Is Levy getting blamed for Lewis mistakes?

[Lighty64]

Do you mean if we had invested the £400m we've invested in the stadium into players instead?

that 400m has been over a number of seasons. can't remember the total number that have put pen to paper on new contracts that have not been far from doubling their wages, but that 400m over the 8 seasons wouldn't allowed us to put us in the position to pay them what they are getting now, and would mean we would have to find up and coming players every time. Ok we haven't ever gone big bar the Bale window, but we have lost out on players because of wages.

every one of the other top 6 have bigger stadiums, and have had success since the PL started. Arse, Liverpool and Man U have had money coming in from all over the world near on since. Chelsea and City have owners that have empty pockets, and they too now have money coming in from every corner.

we messed up in the summer, but that doesn't mean it will happen every window. Players that have joined other clubs over us for wages might be a thing of the past, though we will still struggle to compete with the other top 6 teams unless we carry on qualifying for the CL and 2 keep missing out and the players put that before wages

 

[CantSmileWithoutYou]

Need the money now due to spiralling costs and knowing we aren't going to be at the top table as a team and therefore commercially while paying the stadium off?

Because that's exactly where we are. Our commercials have for quite some time been at about half the level of the teams above us. Top 4 isn't really enough to change that. Sustained success - consistent trophies including at least a couple of PLs and CLs - is the only way to attract international support and grow that. We've raised out expectations way above the realistic level. From a financial perspective, which dictates success these days whether you like it or not, we aren't Manchester United in waiting. We're Everton overachieving a bit and playing above their station. The new ground solves part of that, but not all of it, and in the medium term brings a lot of debt too.

You're right in as far as you are guaranteeing against your loans, but you don't under value such a large part of you're income.

Expect the Nike Stadium to be announced in June at 20m per year. 50m per year total, kit and stadium.

 

[Archibald&Crooks]

You're right in as far as you are guaranteeing against your loans, but you don't under value such a large part of you're income.

Expect the Nike Stadium to be announced in June at 20m per year. 50m per year total, kit and stadium.

It wouldn't surprise me if the naming rights were a done deal already and they are holding back on announcing until we've played a few games and got any possible teething problems out of the way, thus avoiding any negative headlines with the words "Nike Stadium" in there.

 

[parj]

Another question is why we need to point a finger after every defeat? If we won today would we be asking who needs to take the plaudits? Are we really in a situation where someone needs to answer for the position we find ourselves in?

But we do when we win.... It's called man of the match. Lately the majority have been giving the plaudits to Sissoko. Last game was KWP.

The joy of football is discussing the match, that's why people group together in pubs or come on to SC, to discuss all things football or spurs. If it's such an issue then why do we have "let's laugh at...." threads where we point fingers at failures of other teams?

Everyone has a right to point a finger or discuss in a forum. Otherwise, what's the point? Calling us shit, unambitious, chairman didn't care I can agree with cos the evidence is contrary, but match day we should be able to discuss the match. And you have the right to ask what's the point of blaming someone.

 

[Dougal]

But we do when we win.... It's called man of the match. Lately the majority have been giving the plaudits to Sissoko. Last game was KWP.

The joy of football is discussing the match, that's why people group together in pubs or come on to SC, to discuss all things football or spurs. If it's such an issue then why do we have "let's laugh at...." threads where we point fingers at failures of other teams?

Everyone has a right to point a finger or discuss in a forum. Otherwise, what's the point? Calling us shit, unambitious, chairman didn't care I can agree with cos the evidence is contrary, but match day we should be able to discuss the match. And you have the right to ask what's the point of blaming someone.

Bit of a difference between winning (KWP was MOM) and losing (the club is rotten to the core, burn them all!).

 

[tony0379]

It wouldn't surprise me if the naming rights were a done deal already and they are holding back on announcing until we've played a few games and got any possible teething problems out of the way, thus avoiding any negative headlines with the words "Nike Stadium" in there.

You know something, don't you?

 

[CantSmileWithoutYou]

You know something, don't you?

If enough clues haven't been issued already, just look at the branding.

It's an upside down, back to front Nike swoosh. Try it.

Also the A in Stadium is the same as other Nike associated stadiums across Europe.

 

[CantSmileWithoutYou]

Just to bring it back to point.

I don't think either can be blamed for much really? They've taken our mid table club with a grand history, to perennial top 4 challengers for the last 13 years, bar 2008/9.

Built/building one of the Best stadiums in the world. The debt will be covered by the Nike kit (and soon to be stadium) deal.

And as a final point, Tottenham is owned by ENIC, which in turn is owned by the Tavistock Group of which Joe Lewis is the major investor and controller of, but there are other investors in Tavistock.

We are a Company, run by a an Investment vehicle, owned by an Investment Group and we will always be run as such.

We are not owned by a sugar daddy.

 

[Lighty64]

Bit of a difference between winning (KWP was MOM) and losing (the club is rotten to the core, burn them all!).

totally true, the players get the praise for winning, ENIC get the blame when we lose. though the way Lloris, Trippier and Winks played the 2nd half yesterday I'd say Joe was in goal, Danny boy was our right back, and Doris the tea lady was in midfield, so it's ENIC's fault

the annoying thing is I reckon the ref was the worst man on the pitch and put in a performance trying to get a week off. even our goal shouldn't of stood

 

[yiddopaul]

Another question is why we need to point a finger after every defeat? If we won today would we be asking who needs to take the plaudits? Are we really in a situation where someone needs to answer for the position we find ourselves in?

It does make me wonder how on earth some would cope when we really were bad!

 

[rez9000]

It does make me wonder how on earth some would cope when we really were bad!

I lived through some of those times - it was terrible being a Spurs supporter. Looking back, I'd much rather be where we are now and battle the ridiculous 'bottler' label than be back in the 90s where we weren't even considered worthy of a label.

 

[Dougal]

It does make me wonder how on earth some would cope when we really were bad!

Thankfully the internet was in its infancy.

 

[HobbitSpur]

Just to bring it back to point.

I don't think either can be blamed for much really? They've taken our mid table club with a grand history, to perennial top 4 challengers for the last 13 years, bar 2008/9.

Built/building one of the Best stadiums in the world. The debt will be covered by the Nike kit (and soon to be stadium) deal.

And as a final point, Tottenham is owned by ENIC, which in turn is owned by the Tavistock Group of which Joe Lewis is the major investor and controller of, but there are other investors in Tavistock.

We are a Company, run by a an Investment vehicle, owned by an Investment Group and we will always be run as such.

We are not owned by a sugar daddy.

Not going against what you say at all, but we are to some degree owned by a sugar daddy.

Joe Lewis

It also annoys me our constant comparison to Arsenal. Arsenal for 10 years was run as a business for profit. Through the blinkered view of Wenger and the board their mindset was that qualification for CL (finishing top 4 in PL) was completely sustainable. They never thought a "Spurs" could gatecrash that and leave them where they currently are.

I honestly believe that our main goal is not to consistently finish in top 4 but to move on and win the PL and become a European powerhouse. The foundations are IMO well and truly in place.

Yes as fans of out beloved Tottenham we always want more, but who could honestly say 5 years ago that they would be venting the the arguments they are now with us in the position we are.

We are envied by a lot but never praised. Sky hate us. We went a whole summer transfer window without purchasing anyone. Can you imagine Sky and Jim White's melt down if every team did that next season.

We are currently making a mockery of United, Liverpool, City, Chelsea, Arsenal et all by spending little and achieving. Imagine running a business, injecting billions and a little up start company is more than competing at the top table while investing next to nothing.

THFC is in a very nice and stable position. We are there through merit and not lavish overspending, and by doing it our way we should remain there for generations to come.

Please just enjoy where we are, what we stand for and what our future holds.

We are, of course, Tottenham, Super Tottenham.

 

[Archibald&Crooks]

It does make me wonder how on earth some would cope when we really were bad!

Bad? Try relegated. If the internet was around then it doesn't bear thinking about.

 

[spuradik]

Not going against what you say at all, but we are to some degree owned by a sugar daddy.

Joe Lewis

It also annoys me our constant comparison to Arsenal. Arsenal for 10 years was run as a business for profit. Through the blinkered view of Wenger and the board their mindset was that qualification for CL (finishing top 4 in PL) was completely sustainable. They never thought a "Spurs" could gatecrash that and leave them where they currently are.

I honestly believe that our main goal is not to consistently finish in top 4 but to move on and win the PL and become a European powerhouse. The foundations are IMO well and truly in place.

Yes as fans of out beloved Tottenham we always want more, but who could honestly say 5 years ago that they would be venting the the arguments they are now with us in the position we are.

We are envied by a lot but never praised. Sky hate us. We went a whole summer transfer window without purchasing anyone. Can you imagine Sky and Jim White's melt down if every team did that next season.

We are currently making a mockery of United, Liverpool, City, Chelsea, Arsenal et all by spending little and achieving. Imagine running a business, injecting billions and a little up start company is more than competing at the top table while investing next to nothing.

THFC is in a very nice and stable position. We are there through merit and not lavish overspending, and by doing it our way we should remain there for generations to come.

Please just enjoy where we are, what we stand for and what our future holds.

We are, of course, Tottenham, Super Tottenham.

If you subtract Poch from that equation, it would look a lot different wouldn't it. The very fact that we're able to go thru a complete transfer window without a single signing and still compete is testament to his brilliance and ability as a manger. He is literally saving the blushes of our beloved chairman.

Levy wouldn't have stood a chance in the market of the past 4-5 years. Without Poch, we'd be somewhere below where Everton are currently.

 

[For the love of Spurs]

If you subtract Poch from that equation, it would look a lot different wouldn't it. The very fact that we're able to go a complete transfer window without a single signing and still compete is testament to his brilliance and ability as a manger. He is literally saving the blushes of our beloved chairman.

Levy wouldn't have stood a chance in the market of the past 4-5 years. Without Poch, we'd be somewhere below where Everton are currently.

Maybe, probably if our number one managerial target Louis van gaal hadn’t rejected us for United and we picked up Poch our club would be in a very different state but luck is a big factor in life.

 

[SpursDave88]

Not going against what you say at all, but we are to some degree owned by a sugar daddy.

Joe Lewis

It also annoys me our constant comparison to Arsenal. Arsenal for 10 years was run as a business for profit. Through the blinkered view of Wenger and the board their mindset was that qualification for CL (finishing top 4 in PL) was completely sustainable. They never thought a "Spurs" could gatecrash that and leave them where they currently are.

I honestly believe that our main goal is not to consistently finish in top 4 but to move on and win the PL and become a European powerhouse. The foundations are IMO well and truly in place.

Yes as fans of out beloved Tottenham we always want more, but who could honestly say 5 years ago that they would be venting the the arguments they are now with us in the position we are.

We are envied by a lot but never praised. Sky hate us. We went a whole summer transfer window without purchasing anyone. Can you imagine Sky and Jim White's melt down if every team did that next season.

We are currently making a mockery of United, Liverpool, City, Chelsea, Arsenal et all by spending little and achieving. Imagine running a business, injecting billions and a little up start company is more than competing at the top table while investing next to nothing.

THFC is in a very nice and stable position. We are there through merit and not lavish overspending, and by doing it our way we should remain there for generations to come.

Please just enjoy where we are, what we stand for and what our future holds.

We are, of course, Tottenham, Super Tottenham.

Liverpool will win the league this year.

City and Chelsea have both won more in the last 5 years than we have in the last 50.

Arsenal's much maligned former manager Arsene Wenger won almost as much as Arsenal manager as Tottenham Hotspur have in their entire history.

Now I admire your optimism and after a good result on Tuesday may share it...such is my fickleness.

But to say we are making a mockery of those clubs is very silly.

Fans or those clubs mock us because we never win anything...even in fallow years they still win the odd FA cup.

 

[southlondonyiddo]

Why would a business spend 150-200million just to move up 2 or 3 places in the league?

Is it worth it in regards to the bottom line?

If you own a club to increase its value by spending as little as possible to return as much as possible why would you?

If you have spent a lot of money on a new stadium in trying to attract someone to spend close to 1 billion to buy you out why would you waste 200m

If you are a 'fan' none of the above is relevant but ENIC are not fans

 

[HobbitSpur]

If you subtract Poch from that equation, it would look a lot different wouldn't it. The very fact that we're able to go thru a complete transfer window without a single signing and still compete is testament to his brilliance and ability as a manger. He is literally saving the blushes of our beloved chairman.

Levy wouldn't have stood a chance in the market of the past 4-5 years. Without Poch, we'd be somewhere below where Everton are currently.

If we subtract Poch then things could be very different or they could be very similar. No one knows and will never know as that chain of events did not occur. If we did not have poch perhaps we could have beaten Leicester to the PL. If we had someone different at the helm we might have beaten juventus last season and gone on to win the CL. Etc. Etc.

And how is poch saving Levys blushes surrounding not buying anyone in transfer window. At what point is it written that a team MUST make a purchase during transfer window. Perhaps the players that Levy wanted to bring in might have turned us into title winners but Poch said he didn't want them.

There are too many on here making arguments and getting themselves twisted based on predictions made on what could have's.

These are all opinions, and while I have no problems with opinions, they are just like arseholes, that are not fact.

IMO we have a first team of which nearly all would walk into one of the top four sides. We are putting a squad together that is becoming revered, not just because of what is cost but because of the quality.

Could that have been done without Levy and Poch? No one will ever know.

Will we capitulate if Poch leaves, I hope we don't find out in the near future, but no one knows.

Without everyones personal opinions we wouldn't have websites like this. But things are better at this club than they have been for years. Lets stop beating ourselves up with this Self-depricating, things could just as easily been a lot worse today than what they are.

Just my opinion.

 

[cookiemonster]

Liverpool will win the league this year.

City and Chelsea have both won more in the last 5 years than we have in the last 50.

Arsenal's much maligned former manager Arsene Wenger won almost as much as Arsenal manager as Tottenham Hotspur have in their entire history.

Now I admire your optimism and after a good result on Tuesday may share it...such is my fickleness.

But to say we are making a mockery of those clubs is very silly.

Fans or those clubs mock us because we never win anything...even in fallow years they still win the odd FA cup.

If you visit the other club message boards

Whenever we are laughed at for our lack of trophies

Some poor spurs fans comeback line will be" oh our future is brighter than yours because we have world class training facilities and best stadium in the world coming up"

And then they laughed even more