Is Levy getting blamed for Lewis mistakes?

[mkkid]

before the stadium started to really hit our spending we wasn't the lowest of spenders. in fact we were 3rd highest spenders, but hey ho Levy doesn't spend

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Or you could look at the total net spending figures since ,ENIC took over .Its 9 million pounds.But Hey ho.

 

[joelstinton14]

Or you could look at the total net spending figures since ,ENIC took over .Its 9 million pounds.But Hey ho.

Sorry for the language, but Net spend is bullshit. It is one thing that pisses me off about modern football. All it says is that you are spending more than you are getting in. It doesn't prove anything. We haven't had to spend much extra money because of for better or worse we have sold players like Carrick, Berbatov, Modric, Bale etc etc for large sums which went straight back into the team. We don't have to spend extra just because we got the money there. And the money that hasn't been spent as gone back in to re-investing in the club, New Training ground, New Stadium, Player lodges, Lily-white house it hasn't simply 'disappeared'.

Last summer was frustrating. Everyone can agree on that. But it is an anomaly. A one off. We been on nothing but an upwards trajectory under Enic, and that is continuing this season.

We're going to be in a much better position than many other clubs in the next 10-20 years because of that.

 

[vegassd]

Yep, your delusional.Enic care more about the property around WHL that the clubs supporters or winning a trophy.
Finally more fans are beginning to see the light.

Why am I delusional? If you can pick the holes in what I'm saying with some reasoning and ideally some factual evidence that would be cool and we could maybe have a decent chat about the club we both love. I'm very happy for you to disagree with my opinion, but if you're just going to call me delusional and run away that's pretty boring.

I was fully expecting there to be a meltdown in at least one thread on here because we lost a game, but I wasn't expecting a 2 week old post to get called delusional. Have I done something to upset you? If that's the case I genuinely apologise mate.

 

[Wsussexspur]

Sorry for the language, but Net spend is bullshit. It is one thing that pisses me off about modern football. All it says is that you are spending more than you are getting in. It doesn't prove anything. We haven't had to spend much extra money because of for better or worse we have sold players like Carrick, Berbatov, Modric, Bale etc etc for large sums which went straight back into the team. We don't have to spend extra just because we got the money there. And the money that hasn't been spent as gone back in to re-investing in the club, New Training ground, New Stadium, Player lodges, Lily-white house it hasn't simply 'disappeared'.

Last summer was frustrating. Everyone can agree on that. But it is an anomaly. A one off. We been on nothing but an upwards trajectory under Enic, and that is continuing this season.

We're going to be in a much better position than many other clubs in the next 10-20 years because of that.

No doubt the ENIC have done a great job with the infrastructure of the club i don’t think anyone can disagree with that.

However on the actual football side as I said yesterday in a thread I think the success we have had on the pitch under ENIC is inspite of them not because of them.

 

[JCRD]

I am curious as to where we go from here though - i hear a lot of faff about infrastructure etc which is and has been vital to us as a club and our growth but now what?

This is why i think we have gone stale, its the football strategy and vision I dont really get. For example look at Liverpool (I fuckin hate them) but their strategy and vision was to win the PL and this season they have given it a good go.

What is ours? just top four finishes? I dont really care too much of the trophies although would be great to win one or two... is our objective to win the PL?

 

[mkkid]

The money goes back into the project, that will lead to final end goal to sell the club . it’s always been about the property not the team.Finaly fans are beginning to see it.
This summer the club reaches a cross roads, Toby will leave and Eriksen will have to be sold, Lloris and verts are in their 30s, with rose not far behind that’s a major rebuild of the team.
As for being better off in the next 10-20 years, I think your kidding yourself.

 

[mkkid]

No doubt the ENIC have done a great job with the infrastructure of the club i don’t think anyone can disagree with that.

However on the actual football side as I said yesterday in a thread I think the success we have had on the pitch under ENIC is inspite of them not because of them.

What success?

 

[spursfan77]

Don’t be silly, we all want Spurs to win, we hurt when we lose, we would love to win all competitions spending no money but football doesn’t work like that. There are inevitable consequences to actions. So when you fail to strengthen a squad that is already fatigued by WC duty, is carrying its 2 most important CMs with long term injuries and has the only credible back up to your main striker scheduled to play in 2 international tournaments don’t be surprised when you pick up injuries. It isn’t bad luck it is utterly predictable and stupendously bad planning and management.

I agree with that 100%. I don't think Levy is on his own though in the blame stakes. I think the manager and scouting set up need to have a word with themselves. Ultimately out is down to the chairman though. If he thinks the manager needs players and the manager doesn't then they need a full discussion on it, which they must of had one would assume.

 

[spursfan77]

Sorry to disappoint but once the stadium is complete the only thing on Levy’s agenda is an NFL franchise and a sale of the club.

See this is where I know you are wrong. I've posted this before and things might have changed, but 2 years ago a friend of mine sat in a meeting with Levy and with Joe Lewis's daughter. The consensus was that they were looking at extra investment into the club alongside their ownership and they had no intention of selling (at that time). It was literally from the horses mouth and couldn't be clearer.

 

[am_yisrael_chai]

I agree with that 100%. I don't think Levy is on his own though in the blame stakes. I think the manager and scouting set up need to have a word with themselves. Ultimately out is down to the chairman though. If he thinks the manager needs players and the manager doesn't then they need a full discussion on it, which they must of had one would assume.

As you say the buck stops with Levy. Hard to know how much blame rests with others without knowing what budget Levy has set. If he has set a zero net spend then quite understandable that Poch doesn’t want to buy more bargain basement garbage.

 

[Wsussexspur]

What success?

Well I guess it’s how you define success.. I just mean in terms of becoming a regular top 4 team. Obviously not in terms of trophies.

 

[hellava_tough]

The money goes back into the project, that will lead to final end goal to sell the club . it’s always been about the property not the team.Finaly fans are beginning to see it.
This summer the club reaches a cross roads, Toby will leave and Eriksen will have to be sold, Lloris and verts are in their 30s, with rose not far behind that’s a major rebuild of the team.
As for being better off in the next 10-20 years, I think your kidding yourself.

On this point you're right and it does seem like a big old rebuild is on its way. We really missed a trick last summer, not getting the job started then.

However, all the ITK is pointing to Poch being a part of the recruitment problem. The ITKs are stating that (i) he's happy with his squad and (ii) is not willing to modify any of his transfer targets.

Now Levy also has to take some responsibility in this - he's the chairman after all - but the situation seems a little more complicated than meets the eye.

 

[hellava_tough]

As you say the buck stops with Levy. Hard to know how much blame rests with others without knowing what budget Levy has set. If he has set a zero net spend then quite understandable that Poch doesn’t want to buy more bargain basement garbage.

See my post above

Who knows who to believe?

 

[am_yisrael_chai]

See this is where I know you are wrong. I've posted this before and things might have changed, but 2 years ago a friend of mine sat in a meeting with Levy and with Joe Lewis's daughter. The consensus was that they were looking at extra investment into the club alongside their ownership and they had no intention of selling (at that time). It was literally from the horses mouth and couldn't be clearer.

That’s interesting but something must have changed because I can categorically tell you that last summer the club was up for sale, I know that from some of the advisers working on the deal and from one of the potential purchasers.

 

[Lighty64]

Or you could look at the total net spending figures since ,ENIC took over .Its 9 million pounds.But Hey ho.

oh so even the money spent on everything else since then that will take us forward even if with new owners doesn't count then.

look in your phone book and give Irving Scholar, or Alan Sugar a ring, and see if they can buy us back, because we where in such good hands with them. if you think we would of been better off without ENIC feel free I'm sure you would of been happy to see our best players sold year in year out

edit: still not winning cups or being in the Europa League even

 

[mkkid]

oh so even the money spent on everything else since then that will take us forward even if with new owners doesn't count then.

look in your phone book and give Irving Scholar, or Alan Sugar a ring, and see if they can buy us back, because we where in such good hands with them. if you think we would of been better off without ENIC feel free I'm sure you would of been happy to see our best players sold year in year out

edit: still not winning cups or being in the Europa League even

Yawn it’s no longer the 1990s, keep sticking your head the sand, come the summer, we will see.Tick Tock..

 

[For the love of Spurs]

That’s interesting but something must have changed because I can categorically tell you that last summer the club was up for sale, I know that from some of the advisers working on the deal and from one of the potential purchasers.

I know you probably can’t say but would the potential purchaser have been good for the club?

Basically are the potential purchasers any good for us and are the deals even realistic. It might be that if you want ENIC out then maybe this is a good thing?

 

[am_yisrael_chai]

I know you probably can’t say but would the potential purchaser have been good for the club?

Basically are the potential purchasers any good for us and are the deals even realistic. It might be that if you want ENIC out then maybe this is a good thing?

Very hard to say. Levy is a big Spurs fan, the CEO of the buyer I know is a big Spurs fan. BUT if his firm is paying £1bn+ for the club they have to sweat the asset which generally translates to getting more money out of us. I categorically think they would have done a better job of the stadium. The unknown with any purchaser is do they see maximisation of return by just being in the CL, raising ticket prices and being better at sponsorship, particularly if they have US connections or do they see it more like John Henry that ultimate value is maximised by on field success. Clearly I’d like the latter but you never know what a purchaser might do until they have the keys to the club.

As I’ve said several times before I don’t really see a great outcome either way, whether ENIC stay or go there is going to be pressure to take out a lot of money from the club.

 

[Lighty64]

Yawn it’s no longer the 1990s, keep sticking your head the sand, come the summer, we will see.Tick Tock..

I'm not sticking my head in the sand. I know with the resources we earnt from WHL gave us no hope of competing regular and the need to increase the stadium size. how did you expect us to claim all the land needed, move people in to new premises whether to live or work, and not all the stadium is covered by loans.

if you want to be blind and can't see the improvement from pre ENIC, then you obviously must be blind

 

[vegassd]

...the CEO of the buyer I know is a big Spurs fan. BUT if his firm is paying £1bn+ for the club they have to sweat the asset which generally translates to getting more money out of us.

Would the buying company have had much to gain from football sponsorship in your opinion?

I wonder if any new buyer might think that part of the attraction would be that they would get stadium naming rights and shirt sponsorship "for free" if they owned the club. Maybe one of the perks that might grease the wheels to a sale? And it might even be part of the reason why no naming rights deal has been done as yet, although I think that is likely based on companies not wanting to associate their name with a stadium suffering construction delays.