Kenwyne Jones

[danielneeds]

There is no use having power up front if there is no service. He scored 7 goals 5 in the league and two in the cups. Not better than what we have already. We are better of concentrating on providing good service for the strikers we have already.

OK we will have to agree to differ, but I still think not having someone to hold the ball up is the cause of alot of our problems this season. I like Pav, and he is a great finisher, but he is struggling physically with EPL centre halves.

 

[Mullers]

OK we will have to agree to differ, but I still think not having someone to hold the ball up is the cause of alot of our problems this season. I like Pav, and he is a great finisher, but he is struggling physically with EPL centre halves.

A striker that can hold the ball up would add something to our squad but not at the expense of Pav or Bent. And preferably the striker should actually be able to score goals as well as holding the ball up.

 

[There's always next year]

A striker that can hold the ball up would add something to our squad but not at the expense of Pav or Bent. And preferably the striker should actually be able to score goals as well as holding the ball up.

Maybe we should put a cheeky £40m for Berba to return

 

[Mullers]

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Maybe we should put a cheeky £40m for Berba to return

I think there is more chance of us putting in a bid for Kaka than Berbapuss.

 

[AngerManagement]

I like Darren Bent alot but still I think it would be beneficial to our club as a whole if we made some type of deal that involved Jones coming to us and Bent going the other way.

We already have players that offer us what Bent does and it looks like his career has stalled at our club (what with Defoe and Pav being above him in the pecking order)

Jones would offer us much more in terms of power, ariel threat and hold up play...as I said before he is the type of player who could make the rest of our players look better (people like Bentley desperately need a target to aim for)

And Bent could get back to being the main man at a club like Sunderland and I am sure his scoring record with them would be excellent (plus I think he would be at a club that is happy for him to do what he does best score goals, where as at SPurs people are not satisfied with that.....he is deemed usless without having the touch and vision of Berbatov to add to his goalscoring knack)

I am actually hoping a deal comes off

 

[chrissivad]

Redknapp Admits Jones Defeat

Harry Redknapp has confirmed that Tottenham have been unsuccessful in their attempts to prise Kenwyne Jones away from Sunderland.

Spurs enquired about the availability of the Trinidad and Tobago international, and are believed to have offered a staggering £14 million for the striker.

Sunderland boss Ricky Sbragia voiced his irritation on Thursday that Spurs’ interest had been made public, and Redknapp has now confirmed that his club have met a brick wall in their pursuit of the towering target man.

"The chairman made an offer for Kenwyne Jones. They don't want to sell him, so that is the end of that one," Redknapp said.

"There is nothing more you can do. He spoke to Niall Quinn. But they decided he is not for sale, and that is their decision."

Meanwhile, young keeper David Button has joined League Two side Bournemouth on a one-month loan deal.

http://www.setanta.com//uk/Articles...-Redknapp-on-JonesPalaciosBellamy/gnid-35794/

 

[Sir Henry]

So many morons here who can't see this guy's potential. He is the closest thing to Drogba that our club will be able to get. Pace, power, good technique, he has it all. Just needs the right guidance to unleash alot of goals.

I'm not a moron and I don't get it. Potential ? Don't know if I'm speaking for anyone else, but I'm sick of the club paying £14m for potential, for £14m I want a striker scoring goals now, not later for when/if he fulfills his potential. Don't even class Jones in the same breath as Drogba thats actually quite embarassing. Drogba has done it all on every stage in world football and then some. Jones has scored a few for Southampton and Sunderland, from checking its almost 1 in every 4 games for Jones with Sunderland. If thats the closest we'll get to Drogba then its a million miles apart. I agree with the guidance part, but £14m and that was actually rejected so they would want more ? Not on your nelly, maybe £5-£10m and even then its a risk.

 

[Sir Henry]

Meant to add, he reminds me more of Adebayor but without the goals.

 

[strader]

I'm not a moron and I don't get it. Potential ? Don't know if I'm speaking for anyone else, but I'm sick of the club paying £14m for potential, for £14m I want a striker scoring goals now, not later for when/if he fulfills his potential. Don't even class Jones in the same breath as Drogba thats actually quite embarassing. Drogba has done it all on every stage in world football and then some. Jones has scored a few for Southampton and Sunderland, from checking its almost 1 in every 4 games for Jones with Sunderland. If thats the closest we'll get to Drogba then its a million miles apart. I agree with the guidance part, but £14m and that was actually rejected so they would want more ? Not on your nelly, maybe £5-£10m and even then its a risk.

Sorry to bust your bubble but 15m wont buy you a top class striker in this day and age.

Look around and compare the goal ratio to the price tag of top class EPL strikers

 

[SpurSince57]

Unless you are very lucky, £6m now gets you a striker who looks the business in the Championship but just can't hack it at the top level (Earnshaw, Camara, Nugent) or a striker who can hack it at the top level but has major fitness/attitude problems (Mido). And those were the going rates the summer before last. You could compare Earnshaw and co with Rasiak—that's a threefold increase in the price of a duff striker in two years.

It's all very well to say 'X isn't worth it'. Was Defoe, a moderately effective EPL striker, worth £15m? Prices have gone insane. That's the reality.

And 20 years ago we signed Gazza for £2m…

 

[danielneeds]

I'm not a moron and I don't get it. Potential ? Don't know if I'm speaking for anyone else, but I'm sick of the club paying £14m for potential, for £14m I want a striker scoring goals now, not later for when/if he fulfills his potential. Don't even class Jones in the same breath as Drogba thats actually quite embarassing. Drogba has done it all on every stage in world football and then some. Jones has scored a few for Southampton and Sunderland, from checking its almost 1 in every 4 games for Jones with Sunderland. If thats the closest we'll get to Drogba then its a million miles apart. I agree with the guidance part, but £14m and that was actually rejected so they would want more ? Not on your nelly, maybe £5-£10m and even then its a risk.

Maybe I was harsh calling anyone a moron for not liking a player, I just get frustrated that everyone gets excited at Adriano and Arshavin and doesn't appreciate what a powerful centre forward can offer us. It

Drogba was actually quite a late bloomer, and only started scoring goals at around 25-26 for Marseilles. And when he did start scoring his price became £25m.

The fact that Wenger has been on record as stating how difficult Jones can be to play against, and that both Redknapp and Martin O'Neill both think he can could offer something to their teams, show that maybe I am not alone in thinking he could be a very good number 9.

 

[AngerManagement]

Maybe I was harsh calling anyone a moron for not liking a player, I just get frustrated that everyone gets excited at Adriano and Arshavin and doesn't appreciate what a powerful centre forward can offer us. It

Drogba was actually quite a late bloomer, and only started scoring goals at around 25-26 for Marseilles. And when he did start scoring his price became £25m.

The fact that Wenger has been on record as stating how difficult Jones can be to play against, and that both Redknapp and Martin O'Neill both think he can could offer something to their teams, show that maybe I am not alone in thinking he could be a very good number 9.

I agree with you Daniel. BUt I think Sunderland will be very reluctant to sell to us, BEnt in exchange is the only way I could see the deal moving forward

 

[danielneeds]

I agree with you Daniel. BUt I think Sunderland will be very reluctant to sell to us, BEnt in exchange is the only way I could see the deal moving forward

Probably true. I would be not be sad to see Bent go, he will score goals wherever, but I just don't think he will ever really work here.

 

[AngerManagement]

Probably true. I would be not be sad to see Bent go, he will score goals wherever, but I just don't think he will ever really work here.

I think now that Defoe and Pav have come to the club Bent's postion has been very undermined.

His chance was when Keane and Berbatov left, he looked like taking it but for one reason or another things have not worked out.

I don't see the point of keeping all 3 of him, Defoe and Pav and seeing as Bent was the first in (considering Defoe has resigned) and Looks to be 3rd choice he is the obvious option to be moved on.

Jones clearly offers more to the team the Bent would (considering we have players who do what Bent does)

 

[Mullers]

Unless you are very lucky, £6m now gets you a striker who looks the business in the Championship but just can't hack it at the top level (Earnshaw, Camara, Nugent) or a striker who can hack it at the top level but has major fitness/attitude problems (Mido). And those were the going rates the summer before last. You could compare Earnshaw and co with Rasiak—that's a threefold increase in the price of a duff striker in two years.

It's all very well to say 'X isn't worth it'. Was Defoe, a moderately effective EPL striker, worth £15m? Prices have gone insane. That's the reality.

And 20 years ago we signed Gazza for £2m…

As long as clubs like us show willing to pay those prices then the price will always go up. Prices in these hard economic times should be going down, not up. 15 million for a guy who scored 5 goals and bares some vague resemblance to Drogba is crazy. If we pay 12 million for 29 year old Bellamy then I fully expect the value of Downing to increase to 20 -25 million.
Only English clubs will these prices I fully expect many clubs to continue looking for talent broad.

 

[bubble07]

THIS IS CRAZY!!!!!!!

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...6m-bait-Sunderland-hitman-Jones.html?ITO=1490


That would value Jones at 22m!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Dannyspur]

THIS IS CRAZY!!!!!!!

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...6m-bait-Sunderland-hitman-Jones.html?ITO=1490


That would value Jones at 22m!!!!!!!!!!!

your maths is appauling!

£6million + BENT << £22 million

 

[jurgen]

i'd say thats 14m... but as bent wouldnt get much time if jones arrived anyway that sort of deal certainly makes more sense. i hope that were it to happen though harrys favourite defoe wouldnt automatically start each and every because i think with a good midfield behind him making chances pav could score a lot.. him and a another tall lad like jones certainly would provide threats from all angles i guess

 

[mil1lion]

The best we could get for Bent would be about £10m tops. Simply because he's being sold rather than a team coming in for him, and us really wanting to keep him. So really its another £16m bid, but it means we make a loss on Bents initial fee. But that was always going to be the case when we signed him. Its a lot of money but desperate times call for desperate measure. Jones is settled in the Premier League and has now recovered from his injury. His recent goalscoring form is very good. He's probably our safest bet when it comes to a new striker. And i'm not sure Bent will turn his form around now. He needs to move on i think. The deal would make sense for all involved. Whther its true or not, is another matter.

 

[SpurSince57]

Bryan, this isn't a wish list forum. That's why I deleted your post from the ITK thread, and why I've deleted this one.