Maybe JJ could do just as good a job on the right as SWP or Bentley. He has the ability the trouble is he is not consistent. In my opinion the best midfielder last season by far was Malbranque he just pissed me off for not taking a penalty against PSV. I'm tired of waiting for JJ to develop he needs a kick up the arse and the team needs to push on. SWP and Bentley would give JJ that much needed kick, either JJ would take up the challenge or he would fade into obscurity.
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Maybe JJ could do just as good a job on the right as SWP or Bentley. He has the ability the trouble is he is not consistent. In my opinion the best midfielder last season by far was Malbranque he just pissed me off for not taking a penalty against PSV. I'm tired of waiting for JJ to develop he needs a kick up the arse and the team needs to push on. SWP and Bentley would give JJ that much needed kick, either JJ would take up the challenge or he would fade into obscurity.
west indie
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in my view jenas has played for newcastle & the mighty spurs, but at the age of 25 & playing regular 1st team premiership football for both clubs since 2002 he still has'nt mastered his role & he's playing in the most important postion of the team?
many on here have said he is our best midfielder (dc boy regularly haha) but does'nt that show the gulf in class we have been lacking when he can be given that title even though he's been consistantly inconsistant?
jenas is an alright player that would suit the likes of everton, portsmouth & alike who play the 5 man midfield with 1 upfront, but us at spurs play 4-4-2 & in my eyes we lose something with him & zokora in the centre of the park with their so called box to box play that does'nt give the defence proper cover & neither are able to dictate the pace of the game? i would rather see a defensive heavyweight brought in to play alongside modric who then could create, dictate & retain possession while the wingers (lennon & the dos) chipped in with the goals.
ramos is assembling his side & i cannot see him building his team around inconsistant players in the centre of the park? on the bench is where i expect to see zoko & jenas start next season, & it could do them & us the world of good to raise their games..
many on here have said he is our best midfielder (dc boy regularly haha) but does'nt that show the gulf in class we have been lacking when he can be given that title even though he's been consistantly inconsistant?
jenas is an alright player that would suit the likes of everton, portsmouth & alike who play the 5 man midfield with 1 upfront, but us at spurs play 4-4-2 & in my eyes we lose something with him & zokora in the centre of the park with their so called box to box play that does'nt give the defence proper cover & neither are able to dictate the pace of the game? i would rather see a defensive heavyweight brought in to play alongside modric who then could create, dictate & retain possession while the wingers (lennon & the dos) chipped in with the goals.
ramos is assembling his side & i cannot see him building his team around inconsistant players in the centre of the park? on the bench is where i expect to see zoko & jenas start next season, & it could do them & us the world of good to raise their games..
Michey
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Should be easy to sell then...cause he's been shite 95% of the time for us.
How i would love if he wasn't english.....you would absolutely kill him.....but now you give him season after season to show us some talent.
:clap:.......I couldn't have put the above comments any better. I agree 150%. Like Lennon, he has had enough time to prove himself and he hasn't........
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Jenas is a top player, not in a flamboyant way or a man of the match way. At least not always.
But he is a vital cog in the machine, and we are generally a better team when he plays. Also, he has been accused of falling away against the big clubs, and only doing a job against the likes of Wigan, Bolton and Derby. Well, guys like Ronaldo, Rooney and Torres do brilliant against these teams too and people cream themselves over it. When it's Jenas the thought process seems to be 'Well it was only Wigan'. Damn stupid.
As it happens, i think he has stepped up to the plate in important or big games for us. Who turned up with a last minute goal to deny Arsenal 3 points and gain us a precious point as we searched for 5th place in 06/07? Who was the key player over two legs against them in the Carling semi? Whose wicked free - kick set up Woody for the CC winner? I could go on.
Give the guy a break.
But he is a vital cog in the machine, and we are generally a better team when he plays. Also, he has been accused of falling away against the big clubs, and only doing a job against the likes of Wigan, Bolton and Derby. Well, guys like Ronaldo, Rooney and Torres do brilliant against these teams too and people cream themselves over it. When it's Jenas the thought process seems to be 'Well it was only Wigan'. Damn stupid.
As it happens, i think he has stepped up to the plate in important or big games for us. Who turned up with a last minute goal to deny Arsenal 3 points and gain us a precious point as we searched for 5th place in 06/07? Who was the key player over two legs against them in the Carling semi? Whose wicked free - kick set up Woody for the CC winner? I could go on.
Give the guy a break.
well said Tartan spur 
I can add JJ's brilliant point winner at OT a few seasons back, that was one of the key results in giving us confidence that season -
I remember watching that game and when Utd went ahead, thinking here we go agqin - but for once we got something up there beside a bad dose of unluckyitis
I can add JJ's brilliant point winner at OT a few seasons back, that was one of the key results in giving us confidence that season -I remember watching that game and when Utd went ahead, thinking here we go agqin - but for once we got something up there beside a bad dose of unluckyitis
Hi WI
- well time will tell, but I'll bet you a pile of virtual cash that JJ will start more games than either Dos Santos or Lennon - pick either one-in fact if you want to give me 6/4 I'll bet that JJ will start more than either of them full stop.
Naturally my bet is open to all on the Community (well as far as virtual cash can take
One swallow doesn't make a summer afraid. Jenas scored for England but he hasn't been included since. Why? Because he lost form so he was out. For a long time CM Midfield has been weak position for us. JJ has had no competition for his place at all if he had I think he would have played less games for us. Hopefully this will now change.
Hi WI
in fact if you want to give me 6/4 I'll bet that JJ will start more than either of them full stop.
Naturally my bet is open to all on the Community (well as far as virtual cash can take
I wouldn't take you up on that Bet DC because I'd think you win. Dos Santos is 19 and new to the english game. I think he will be used as a sub first of all. Lennon doesn't have the best Crossing ability and JJ is a better at tackling than him. Now if your bet was JJ starting more games than Modric in CM or if we brought Bentley and you thought JJ would start more games ahead of him on the right, I'd take you up on that bet.
Mullers - no I wouldn't bet on the Modric one at evens- cos I guess he will be our number one mid now - BEntley I rate big time - but let's see if he joins first -The main point of my bet is to highliht that far from being bench fodder JJ will still be part of the 'first XI' as things stand
I actually think because of JJ's relatively good injury record and his good fitness levels he will start more than any other mid including Modric - but I'd want 6/4 on that re Modric as I think it's clear that Modric is the man man now
re JJ and england my understanding is not that JJ was dropped. but that he was injured/not fit and unavailable
Also the idea that we will regularly play GDS Lennon Modric in the same XI is something I profoundly disagreee with
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jol played jenas out wide when lennon was injured and all we got was a narrow midfield & no outlet with him and marlbranque coming inside so to play him on the wing ahead of lennon is a non starter in my books..
dc boy whats up mate haha, jenas will play some games but i dont see him being a main member of the 1st 11 come the new season? with the addition of the dos who can operate on the left wing bringing a more natural balance(width) to the team will ease the pressure on lennon now so teams wont be able to double up on him like last season, i think he will shine next season & play more games than jj who will have to up his game to play in the centre to dislodge modric.. if you ask me who i think ramos rates alot as a player i would put zokora before jj
dc boy whats up mate haha, jenas will play some games but i dont see him being a main member of the 1st 11 come the new season? with the addition of the dos who can operate on the left wing bringing a more natural balance(width) to the team will ease the pressure on lennon now so teams wont be able to double up on him like last season, i think he will shine next season & play more games than jj who will have to up his game to play in the centre to dislodge modric.. if you ask me who i think ramos rates alot as a player i would put zokora before jj
Hi WI - fair enough - we'll see ;-)
I've no idea who's gonna play where in the mid next season or even indeed what formation(s) we'll be playing
ATM tho I think pecking order goes something like this Modric, JJ, Dos Santos/Lennon/Zokora, Hudd/Steed
I expect at least one more mid signing, then maybe we'll have a better idea of personnel, placements and formations
I've no idea who's gonna play where in the mid next season or even indeed what formation(s) we'll be playing
ATM tho I think pecking order goes something like this Modric, JJ, Dos Santos/Lennon/Zokora, Hudd/Steed
I expect at least one more mid signing, then maybe we'll have a better idea of personnel, placements and formations
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http://www.thfclatest2-matchreports.com/blog/?p=130
I found this article quite interesting.
It's been said on here (Joey55 I think) Jenas has had some excellent games playing defensive midfield role.
When I've watched Jenas in action he had pulled off some fantastic tackles during matches and with his height and athleticsm (sp) it would be interesting to see if he could do this role in this midfield:
Lennon Jenas Modric Dos Santos
I' still very much in favour of bringing in a specialisy defensive midfield player (Veloso comes to mind - who's Polombo though as he's been mentioned but not heard of him?).
Just think it would be interesting to see if it worked...
I found this article quite interesting.
It's been said on here (Joey55 I think) Jenas has had some excellent games playing defensive midfield role.
When I've watched Jenas in action he had pulled off some fantastic tackles during matches and with his height and athleticsm (sp) it would be interesting to see if he could do this role in this midfield:
Lennon Jenas Modric Dos Santos
I' still very much in favour of bringing in a specialisy defensive midfield player (Veloso comes to mind - who's Polombo though as he's been mentioned but not heard of him?).
Just think it would be interesting to see if it worked...
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JJ along with Aaron are our most frustrating players. They are so inconsistent you never know what sort of performance they are going to turn in. For a short spell around the time of the CC final I thought JJ was just about the best English midfield player in the country. It just did not last long enough. He has ability there cannot be any doubt about that, but I am not sure he ever will be that player we thought he was going to develop into. I said at the start of last that this was the time for him to step up. I now find myself saying the same thing. I have a feeling this coming season will be his last for us.
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I think your comments are fair, Jenas is a good midfilder, sometimes looks great and has the potential to be excellent.
His inconsistant performances do leave him in no mans land somewhat, too good to be written off not good enough to be at the next level.
I fear that if he does not start to perform at the top of his game week in week out he may find himself being a good player at an average club for the remainder of his career.
What with Spurs having ambitions of being more then an average club, if Jenas does not find that extra level (he is more then capable of) he may well be moved on and replaced with 2-3 players who do have that consistancy (hopefully Modric for 1)
I am also hoping that much of Jeans' problems have been caused by the players around him and their poor form, what I am hoping for is an improved midfield unit in general will see Jenas improve also (being complemented by better standard of players next to him will see his consistancy emerge)
ever since JJ joined the club we have had the the 3 most successful seasons in our recent history. Now i am not at all pretending it is solely down to him, because it isn't but he has been a running constant throughout our side. When fit, Jenas plays, thats the way its been for the past 3 seasons. He probably had one of the best midfield partnerships going in the league in his first year with Carrick.
I believe that Jenas is a very good football player, he does a lot of the 'intangibles' the things that you don't really see. Stuff like not vacating the midfield area to quickly and getting ahead of the ball leaving yourself open to counter attack, his work rate is very high, does not lose the ball at all deep in midfield, he rarely if at all gives it away in his own half, plus he his a very underrated tackler, very quick, good stamina, decent in the air and a decent passer. Jenas does a lot of things well and what he is missing is that one defining characteristic that would make him stand out, instead he just does a lot of things very well. The fans get on his back for this and are under some illusion, in my opinion that Tom Huddlestone is a better player, when he isn't and really all Thudd can do is hit the long ball and occasionally get off a decent shot, and because of this seemingly gets a free pass from other things that make you a good midfielder, like good positioning when defending, awareness, not giving the ball away, breaking up play, getting back in position when you've gone ahead of the play and the team has lost it, not giving up silly free kicks, having good mobilty and having good stamina. Huddlestone is an impact player at best.
He doesn't play in the best midfield really though and i think even some of the best midfielders would struggle to look good in our midfield. Hes also been playing on the right side in central midfield normally alongside lennon, who doesn't have the greatest movement in the world and looked a rather limited player this season especially. This hinders him i believe because when he gets the ball high up the pitch Jenas finds it hard to 'slip' Lennon and can sometimes look like he is stuttering when really, lennon is just not moving for him.
I also think Jenas needs someone of quality alongside him, because the one criticism of him is that he doesn't seem to impose himself in games and dominate them, i do believe this is a confidence thing. I'm a season ticket holder and he by far gets the most stick still off the fans, despite being our best player in the Carling Cup run. I do believe he has a tendancy to hide from the ball when this happens, and i hope Ramos can identify this and give him the confidence to get his personality into games more. I believe Juande likes him and will be in our midfield for a long time.
He'll probably go and get sold next week after this post, or we'll but 4 midfielders
I believe that Jenas is a very good football player, he does a lot of the 'intangibles' the things that you don't really see. Stuff like not vacating the midfield area to quickly and getting ahead of the ball leaving yourself open to counter attack, his work rate is very high, does not lose the ball at all deep in midfield, he rarely if at all gives it away in his own half, plus he his a very underrated tackler, very quick, good stamina, decent in the air and a decent passer. Jenas does a lot of things well and what he is missing is that one defining characteristic that would make him stand out, instead he just does a lot of things very well. The fans get on his back for this and are under some illusion, in my opinion that Tom Huddlestone is a better player, when he isn't and really all Thudd can do is hit the long ball and occasionally get off a decent shot, and because of this seemingly gets a free pass from other things that make you a good midfielder, like good positioning when defending, awareness, not giving the ball away, breaking up play, getting back in position when you've gone ahead of the play and the team has lost it, not giving up silly free kicks, having good mobilty and having good stamina. Huddlestone is an impact player at best.
He doesn't play in the best midfield really though and i think even some of the best midfielders would struggle to look good in our midfield. Hes also been playing on the right side in central midfield normally alongside lennon, who doesn't have the greatest movement in the world and looked a rather limited player this season especially. This hinders him i believe because when he gets the ball high up the pitch Jenas finds it hard to 'slip' Lennon and can sometimes look like he is stuttering when really, lennon is just not moving for him.
I also think Jenas needs someone of quality alongside him, because the one criticism of him is that he doesn't seem to impose himself in games and dominate them, i do believe this is a confidence thing. I'm a season ticket holder and he by far gets the most stick still off the fans, despite being our best player in the Carling Cup run. I do believe he has a tendancy to hide from the ball when this happens, and i hope Ramos can identify this and give him the confidence to get his personality into games more. I believe Juande likes him and will be in our midfield for a long time.
He'll probably go and get sold next week after this post, or we'll but 4 midfielders
Jenas was playing some of the best football of his life in January and leading up to the league cup. After the cup everyone went downhill, but if he can maintain that form he had in the beginning of 2008 that got him picked by Capello, we shouldn't let go of him at all. Physically, Jenas doesn't really have any weaknesses and if he can shore up just a few spots of his mental game he'd be one of the best midfielders in the league (and those spots are mostly just to do with confidence). If we buy a new DM i think it'll be mostly be the DM and Jenas pairing in the center of the midfield. If not I think Modric and Jenas could handle the positions extremely well.
