football lost its soul years ago.

 

[RichSpur58]

I'm more than happy to answer your questions. Todays game is nigh on a non contact sport yet Ronaldo persists in throwing tantrums and himself on the floor with every opportunity. He loves to get players sent off and booked. There is no need for such antics, Messi is twice the player and is honest in his approach to the game.

Ronaldo's goalscoring record in Spain is fantastic 66 league goals in 63 games! It does suggest to me that its far easier to score in Spain against a lower standard of opposition.

Ronaldo's best season for goals in England was in 2007/08 with 31 league goals, united were champions that season.

Now the last Englishman to top the premier league goalscoring charts was Kevin Philips with 30 goals in 99/2000. Sunderland finished 7th. Which was the greater achievent in your opinion?

In fact Kevin Philips goalscoring record record of 225 league goals in 500 league appearances stands up very well against Ronaldo's 153 in 284 league games. Yet Philips played for minnows compared to United and Real Madrid, but you cite Ronaldo's goalscoring record as one of the reasons why he is better than Maradona.

Yes i would like to see less foreigners in the English game, we were told they would improve our own players but nothing could be futher than the truth, Internationally we seem to be going backwards. Watching us struggle to put 5 passes together is painfull.

If you look a the list of European cup winners in the 80's its plain to see a more open and varied spread of teams, its clear it was more competitive.

1980 Nottingham Forest
81 Liverpool
82 Aston Villa
83 Hamburg
84 Liverpool
85 Juventus
86 Steaua Bucurest
87 Porto
88 Psv Eindhoven
89 Milan

In the 80's like i have said many times Serie A was the toughest league in the world to score goals. Its defenders were amoungst the best that have ever played the game, compared to the defenders that Ronaldo faces they were super defenders, you just can't get your head round that fact. Defending is part of the game, the Italians likened it to a chess match. Yet Maradona still shined, he played a major part in Napoli winning 2 league titles and a Uefa cup in 3 years, as well as watertight defending. Is it a coincidense that Napoli hadn't won these trophies before Maradona came, or that they havent won a thing since he left?

Ronaldo and Messi are currently the two best players in the world in many peoples eyes, personally i love watching Messi and Barca play.
There are many aspects of todays game that is an improvement on yesteryear, better pitches, stadiums tv coverage etc. But todays game is far less competitive in my view, in the 70's and 80's the average age of the football fan was 19 or 20, whats the average age of fans going to the lane today 45?

Put Van Basten in that Barca team, how many would he score?

I would probably get 15 a season playing for Barca. I agree, Spanish football is easy to score in. The mid and lower teams are of poor quality.

 

[OmarsComing]

The old people in this thread are making my head hurt.

 

[StartingPrice]

The old people in this thread are making my head hurt.

Everyone in this thread is making my head hurt:roll:

 

[SNAFU_Clarke]

to paraphrase blur, modern football is rubbish. it has been for years. the game is on a downward spiral to oblivion. it might take a while to completely alienate every fan but that's the inevitable endgame. there are too many pricks running the show for it to be any different. football is the goose that laid the golden egg.

 

[Ribble]

to paraphrase blur, modern football is rubbish. it has been for years. the game is on a downward spiral to oblivion. it might take a while to completely alienate every fan but that's the inevitable endgame. there are too many pricks running the show for it to be any different. football is the goose that laid the golden egg.

Over here perhaps, but its only just starting to take off in the US. With a system built around maintaining equality and the biggest melting pot of cultures possible football itself will be fine.