Is Levy getting blamed for Lewis mistakes?

[SpartanSpur]

That's what I'm doing. I'm just saying I don't fully agree with everyone saying its a no brainer the stadium will take us up a level. Sure it'll look pretty but whats done on the field is what matters.

It should solidify us in the top 6. We spent most of the PL years on par with Everton. Look at the two clubs now. Arsenal have had a shocking period and have still finished top 6 and competed for cups.

That is the benefit of the off field stuff we have done, we shouldn't now regress to mid table obscurity if we suffer a bad spell.

There has also been a lot of poor upper level management there too. I think Kroenke is a bad egg of a chairman.

Liverpool have however shown the benefits of backing a manager big at the right time. Hopefully we are able to do the same before Poch leaves, now the foundations have been laid.

 

[CantSmileWithoutYou]

Nothing's been announced and there is no ITK on this.

But why sell the rights to your kit for 15 years at 30m a year when Chelsea already get 60m and United get 75m per year, if there is not something else to the deal?

 

[jurgen]

Need the money now due to spiralling costs and knowing we aren't going to be at the top table as a team and therefore commercially while paying the stadium off?

 

[jimmy-jojo]

That's what I'm doing. I'm just saying I don't fully agree with everyone saying its a no brainer the stadium will take us up a level. Sure it'll look pretty but whats done on the field is what matters.

And where do you think we'll be without the new stadium?

 

[fortworthspur]

I think Levy is just trying to build a financially sound, successful club. When they sell the return on investment is going to be through the roof even if we make a few more transfers.

 

[dtxspurs]

And where do you think we'll be without the new stadium?

Where we are now...

 

[Saoirse]

Nothing's been announced and there is no ITK on this.

But why sell the rights to your kit for 15 years at 30m a year when Chelsea already get 60m and United get 75m per year, if there is not something else to the deal?

Because that's exactly where we are. Our commercials have for quite some time been at about half the level of the teams above us. Top 4 isn't really enough to change that. Sustained success - consistent trophies including at least a couple of PLs and CLs - is the only way to attract international support and grow that. We've raised out expectations way above the realistic level. From a financial perspective, which dictates success these days whether you like it or not, we aren't Manchester United in waiting. We're Everton overachieving a bit and playing above their station. The new ground solves part of that, but not all of it, and in the medium term brings a lot of debt too.

 

[For the love of Spurs]

Another question is why we need to point a finger after every defeat? If we won today would we be asking who needs to take the plaudits? Are we really in a situation where someone needs to answer for the position we find ourselves in?

It’s emotions, that being said our squad was always good enough for a top 4 challenge but not realistically for a league one. We have weakness and I highly doubt Poch wouldn’t want improvements in our squad, just suspect we either couldn’t afford what we needed or they didn’t want to come.

On days like today when a tired squad with depth issues in certain areas shows up people will moan about it.

As a club we have to set our ambition, if top 4 is the all fine, if we want titles we have to improve key areas no question and a big part of that is the transfer/money aspect which seems to be the main difference between us and the likes of Liverpool at this moment in time. When they have seasons where key areas are exposed they fix them in the market, we less so and if we can’t afford it then so be it.

 

[jimmy-jojo]

Where we are now...

We're not staying where we are now if we stuck with the old WHL. Standing still means going backward.

We have overachieved in being where we are now. No way is our Top 4 position sustainable long-term without the new stadium and all the extra revenue it will bring with it.

 

[shelfboy68]

It’s emotions, that being said our squad was always good enough for a top 4 challenge but not realistically for a league one. We have weakness and I highly doubt Poch wouldn’t want improvements in our squad, just suspect we either couldn’t afford what we needed or they didn’t want to come.

On days like today when a tired squad with depth issues in certain areas shows up people will moan about it.

As a club we have to set our ambition, if top 4 is the all fine, if we want titles we have to improve key areas no question and a big part of that is the transfer/money aspect which seems to be the main difference between us and the likes of Liverpool at this moment in time. When they have seasons where key areas are exposed they fix them in the market, we less so and if we can’t afford it then so be it.

Our ambition is top four nothing wrong with that.

 

[For the love of Spurs]

Our ambition is top four nothing wrong with that.

Well then fine, but it would be nice if one day we had ambition to win the title, I think Poch could do it with adequate resources.

 

[spuradik]

It has solidified them as a top 6 club. Think we've built even better infrastructure than them though, and I hope we'll carry the financial investment better. Throw money at players in stead and it's a short term philosophy that quickly can make us mid table again.

A new stadium is not the only way to secure a long term future. It certainly helps but not as much as some people would lead you to believe. Just look at Arsenal, despite the fact that they've spent modestly the past few seasons, more so than us, after paying off their debt, they're still nowhere near the capability that was promised.

Arsenal is an excellent case study for us, in that, they're the prefect example of what happens when the club owners interests lie primarily in generating revenue and profits and doing just enough on the pitch to make top 4 (which they're not doing anytime soon). And it's not like our owners have demonstrated anything that suggests they're any different.

On the contrary, you look at Liverpool with John Henry and their strategy which is about creating a winning team and all else will follow. They've invested just enough in their stadium to be competitive but at the same time have backed their manager by identifying and addressing key weaknesses, which is now delivering results. Their swift/consistent improvement, and resulting success on the pitch mean they will keep growing in popularity across the globe. Successful teams attract huge fan bases globally and make it attractive for sponsors generating massive revenues via marketing and advertising. This is in addition to the TV and prize money from various competitions (there may not be a substantial difference in the PL between the top 4, but it is in the CL). This is how they will be recouping their investment.

Our strategy is eerily similar to Arsenal's, and that worries me. Especially when we were told that the Stadium costs will not impact the football side of things. Every season there's a different excuse. So should we now assume that for the next 10-20 years, until we pay off the stadium debt, there won't be any significant investment in players. At Arsenal, it's not a whole lot different, they buy cheap substandard players.

In terms of blame, they're both collectively worthy of it. In contrast to Poch, who has done a remarkable job regardless of what's been thrown at him.

 

[Lilbaz]

A new stadium is not the only way to secure a long term future. It certainly helps but not as much as some people would lead you to believe. Just look at Arsenal, despite the fact that they've spent modestly the past few seasons, more so than us, after paying off their debt, they're still nowhere near the capability that was promised.

Arsenal is an excellent case study for us, in that, they're the prefect example of what happens when the club owners interests lie primarily in generating revenue and profits and doing just enough on the pitch to make top 4 (which they're not doing anytime soon). And it's not like our owners have demonstrated anything that suggests they're any different.

On the contrary, you look at Liverpool with John Henry and their strategy which is about creating a winning team and all else will follow. They've invested just enough in their stadium to be competitive but at the same time have backed their manager by identifying and addressing key weaknesses, which is now delivering results. Their swift/consistent improvement, and resulting success on the pitch mean they will keep growing in popularity across the globe. Successful teams attract huge fan bases globally and make it attractive for sponsors generating massive revenues via marketing and advertising. This is in addition to the TV and prize money from various competitions (there may not be a substantial difference in the PL between the top 4, but it is in the CL). This is how they will be recouping their investment.

Our strategy is eerily similar to Arsenal's, and that worries me. Especially when we were told that the Stadium costs will not impact the football side of things. Every season there's a different excuse. So should we now assume that for the next 10-20 years, until we pay off the stadium debt, there won't be any significant investment in players. At Arsenal, it's not a whole lot different, they buy cheap substandard players.

In terms of blame, they're both collectively worthy of it. In contrast to Poch, who has done a remarkable job regardless of what's been thrown at him.

And to think this morning we were in a title race.

 

[Deleted member 27995]

And to think this morning we were in a title race.

Relegation and desolation beckons, sorry.

 

[shelfboy68]

And to think this morning we were in a title race.

We were never in a title race we are in a top four race and that's our target.

 

[Gassin's finest]

Lewis has majority shares in ENIC, and ENIC has majority shareholder of Tottenham... Beyond that Lewis has fuck all to do with the club iirc?

 

[Tottenhamboy85]

Lewis has majority shares in ENIC, and ENIC has majority shareholder of Tottenham... Beyond that Lewis has fuck all to do with the club iirc?

Lewis ( and levy ) own Enic

 

[Lighty64]

Where we are now...

ok lets make it a little more difficult

where do you think we would be if we stayed at the old stadium?

 

[Lilbaz]

ok lets make it a little more difficult

where do you think we would be if we stayed at the old stadium?

Do you mean if we had invested the £400m we've invested in the stadium into players instead?

 

[rez9000]

Lewis has majority shares in ENIC, and ENIC has majority shareholder of Tottenham... Beyond that Lewis has fuck all to do with the club iirc?

Precisely.

I started writing a post in this thread, but to be honest, the whole ownership issie and the "Joe Lewis needs to pour more money into the club' thing is getting too boring.