Jose Mourinho

[CoopsieDeadpool]

I'm referring to another manager coming in starting new tactics and new set of players taking a number of windows to attain only for the club to go through the same cycle of achieving diddly squat.

Fair Play, old bean.

But just because I'm a monumental prick of a person, I just can't ignore the "starting new tactics" part of your response.

Just having some tactics would make for a welcome change.

 

[mil1lion]

Whenever I read fans talk about tactics we should have used after a defeat it makes me think of this

 

[Spurs_Bear]

But just because I'm a monumental prick of a person,

Sometimes...sometimes...I nearly shit myself when I read your posts.

 

[shelfboy68]

Fair Play, old bean.

But just because I'm a monumental prick of a person, I can't just ignore the "starting new tactics" part of your response.

Just having some tactics would make for a welcome change.

Yes you do have a fair point mate.

 

[ohtottenham!]

Fair Play, old bean.

But just because I'm a monumental prick of a person, I can't just ignore the "starting new tactics" part of your response.

Just having some tactics would make for a welcome change.

Absolutely, along with a decent transfer budge...rigar!

 

[PLTuck]

Put Bergwijn or Lamela in front of Doherty instead of Bale and he doesn't get so exposed. Put Sissoko in instead of N'Dombele and Doherty is less exposed. We were actually set up more attacking vs Arse than we were vs Palace. Doherty was shit but Serge would have struggled as well cos we left him high and dry with no backup. Arse saw that and capitalised on it.

Lack of intensity from our big players in a NLD is totally unacceptable though, and I include Kane in that.

As for blame, its not an either/or situation for me, they all need their heads banging.

 

[buckley]

Play Aurier or Tanganga instead of Doherty works for me . If you feel the full back is exposed because Bale does not tackle back then to compensate for this tell the right back whoever he is just defend and do not go forward as it will leave us exposed because lets face it Bale is not going to tackle back more because he has not got the engine he had . Bale going forward is what is important to us not his defensive qualities or more like lack of defensive quality .

 

[ZiggySpurs]

And there is the glaring issue.

You're suggesting substitutions & moving players around, purely to make up for the shortfalls of a player who shouldn't have been selected in the first place.

If you don't select that player, or if you remove him because he's, umm, not very good. You don't have to move half the team around, and you don't have to ask others to cover for his ineptitude on the pitch.

Wouldn't it be wonderful if players could simply concentrate on their own games?

I mostly agree with you Coopsie. The lineup could have been different and more defensive in the midfield in hindsight. Though I think Aurier is recovering from an injury and I have no clue where Tanganga is.

Yeah of course it would be wonderful if players just focus on their own games, but part of our defensive fragility arises when players don't have each others backs. If the whole midfield is occupied and the fullbacks are bombing up too, there's too much space left to our two CBs. That's where someone like Sissoko would come in handy to cover the RB position as he does with Aurier regularly. Now don't get me wrong, I'm not saying there'll be a second coming of Sissoko and he's the solution to all of our defensive blunders, but with Sunday's game that's one substitution I felt could have helped us settle down early in the game.

 

[Spurzinho]

Play Aurier or Tanganga instead of Doherty works for me . If you feel the full back is exposed because Bale does not tackle back then to compensate for this tell the right back whoever he is just defend and do not go forward as it will leave us exposed because lets face it Bale is not going to tackle back more because he has not got the engine he had . Bale going forward is what is important to us not his defensive qualities or more like lack of defensive quality .

The thing is Bale cuts in constantly. If you play a defensive right back behind him then you've completely lost any width on that side. The opposition fullback can basically go man for man with Bale, the left side centre back can back up the fullback and the space Bale would look to exploit completely disappears.

 

[ilikeost]

Winning major trophies is besides the point right now, it would be a statistical rarity under any manager and it's not a defined goal for the club. We are 8th in the league, whereas the goal the club has set is CL footie. So we should use that as the benchmark and evaluate manager and players. I don't think we have too many mediocre players to be a CL club, or so many mediocre players that 8th place is our best possible achievement. We've finished between 2nd to 6th place every single year from 2010 to 2020. In a year with both Liverpool and Arsenal behind us, we are struggling with holding on to 8th. So talk about major trophies is a red herring, when we should talk about why we are behind on core goals.

We are 1 point off 6th and 6 points off 4th with 1 game less played than the current team in 4th and 6th, we are not miles off where you say we should be. Liverpool are not behind us, they are 1 point ahead, but we have a game in hand. Would we be 4th with a different manager? The margins are slim so maybe? But I haven't seen anything to suggest that Mourinho is incompetent, nor do I think Pochettino was when he got sacked.

I think it's more likely we would be in 4th or better if we replaced some of the players that are obviously not good enough to play for a team with our ambitions rather than sacking the manager, again. COVID has obviously disrupted the transfer market so it will be hard to do remedy the situation in the summer, but our transfer "strategy" has been pathetic since long before COVID. I'm absolutely sure we would still be without a backup striker if it wasn't for Mourinho being buddy with Jorge Mendes.

 

[CoopsieDeadpool]

Sometimes...sometimes...I nearly shit myself when I read your posts.

Makes me feel less embarrassed for shitting myself when I type my posts.

 

[CoopsieDeadpool]

I mostly agree with you Coopsie. The lineup could have been different and more defensive in the midfield in hindsight. Though I think Aurier is recovering from an injury and I have no clue where Tanganga is.

Yeah of course it would be wonderful if players just focus on their own games, but part of our defensive fragility arises when players don't have each others backs. If the whole midfield is occupied and the fullbacks are bombing up too, there's too much space left to our two CBs. That's where someone like Sissoko would come in handy to cover the RB position as he does with Aurier regularly. Now don't get me wrong, I'm not saying there'll be a second coming of Sissoko and he's the solution to all of our defensive blunders, but with Sunday's game that's one substitution I felt could have helped us settle down early in the game.

You're a top bloke, Ziggy

You got a winner rating for that post.

Not because it's a great post or anything. But because you've typed about 150 words there, and not one of them says Doherty.

 

[CoopsieDeadpool]

We are 1 point off 6th and 6 points off 4th with 1 game less played than the current team in 4th and 6th, we are not miles off where you say we should be. Liverpool are not behind us, they are 1 point ahead, but we have a game in hand. Would we be 4th with a different manager? The margins are slim so maybe? But I haven't seen anything to suggest that Mourinho is incompetent, nor do I think Pochettino was when he got sacked.

I think it's more likely we would be in 4th or better if we replaced some of the players that are obviously not good enough to play for a team with our ambitions rather than sacking the manager, again. COVID has obviously disrupted the transfer market so it will be hard to do remedy the situation in the summer, but our transfer "strategy" has been pathetic since long before COVID. I'm absolutely sure we would still be without a backup striker if it wasn't for Mourinho being buddy with Jorge Mendes.

(Can't remember who posted it ) but You must've skipped past the post from earlier that mentioned the cool quarter of a billion pounds that's been pumped into the squad in recent times?

 

[stevenqoz]

Not seen such a misfit as Doherty playing for us, since the days of David Jenkins, Ralph Coates (first year) and Nicola Berte who actually came to OZ and robbed a living here as well

 

[rez9000]

Not seen such a misfit as Doherty playing for us, since the days of David Jenkins, Ralph Coates (first year) and Nicola Berte who actually came to OZ and robbed a living here as well

"My.... name... is...
Matty Doherty
I’m aged around 30
I come from a club in the Midlands… Wol-ves!
When I walk down the street
All the people I meet
They say, Hey! Gorgeous! Whats your name?"

 

[chinaman]

Not seen such a misfit as Doherty playing for us, since the days of David Jenkins, Ralph Coates (first year) and Nicola Berte who actually came to OZ and robbed a living here as well

You must be over 65 if you remember that turd Jenkins who we swapped for Robertson with, I still dread to believe, the Arse. Surely the worst thing Sir Nick did in his whole Spurs career.

 

[wrd]

I think we're trapped in a cycle with our season, We'll smash a couple of games and then revert back when we play anyone half decent and suffer because of it and I'll have to read the same old shit from the same posters and start forcing triple a batteries through my eyeholes. I think it's simple, if we make Champions League then Jose will get his chance to sign a commanding CB and maybe a couple of other tweaks to build a team in his image. If not then Levy will look to see if he can get somebody else like Nagelsmann. A cup will be nice but it isn't adding 50-60 million to the coffers plus making us a lot more appetizing to potential stadium sponsors. So Europa or top4 is the minimum.

I think the reality is that as a spurs manager you're being hired for your ability to elevate the squad to where it can compete with those who are financially better off and thus make champions league football so the club can continue it's march up the food chain. If you finish in the position of 5th/6th which some might argue is where we expect to finish given where we stand financially then Levy will look for somebody who can go above and beyond.

 

[mil1lion]

The issue Jose has with Bale is not too different to the issue that Koeman had with Dembele at Barca. Dembele didn't do much tracking back either (Griezman was much better at doing this so was being picked more often). They also had issues defensively and made individual errors like us. They since went to a back 3 and put Dembele up top where he doesn't need to track back. This is actually a similar system that I think would suit us albeit with us having a front 3 rather than 1 behind 2.

When we play lesser teams like we have recently you can go back to 4231 with Bale and Son wide where they play mostly on the front foot. When we are likely to have less of the ball switch to a 343 formation and drop the attacking central midfielder. If you go to a back 3 the inside centre back covers across against the opposition wide attacker, while the wide midfielder tracks back against the opposition full back. The wide player on the opposite side also tracks back to defend the far post as the back 3 shift across.

Sanchez----Alderweireld----Davies
Moura----Ndombele----Hojbjerg----Reguilon
Bale----Kane----Son​

 

[danielneeds]

The issue Jose has with Bale is not too different to the issue that Koeman had with Dembele at Barca. Dembele didn't do much tracking back either (Griezman was much better at doing this so was being picked more often). They also had issues defensively and made individual errors like us. They since went to a back 3 and put Dembele up top where he doesn't need to track back. This is actually a similar system that I think would suit us albeit with us having a front 3 rather than 1 behind 2.

When we play lesser teams like we have recently you can go back to 4231 with Bale and Son wide where they play mostly on the front foot. When we are likely to have less of the ball switch to a 343 formation and drop the attacking central midfielder. If you go to a back 3 the inside centre back covers across against the opposition wide attacker, while the wide midfielder tracks back against the opposition full back. The wide player on the opposite side also tracks back to defend the far post as the back 3 shift across.

Sanchez----Alderweireld----Davies
Moura----Ndombele----Hojbjerg----Reguilon
Bale----Kane----Son​

I just don’t understand why why didn’t switch to. 442 on Sunday. Move Lucas to cover Tierney and Son on the left and Bale as a free role up with Kane.

 

[ilikeost]

(Can't remember who posted it ) but You must've skipped past the post from earlier that mentioned the cool quarter of a billion pounds that's been pumped into the squad in recent times?

I don't see how this is relevant at all? Money spent doesn't mean we bought well.