Is Levy getting blamed for Lewis mistakes?

[am_yisrael_chai]

Would the buying company have had much to gain from football sponsorship in your opinion?

I wonder if any new buyer might think that part of the attraction would be that they would get stadium naming rights and shirt sponsorship "for free" if they owned the club. Maybe one of the perks that might grease the wheels to a sale? And it might even be part of the reason why no naming rights deal has been done as yet, although I think that is likely based on companies not wanting to associate their name with a stadium suffering construction delays.

Not the buyer I know, pure investment, no consumer recognition.

 

[am_yisrael_chai]

I'm not sticking my head in the sand. I know with the resources we earnt from WHL gave us no hope of competing regular and the need to increase the stadium size. how did you expect us to claim all the land needed, move people in to new premises whether to live or work, and not all the stadium is covered by loans.

if you want to be blind and can't see the improvement from pre ENIC, then you obviously must be blind

We can’t say ENIC are great owners because they are better than Alan Sugar because that’s like saying we should be thankful for Theresa May just because she isn’t Nicola Sturgeon. Alan Sugar was a spectacularly bad owner who only bought us to get a seat at the table for the tv deal so he could sell more satellite dishes. In contrast Scholar was the most knowledgeable and passionate Chairman we have ever had, sadly he got the business side wrong but have no doubt he was trying to make Spurs the biggest club in the world. Under him we broke the British transfer record, will that ever happen again ?

Even at WHL we had the 6th highest revenues in the league so that should be our default expectation of league position. We are outperforming since Poch joined. Have ENIC as owners contributed to that ? Well if you look at investment in the playing squad - fees and wages - then the answer is a categoric no. So guess what you end up concluding what we all know anyway, we are outperforming because of Poch, in spite of, not because of ENIC.

So as far as I can see it the only thing we can be grateful for to ENIC is that they hired Poch. Now of course if your owners consistently hire great managers then you could say that is their value add. However when the appointment immediately preceding Poch is Tim Sherwood you have to say that Poch’s appointment was way more luck than judgement.

 

[Lighty64]

We can’t say ENIC are great owners because they are better than Alan Sugar because that’s like saying we should be thankful for Theresa May just because she isn’t Nicola Sturgeon. Alan Sugar was a spectacularly bad owner who only bought us to get a seat at the table for the tv deal so he could sell more satellite dishes. In contrast Scholar was the most knowledgeable and passionate Chairman we have ever had, sadly he got the business side wrong but have no doubt he was trying to make Spurs the biggest club in the world. Under him we broke the British transfer record, will that ever happen again ?

Even at WHL we had the 6th highest revenues in the league so that should be our default expectation of league position. We are outperforming since Poch joined. Have ENIC as owners contributed to that ? Well if you look at investment in the playing squad - fees and wages - then the answer is a categoric no. So guess what you end up concluding what we all know anyway, we are outperforming because of Poch, in spite of, not because of ENIC.

So as far as I can see it the only thing we can be grateful for to ENIC is that they hired Poch. Now of course if your owners consistently hire great managers then you could say that is their value add. However when the appointment immediately preceding Poch is Tim Sherwood you have to say that Poch’s appointment was way more luck than judgement.

as you said in other post it's pointless talking too each other. you are set in your hate, and forget we started to improve with Jol and Redknapp, but you would forget those times as we spent a fraction more. not the amounts that Chelsea where spending, or when City got taken over gaining a decent size stadium and have got away with breaking FFP.

you have the hump even more because they charged you more for you seat, and are treating you as a customer which is what you are. even if you own shares you are still a customer, just like the person that takes your seat when you can't go again.

you can't see that going into the new stadium which ENIC built has now meant 5 or 6 players that have renewed their contracts, plus Poch all near on doubling them all, and you think we could do that in the old stadium and then stay in FFP and also have funds to buy players to compete with Man C, Man U, Liverpool, Chelsea and Arsenal and attract better players then I don't think you are talking with your head, just your heart.

I really hope ENIC prove you wrong, and them and Poch stay with us for a very long time, but if you don't see where we have come from to where we are now without them then there is no hope for you.

 

[am_yisrael_chai]

as you said in other post it's pointless talking too each other. you are set in your hate, and forget we started to improve with Jol and Redknapp, but you would forget those times as we spent a fraction more. not the amounts that Chelsea where spending, or when City got taken over gaining a decent size stadium and have got away with breaking FFP.

you have the hump even more because they charged you more for you seat, and are treating you as a customer which is what you are. even if you own shares you are still a customer, just like the person that takes your seat when you can't go again.

you can't see that going into the new stadium which ENIC built has now meant 5 or 6 players that have renewed their contracts, plus Poch all near on doubling them all, and you think we could do that in the old stadium and then stay in FFP and also have funds to buy players to compete with Man C, Man U, Liverpool, Chelsea and Arsenal and attract better players then I don't think you are talking with your head, just your heart.

I really hope ENIC prove you wrong, and them and Poch stay with us for a very long time, but if you don't see where we have come from to where we are now without them then there is no hope for you.

You have a fantastic ability to utterly miss the fundamental point of the post you are replying to. Congratulations, that takes some doing.

 

[Lighty64]

You have a fantastic ability to utterly miss the fundamental point of the post you are replying to. Congratulations, that takes some doing.

no I just disagree, ENIC are better owners. Scholar took us on the brink of bankruptcy trying to make us a force, and his stupidity set us back at the most important time in the clubs history. had he played it a lot safer, then our history could of been so different. Sugar did what you said, and I'm not arguing that.

what you expect from any new owner is improvement and hopefully success. the success hasn't come, not helped by the fact Chelsea and Man C took over. the only thing ENIC could of done better is either throw mega money at the start, which could backfired, or got permission to do what they have done at the start, but not easy to do when you don't even have a product on the field.

we have missed out on Europe once since Jol took over, and cemented ourselves in the top 6. they took a big hit with the build thanks to Brexit, and it has made the prices higher. we had record profits last year, but didn't sell players to make room for new players, and was then hit with delays. if you think we should take risks that's your choice.

oh by the way the Richardsons where better owners than Scholar look at our history with them

 

[waresy]

Saw some chap stood on the ramp to Wembley last night with a placard with #levyout and #profitbeforeglory on it. He wasnt getting much attention.

I find it odd that at a time we are better than we have been since the premier league era, when football clubs are billionaire's toys we have fans that want this.

I'm sure we could throw money at a single hit of a trophy but we'd be back down in mid table before we know it, do too much and you could be where Leeds and Portsmouth ended up.

 

[Archibald&Crooks]

I'm sure we could throw money at a single hit of a trophy but we'd be back down in mid table before we know it, do too much and you could be where Leeds and Portsmouth ended up.

Or Man City, or Chelsea, or Liverpool. Its always the worst case scenario with that great big whopper of a fairytale

 

[waresy]

Or Man City, or Chelsea, or Liverpool. Its always the worst case scenario with that great big whopper of a fairytale

Of those 3, 2 of them have been bank rolled and I'm not too sure on Liverpool's ownership. It's all about risk and whether it is long or short term isnt it?

 

[Shadydan]

Saw some chap stood on the ramp to Wembley last night with a placard with #levyout and #profitbeforeglory on it. He wasnt getting much attention.

I find it odd that at a time we are better than we have been since the premier league era, when football clubs are billionaire's toys we have fans that want this.

I'm sure we could throw money at a single hit of a trophy but we'd be back down in mid table before we know it, do too much and you could be where Leeds and Portsmouth ended up.

Blatantly @Archibald&Crooks

 

[spursfan77]

Come on , own up, which one of you is this last night?!?!?

 

[jurgen]

Saw some chap stood on the ramp to Wembley last night with a placard with #levyout and #profitbeforeglory on it. He wasnt getting much attention.

I find it odd that at a time we are better than we have been since the premier league era, when football clubs are billionaire's toys we have fans that want this.

I'm sure we could throw money at a single hit of a trophy but we'd be back down in mid table before we know it, do too much and you could be where Leeds and Portsmouth ended up.

Be careful what you wish for.

 

[wrd]

Come on , own up, which one of you is this last night?!?!?

Profit before glory!! Whilst wearing half the club shop.

 

[spursfan1991]

This thread was all the way down to page 4. Its only fair we get this upto page 1 now that we have lost a game and the discussion can now commence again.

 

[SpunkyBackpack]

This thread was all the way down to page 4. Its only fair we get this upto page 1 now that we have lost a game and the discussion can now commence again.

Wow, it turns out some people really do just want to watch the world burn.

 

[BringBack_leGin]

This thread was all the way down to page 4. Its only fair we get this upto page 1 now that we have lost a game and the discussion can now commence again.

You do realise that there are two football teams on the pitch in any given match, yes?

 

[spursfan1991]

guys, i was just trying to be funny, guess the timing was wrong lol

 

[wrd]

Burnley were better on the day, we had I think maybe 2 players who played OK the rest poor, Levy did not enter my mind the entire game.

 

[BringBack_leGin]

guys, i was just trying to be funny, guess the timing was wrong lol

Oh great timing, right after we’re all going to be fuming after losing a heated match. Well done.

Do you even give a shit or is it just one big laugh to you?

 

[SpunkyBackpack]

Oh great timing, right after we’re all going to be fuming after losing a heated match. Well done.

Do you even give a shit or is it just one big laugh to you?

Don't worry, i have good news in the new stadium discussion thread.

 

[spursfan77]

Bloody levy, why he rubbish at defending and attacking set pieces!?!?