Jermain Defoe (to Portsmouth)

[SpurSince57]

What is this Special Skill? Something like what you get in RPG D&D-style games?

 

[joey55]

I had exactly this argument in the summer, Which is why at the time I highlighted the fact that Defoe's actual goals per minute ratio was better than Bent's. I highlighted this because, I argued and maintain still, is a far better way of assessing strikers as meriting what denotes a chance and even then what does it matter if a striker is making more chances for himself than the other stiker who only waits for great chances to come along. At the end of the day games are limited by time not chances. And Defoe manages more goals per minute.

But Bent played 2865 mins last season and scored 11 goals (not including pens). Defoe played 1927 mins last season and scored 7 goals (not including pens). That means that Bent scored every 260 minutes and Defoe every 275 mins. The season before that Defoe got it down to 245, whilst Bent was at 208 (again both without penalties).

 

[dirtydave]

off sky sports fans rumours....
Wullie Jones (Rangers fan) says...

i heard from my mate who works at rangers training ground murray park that spurs have are interested in a swap deal involving jermaine defoe and alan hutton. watch this space
Posted 14:24 8th January 2008


hmmm.... utter bollocks me thinks.

 

[Bus-Conductor]

So the theory only holds good for comparing Bent and Defoe?

Yes, for Mido I use the "watch him play" theory.

 

[Bus-Conductor]

But Bent played 2865 mins last season and scored 11 goals (not including pens). Defoe played 1927 mins last season and scored 7 goals (not including pens). That means that Bent scored every 260 minutes and Defoe every 275 mins. The season before that Defoe got it down to 245, whilst Bent was at 208 (again both without penalties).

Where's this seasons ?

 

[Bus-Conductor]

But Bent played 2865 mins last season and scored 11 goals (not including pens). Defoe played 1927 mins last season and scored 7 goals (not including pens). That means that Bent scored every 260 minutes and Defoe every 275 mins. The season before that Defoe got it down to 245, whilst Bent was at 208 (again both without penalties).

Nice try. He scored 8 league goals last season giving him an average of 240 pewr goal compared to Bents 260.

 

[joey55]

Where's this seasons ?

Why are this seasons relevant? You said:

"I had exactly this argument in the summer, Which is why at the time I highlighted the fact that Defoe's actual goals per minute ratio was better than Bent's. I highlighted this because, I argued and maintain still, is a far better way of assessing strikers as meriting what denotes a chance and even then what does it matter if a striker is making more chances for himself than the other stiker who only waits for great chances to come along. At the end of the day games are limited by time not chances. And Defoe manages more goals per minute."

The summer was before this season, unless you are coounting gaes played in August, but Defoe didn't score until December. I like them both, but Bent is clearly your prefered option, given the way you like to assess strikers.

 

[ChrisDefoe18]

Dont know why everyone is so surpised and spitting there dummy out about Defoe being sold...Looks like it to me he has said im gonna sit my contract out here and jump in the money train in the summer and end up playing for a bloody Champions League club...

Ramos has no choice but to offload him IMO and im sorry but Defoe is a good player but i think its time for him to get his career back on track..Spurs have held him back enough and if he isnt gonna start he deserves to go to a place that he can.

 

[joey55]

Nice try. He scored 8 league goals last season giving him an average of 240 pewr goal compared to Bents 260.

This was my source :


http://football.stats.com/epl/players.asp?player=7243

Says Defoe scored 3 pens.

Edit : I've just checked and he did score 3 penalites, Blackburn, Pomepy and West ham. But even if he hadn't of, it wouldn't have been a "nice try", as I wouldn't have posted anything i didn't think was correct. It would have been a simple error.

 

[Defsta]

Very difficult to compare Mido & Defoe.

They couldn't be more different.

No it isn't Mido's belly was so much bigger than Defoe :shrug:

 

[sloth]

What is this Special Skill? Something like what you get in RPG D&D-style games?

I don't really play those games, in fact I just don't, but I think I know how it works and so perhaps the answers yes?

Special skill might be Zokora's surging runs, Chimbonda's prodigious leaps, Kanoute's velcro chest, Defoe's shift-and-shoot or Lee's mighty throw-ins.

Something special they do better than others and of course you rate it as high or low as you like.

 

[yanno]

Special skill might be Zokora's surging runs,
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Something special they do better than others and of course you rate it as high or low as you like.

Zokora does make the occasional eye-catching surging run, but they are entirely unproductive as he doesn't know what to do at the end of them. He usually falls over looking for a freekick or passes to the opposition.

So, how do assess a Special Skill which is entirely unproductive?

 

[Bus-Conductor]

This was my source :


http://football.stats.com/epl/players.asp?player=7243

Says Defoe scored 3 pens.

Well my source was the spurs program v manC last year. Which didn't includethe goal he scored against Blackburn which takes his average down to 214. He pissed him.

 

[idlepete]

Is Mido's special skill the ability to summon an army of adoring Egyptians at will?

 

[joey55]

Well my source was the spurs program v manC last year. Which didn't includethe goal he scored against Blackburn which takes his average down to 214. He pissed him.

Well your source is wrong. Defoe scored 10 goals last season, in 1927 mins. 3 of these were penalties, so 1927/7 = 275.

What does that last bit mean?

 

[sloth]

But Bent played 2865 mins last season and scored 11 goals (not including pens). Defoe played 1927 mins last season and scored 7 goals (not including pens). That means that Bent scored every 260 minutes and Defoe every 275 mins. The season before that Defoe got it down to 245, whilst Bent was at 208 (again both without penalties).

But all these statistics are meaningless (my system's much better btw, I just can't get anyone to take it seriously [sigh]), apart from the fact they play two different roles in their respective teams etc etc comparing players of different teams on statistics alone simply doesn't work. It's like me comparing the tomatoes I grew in my green-house using lots of fertiliser, with the tomatoes you grew in your back-yard in a patchy bit of scrub. You can certainly say which did better but it says nothing about the intrinsic quality of the individual tomatoes.

This is why all statistics pertaining to individuals are fairly pointless. I'm a sports trader and we build computer models to predict the outcomes of sporting events and generate true odds. In golf, for example, player data is vital, in football, other than taking an over-all market temperature (which may take into account players omitted etc), we focus almost entirely on the team. Individual player stats are of no use whatsoever largely because of the mitigating circumstances of the teams with which they are surrounded, but also, admittedly for several other reasons.

 

[Bus-Conductor]

Well your source is wrong. Defoe scored 10 goals last season, in 1927 mins. 3 of these were penalties, so 1927/7 = 275.

What does that last bit mean?

Er, I think you need to get your abacus out. 10 goals (not the 7 you first claimed) in 1927 makes an average of 192.7.
He pissed it more.

 

[joey55]

Er, I think you need to get your abacus out. 10 goals (not the 7 you first claimed) in 1927 makes an average of 192.7.
He pissed it more.

Why don't you read what has been posted? These stats do not include penalties. And didn't you claim he'd scored 8, not 7? If so, where did the 8 come from?

 

[Bus-Conductor]

Get the fuck outa here. You can't dock him his penalties, there fucking goals - you can still miss them. And they used up minutes !

Defoe's GPM was better than bents last season. Despite Bent being the "main man" at charlton and defoe playing in fits and starts including coming on as sub.

It's conclusive.

 

[SpurSince57]

I don't really play those games, in fact I just don't, but I think I know how it works and so perhaps the answers yes?

Special skill might be Zokora's surging runs, Chimbonda's prodigious leaps, Kanoute's velcro chest, Defoe's shift-and-shoot or Lee's mighty throw-ins.

Something special they do better than others and of course you rate it as high or low as you like.

And there was me hoping it might be an ability to find buried treasure, open any lock, freeze time or zap an entire horde of Orcs with fireballs.