Jermaine Jenas - Stay or Go?

[roosh]

We have finished 5 twice, qualified for Europe 3 times, won a trophy and reached a further cup final with JJ in the side. Have Villa, Everton or Man City been more successful than that with Barry, Cahill and Ireland?

EDIT: Apologies, just looked over what I wrote in the previous post, and I should have said "he hasn't set the premiership alight" as opposed to "we haven't set it alight"


Everton have been more successful I would say. Villa to a similar level and Man City less so.

I'm not sure how right or wrong the following are, so I don't say them with any degree of authority, rather with the intent of clarifying the perception of Jenas (my own included)


I think Cahill was with Everton when they won the FA Cup (trumps our Carling Cup) and they finished 5th (a couple of times?) and they also when they finished 4th.

Barry has finished 5th with Villa and they've qualified for Europe a few times haven't they?

Stephen Ireland probably less so.


Still though, individually all 3 would be better than Jenas.

 

[Green Valley]

EDIT: Apologies, just looked over what I wrote in the previous post, and I should have said "he hasn't set the premiership alight" as opposed to "we haven't set it alight"


Everton have been more successful I would say. Villa to a similar level and Man City less so.

I'm not sure how right or wrong the following are, so I don't say them with any degree of authority, rather with the intent of clarifying the perception of Jenas (my own included)


I think Cahill was with Everton when they won the FA Cup (trumps our Carling Cup) and they finished 5th (a couple of times?) and they also when they finished 4th.

Barry has finished 5th with Villa and they've qualified for Europe a few times haven't they?

Stephen Ireland probably less so.


Still though, individually all 3 would be better than Jenas.

Cahil was 16 and living in oz the last time Everton won the FA Cup.

Villa have qualified twice for Europe during Barry's time there. Last season and
when they were runners up in the fa cup 2000

 

[roosh]

Cahil was 16 and living in oz the last time Everton won the FA Cup.

Villa have qualified twice for Europe during Barry's time there.

apologies, I wikipedia'd it and misread FA cup runners-up as wins.

Like I say though, individually Ireland, Barry and Cahill are all better than Jenas and all from outside the top 4.

 

[Green Valley]

apologies, I wikipedia'd it and misread FA cup runners-up as wins.

Like I say though, individually Ireland, Barry and Cahill are all better than Jenas and all from outside the top 4.

I disagree. Ireland is most probably but the other two are not.

 

[nickchrissi]

JENAS 5.72 GAMES PER GOAL

ANDERTON 6.85 GAMES PER GOAL


Stick that in you pipes :shake:

JJ is a better midfield player than Anderton was. Some of you need to go to specsavers

Anderton played his best games for England.

• He scores more goals per game
• Covers more ground
• Helps to concede less goals
• More valuable to the team
• Can hit a Cross Bar from 50 yards :wink:

That statement of goals to games doesn't mean shit, it's bollocks.

All of you JJ worshipers make me sick! Palacios' goals to game ratio in English football is 0 goals in 55 games for Birmingham, Wigan and Spurs but I and many others would take half a Wilson Palacios and replace him with that inconsistent lump of turd Jenas.

BTW Anderton was much better when fit than JJ will ever be. When the fuck have United ever came calling for Jenas and when has he ever been a starter for England?

He's TOILET.

 

[southlondonyiddo]

That statement of goals to games doesn't mean shit, it's bollocks.

All of you JJ worshipers make me sick! Palacios' goals to game ratio in English football is 0 goals in 55 games for Birmingham, Wigan and Spurs but I and many others would take half a Wilson Palacios and replace him with that inconsistent lump of turd Jenas.

BTW Anderton was much better when fit than JJ will ever be. When the fuck have United ever came calling for Jenas and when has he ever been a starter for England?

He's TOILET.

:rofl::rofl::rofl:

Yeah scoring goals is well over rated your right mate Eek

 

[ginol@14]

That statement of goals to games doesn't mean shit, it's bollocks.

All of you JJ worshipers make me sick! Palacios' goals to game ratio in English football is 0 goals in 55 games for Birmingham, Wigan and Spurs but I and many others would take half a Wilson Palacios and replace him with that inconsistent lump of turd Jenas.

BTW Anderton was much better when fit than JJ will ever be. When the fuck have United ever came calling for Jenas and when has he ever been a starter for England?

He's TOILET.

spot on mate , you obviously know your football :clap:

 

[roosh]

:rofl::rofl::rofl:

Yeah scoring goals is well over rated your right mate Eek

as the sole criteria for judgin a midfielder it is well over-rated.

Roy Keane had an approximately 1:10 goals to games ratio with united.

Patrick Vieira had nearly the same, and they have probably been the best 2 midfielders the premiership has seen.

 

[BringBack_leGin]

Jenas is a pretty good midfielder, but unlike Modric, Lennon or Palacios he has nothing to really set him apart. Modric has his guile, creativity and intelligence. Palacios has his unbelievable fight, bravery and ball winning, while Lennon has unbelievable pace and some lovely skill and control to complement it.

Jenas on the other hand is a decent tackler, a decent passer, has a defent shot on him, is decent in the air and is decent on the ball. His stand out quality would have to be his stamina (I won't say work rate because part of work rate is in the head, and Jenas loses concentration often).

This makes Jenas a player who in most types of midfield look pretty alright, but my only reason for saying he must stay is that I genuinely don't think we can attract a better player. If we could attract someone who also has that combination that Jenas has of being a jack of all trades, but is better at some or most of those trades, I'd say replace Jenas. Xavi, for instance (and this might seem unfair to use the worlds best midfielder) protects his denfence brilliantly, scores goals, hold the ball well, works his arse off and passes wonderfully both long and short, enabling him to dictate the tempo of the game. Now I know we could never get Xavi, but a player of that type who can genuinely control a game from the centre of the park would be preferable to Jenas in my very honest opinion.

I suppose this is the play I'd like Huddlestone to develop into, but his lack of mobility might always haunt him. Still, I will not right off a 22 year old midfielder.

For now, it seems Jenas is the best we can do. Fair enough. But unless he dramatically improves, I hope we can do better within the next couple of years.

 

[roosh]

Jenas is a pretty good midfielder, but unlike Modric, Lennon or Palacios he has nothing to really set him apart. Modric has his guile, creativity and intelligence. Palacios has his unbelievable fight, bravery and ball winning, while Lennon has unbelievable pace and some lovely skill and control to complement it.

Jenas on the other hand is a decent tackler, a decent passer, has a defent shot on him, is decent in the air and is decent on the ball. His stand out quality would have to be his stamina (I won't say work rate because part of work rate is in the head, and Jenas loses concentration often).

This makes Jenas a player who in most types of midfield look pretty alright, but my only reason for saying he must stay is that I genuinely don't think we can attract a better player. If we could attract someone who also has that combination that Jenas has of being a jack of all trades, but is better at some or most of those trades, I'd say replace Jenas. Xavi, for instance (and this might seem unfair to use the worlds best midfielder) protects his denfence brilliantly, scores goals, hold the ball well, works his arse off and passes wonderfully both long and short, enabling him to dictate the tempo of the game. Now I know we could never get Xavi, but a player of that type who can genuinely control a game from the centre of the park would be preferable to Jenas in my very honest opinion.

I suppose this is the play I'd like Huddlestone to develop into, but his lack of mobility might always haunt him. Still, I will not right off a 22 year old midfielder.

For now, it seems Jenas is the best we can do. Fair enough. But unless he dramatically improves, I hope we can do better within the next couple of years.

Well said, and to quote [someone who you guys may not be familiar with] Eamon Dunphy (On Irish TV) - "he's a good player, not a great player"

The problem with Jenas at the moment, as far as I am concerned is that he is unwanted competition for the midfield berth, to the exten that he has probably hampered the potential development of Huddlestone.

Now I know competition for places is healthy, but only when a player believes that he can cement his place in the side. For the past few years we have had unhealthy competition for places, to the extent that no CM pairing was allowed to develop. The hidden effect this had on the team is that while we were jostling our midfielders to find a pairing, we couldn't blood the youngsters in the way that would have beneficial to them and to us i.e. taking their place alongside an established and experienced partner whom they could try to emulate. This I would say has probably hampered Huddlestones development.

Huddlestone has seriously improved his conditioning and his mobility has increased a great deal. What he needs now is to be given a full season to really bring him on. The problem is that Jenas is more experienced and a decent option, without being good enough to guarantee his place. This means that Huddlestone will probably be left fighting for his place when what he needs is to be given an extended run.

I would keep Jenas but only as a squad player. Unless he peaks very late in his career, then we have seen the best of him, and it has been good, not great. Huddlestone has shown that he has the potential to be a very good, if not great player. He needs an extended run in the side to get the development he was denied for the past few years.

Now I know he has got a lot of first team experience, but it was usually as a potential first choice player, as opposed to being a young player gaining experience. It has also been in a midfield that has been too inconsistent, both in terms of performances and selection.

 

[Samson]

Jenas needs to score more goals. I like him, but I think his flaws would be forgiven a lot more readily by others if he scored more goals.

 

[nickchrissi]

OK, going by most of the negative responses to my last post about goals meaning nothing, i've decided to do a little research to show you idiots how stupid you really are...

Goals in the English League... and before you ask im not gonna bother listing the usual suspects like Fellaini, Ireland, Cahill, Arteta etc

JENAS goals to games 7.6

Benayoun 6.25
Geovanni 5
Brunt 5.94
Malbranque 6.92
Matt Taylor 6.86
Dempsey 5.78
Elano 4.42
Osman 7.03
Danny Murphy 6.26

I know i've included wingers, but that's because you could easily stick one of them on the left, move Modric inside and we'd have more goals in the team...

MORE GOALS IS WHAT YOU NEED! So lets replace Jenas with any of the midfielders above with a better goals to game ratio!

MUGS

 

[Tonio]

OK, going by most of the negative responses to my last post about goals meaning nothing, i've decided to do a little research to show you idiots how stupid you really are...

Goals in the English League... and before you ask im not gonna bother listing the usual suspects like Fellaini, Ireland, Cahill, Arteta etc

JENAS goals to games 7.6

Benayoun 6.25
Geovanni 5
Brunt 5.94
Malbranque 6.92
Matt Taylor 6.86
Dempsey 5.78
Elano 4.42
Osman 7.03
Danny Murphy 6.26

I know i've included wingers, but that's because you could easily stick one of them on the left, move Modric inside and we'd have more goals in the team...

MORE GOALS IS WHAT YOU NEED! So lets replace Jenas with any of the midfielders above with a better goals to game ratio!

MUGS

good post:clap:

 

[maltahotspur]

OK, going by most of the negative responses to my last post about goals meaning nothing, i've decided to do a little research to show you idiots how stupid you really are...

Goals in the English League... and before you ask im not gonna bother listing the usual suspects like Fellaini, Ireland, Cahill, Arteta etc

JENAS goals to games 7.6

Benayoun 6.25
Geovanni 5
Brunt 5.94
Malbranque 6.92
Matt Taylor 6.86
Dempsey 5.78
Elano 4.42
Osman 7.03
Danny Murphy 6.26

I know i've included wingers, but that's because you could easily stick one of them on the left, move Modric inside and we'd have more goals in the team...

MORE GOALS IS WHAT YOU NEED! So lets replace Jenas with any of the midfielders above with a better goals to game ratio!

MUGS

Just because the majority on here have a different opinion to yours, you have to come out calling them Itiots,Stupid and Mugs................I think you should go and see a Psychatric, clever boy.

 

[southlondonyiddo]

OK, going by most of the negative responses to my last post about goals meaning nothing, i've decided to do a little research to show you idiots how stupid you really are...

Goals in the English League... and before you ask im not gonna bother listing the usual suspects like Fellaini, Ireland, Cahill, Arteta etc

JENAS goals to games 7.6

Benayoun 6.25
Geovanni 5
Brunt 5.94
Malbranque 6.92
Matt Taylor 6.86
Dempsey 5.78
Elano 4.42
Osman 7.03
Danny Murphy 6.26

I know i've included wingers, but that's because you could easily stick one of them on the left, move Modric inside and we'd have more goals in the team...

MORE GOALS IS WHAT YOU NEED! So lets replace Jenas with any of the midfielders above with a better goals to game ratio!

MUGS

Fantastic post from someone that rated Zokora. I know who the mug is!!

And for you information JJ has scored 20 goals in 116 league games for Tottenham which in my world works out to be 1 in 5.8

Twist stats all you want and be as econmical with the truth as you want but performances dont lie. JJ along with Carrick has been our best CM player for 17 years and we've finished 5th in the league twice with him in the middle 99.9% of the time

Go away and just think how lucky you've been to watch him and how lucky we all are that Zokora went and JJ is still with us :wink:

 

[Legend10]

JJ's Premiership record for Spurs is:

116 apps (including subs)
20 Goals

That's actually in 1 in 5.8

That's better than all on that list apart from Elano and Geovanni who offer absolutely nothing else. And is the same apparently as Dempsey who clearly isn't as good as JJ.

Never mind the penalty takers on the list, and finally Chris Brunt:grin:

 

[Legend10]

Fantastic post from someone that rated Zokora. I know who the mug is!!

And for you information JJ has scored 20 goals in 116 league games for Tottenham which in my world works out to be 1 in 5.8

Twist stats all you want and be as econmical with the truth as you want but performances dont lie. JJ along with Carrick has been our best CM player for 17 years and we've finished 5th in the league twice with him in the middle 99.9% of the time

Go away and just think how lucky you've been to watch him and how lucky we all are that Zokora went and JJ is still with us :wink:

Your quicker than moi:grin:

 

[southlondonyiddo]

Your quicker than moi:grin:

Being such a mug I'm waitng for nickchrissi to share his great footballing knowledge with us all and to tell us all why he would have sold JJ and kept Zokora:stupid::duh:

 

[ginol@14]

Go away and just think how lucky you've been to watch him and how lucky we all are that Zokora went and JJ is still with us :stupid:

god are you 12 years old or something ,have no never seen what a good spurs midfielder is ??? a gazza , hoddle , waddle,ginola ,ardiles ,roberts etc....

lucky to have watched jenas !!!!
i have played with better players than jenas , he is a modern day version of dozzell nothing more , nothing less ,a true showing that england only have a handfull of real top quality CM's
jenas is the lucky one , never has a less talented player worn a spurs shirt for so long without actually doing anything to retain it !!!
jenas has the best agent in the world ,some would say he is a miracle worker from what i was told...... well all us fans that like our midfielders to have a bit of skill and steel about them can pray for the day that some mugs take him off our hands , it worked on bent so ill keep praying ray:

 

[southlondonyiddo]

god are you 12 years old or something ,have no never seen what a good spurs midfielder is ??? a gazza , hoddle , waddle,ginola ,ardiles ,roberts etc....

lucky to have watched jenas !!!!
i have played with better players than jenas , he is a modern day version of dozzell nothing more , nothing less ,a true showing that england only have a handfull of real top quality CM's
jenas is the lucky one , never has a less talented player worn a spurs shirt for so long without actually doing anything to retain it !!!
jenas has the best agent in the world ,some would say he is a miracle worker from what i was told...... well all us fans that like our midfielders to have a bit of skill and steel about them can pray for the day that some mugs take him off our hands , it worked on bent so ill keep praying ray:

Yeah in your dreams you have mate.

As I said JJ along with Carrick have been our best CM players for 17 years unless you'd like to argue??