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Exactly in the mould of one Mr. Eric Dier.
KEVIN WIMMER
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Dharmabum
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I have not seen Wimmer play enough to say I know him but from reading the stats at futhead.com he seem like a rather ordinary player (yet I am fully aware that stats can be deceptive and not give the right picture of a player's true ability).
According to futhead he lacks place, aggression and to be 6'2" he's not that good in the air either. and his sense of poisitioning is very weak; and for a player who lacks pace that particular trait then would be rater essential in that case...
http://www.futhead.com/15/players/29427/kevin-wimmer/
According to futhead he lacks place, aggression and to be 6'2" he's not that good in the air either. and his sense of poisitioning is very weak; and for a player who lacks pace that particular trait then would be rater essential in that case...
http://www.futhead.com/15/players/29427/kevin-wimmer/
THFCSPURS19
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1. He's been upgraded since on CM.
2. Positioning refers to attacking positioning
3. FIFA is good for a very very basic outline of a player. Basing your overall opinion on him though FIFA stats is just stupid.
Dharmabum
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I did point out that stats can be deceptive - but can those FIFA stats (from 2015) be giving such a wrong pictrue of Wimmer? If Spurs do indeed buy I hope the FIFA stats are totally wrong though
THFCSPURS19
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Here are the new stats:
http://sofifa.com/player/149782-kevin-wimmer?hl=en-GB
And yes, they can be totally wrong.
Dharmabum
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Also in those new stats he's only scoring 29 in positioning (my guess is as a defender it refers to his defending rather than his attacking sense of positioning....)
THFCSPURS19
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No, its attacking positioning. For all players. That's why Messi has 92 positioning and Thiago Silva has 59 positioning.
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Neon_Knight_
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He has a higher rating than Kane (who's low 68 shows just how meaningless these stats are).
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JonnySpurs
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It's not patronising at all. We have Fazio, Verts and Dier all ahead of him in the pecking order and he's still very young. In his own quotes he has admitted that he still needs to develop and learn so I dont think he'll have any designs on starting next season.
I'm not saying it won't happen I was more making the point that some are freaking out at the prospect of another young CB coming in and starting for us when I really don't think that's an issue.
JonnySpurs
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True but maybe Dier showed in training and pre-season that he had what it takes to start. Wimmer may well do the same but we shouldn't be freaking out about him starting when I believe he's being purchased with long term goals in mind.
longtimespur
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I'm still hoping for Moreno to up the quality of our CBs but Wimmer is a decent shout for the future. IMHO
Spursidol
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But I would freak out if we had bought a CB who we didn't think of being able to start msatches on a regulat basis - not necessarily in the PL week in week out, that will probably be a Vertonghen/Dier duo, but willing and able to be an able deputy when called upon and play in the EL/cup games.
Reason is that we've got two able CB's in Milos Veljkovic (Serbian u21 captain who kept out a glittering Spain u21 side over 2 legs with players like Isco) and Dominic Ball (E u20) who should both be able to play a few appearances this up coming season and 17 year old Cameron Carter-Vickers already playing for US u23's who may be a year behind.
So Wimmer's got to be like Dier's standard in being able to play matches straight off - recognising that both are not quite the finished article - otherwise we would be spending money on a player who is not that much better than we have in house - and that would be a waste of money.
And Wimmer playing on a regular basis in the top German league suggests that he should be capable of at least covering the EL and domestic cups, so not sure why his inexperience is being magified so much
Blackcanary
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I think JJ's post earlier in the thread suggested that he would need to be developed and brought through, rather than an automatic starter, which is what provoked this debate.
I understand that Poch wants to focus on young talent but i'd also be rather sceptical about bringing in too many youngsters that aren't finished articles.
Spursidol
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Absolutely agree with the last sentence - we've done very well with our young talent this season (take a bow Messrs Kane, Mason, Bentaleb), and if anything its the 'experienced ones (I think we all know the names of about 6+ who fit this description) who have let us down this season, and I think most would agree its those one who the fans would generally like to see moved on. So in turn we are short of experienced players (and our TW should include buying some) - but with other youth with good potential coming through, whether Pritchard, Veljkovic or whoever.
So IMO our transfer policy needs to be around (a) Keeping the players we want to retain (b) bringing through youth and (c) Buying (in the main) experienced players to complement our youthful squad.
Of course it makres sense to buy good prospects - but no point in buying players where we have very similar coming through our own youth system.
So I guess it depends on where Wimmer sits versus the (very good) youngsters we already have coming through. I had thought he was more like an Eric Dier, yes not the finished article so needs some coaching, but actually fully capable of playing domoestic cup and EL matches. IMO we've actually found Dier to be much better developed than many thought when we first bought him, so maybe Wimmer will not be as good and may need some time to get to Dier's level at the start of the season (and that's not a problem) , but what has been worrying me is the number of posters who seem to be intiimating that he is not developed enough to start matches.
I can fully appreciate that after the success of Dier this season we might want to downplay a tad Keviin Wimmer's stage of development, but if he's not ready to start matches (as some posters seem to be intimating), then he's a bad purchase - he's not addiing to the first team squad and at the same time denying our ability to bring through the top class talent we already have in house. And to clarify, Milos Veljkovic is good enough to take up the position of 5th choice CB - not experienced enough to be 4th choice yet, but might be withon either one season or two, and Dominic Ball would be 6th choice now and again may be good enough to make it at Spurs , with a very talented Cameron Carter-Vickers will be coming to the same position in a year's time. Its the best crop of CB's we've had coming through....maybe since a certain Mr King
So coming back to our first team CB's - assuming we keep Jan Vertonghen, Eric Dier and Frederico Fazio, then we will need a 4th CB who can play some games in rotation (so it may not be that many) or if (heaven forbid) one of those thre are injured play a few more potentially. Of course it has to be said that Poch has decided its not necessary to rotate CB's as much as other positions, but injuries.......! So the question becomes if Wimmere is not experienced enough to be the 4th choice CB, then he's the 5th choice (with us buying another), and we cannot bring through our own youth.......
So I'm kind of hoping that Wimmer is being downplayed so nobody expects him to be as good (from the off) as Dier, but good enough to be the 4trh choice CB
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Wimmer - Sounds a bit like Winner but cant help but associate it with Rimmer 
ButchCassidy
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I think there are two issues at play here -
1. If Jan gets injured or needs rotation, we aren't very comfortable with the Dier-Fazio partnership. Vlad and Kaboul seem to be definitely off, and like you say, no youth team players look ready to be 4th choice yet. Wimmer has top-level experience, has looked great for Koln, and would hopefully be able to step into that void.
2. Jan hasn't renewed his contract yet and may be testing the waters for a move in a year or so. If that's the case, I think we will be hoping that with a year of experience and familiarity with our defence and tactics, Wimmer will be ready to step into the starting role, similar to Dier winning the starting job after 6 months this season.
Wimmer is young and as experienced as Dier when we purchased him, a full international AND a full year of top-level experience in a fantastic league. I think we would all agree Dier has been a pretty good purchase and could potentially be our CB for a long time. No reason to believe Wimmer isn't of a similar mould.
Spursidol
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Absolutely agree with your post - and the bit I copied is what I am hoping describes Wimmer. But some of the previous posters sem to be descibing a player much less capable than Dier when we bought him, which worried me
