Lets not forget to praise Levy

[jrio]

Could you please enlighten us as to what he has done that is so bad? By this I mean the results of what he has done rather than whether he has done what you would have done.

From a chairman I want:

My club to be in good financial shape. We are.

Have good results on the pitch. We've had 3 consecutive seasons in Europe and a piece of silverware which we haven't had since the Premiership began (3 seasons in Europe not silverware.

Signs we are doing what we can to have a good future. New stadium on the way and a great youth set-up.

I don't expect a chairman or any human being to never make mistakes, never have poor judgement at times or have the gift of hindsight. That simply isn't how life works in any walk of life.

5 managers in 7 years, including the clumsiness of sacking GG days before a key FA semi.

Wanted to ban members from Paxton Road unless they had kids.

The travesty of the membership survey that just resulted in a massive ramp up of the fees.

Appointing Comolli, on the basis that he thought Comolli had been a key part of Wenger's success, getting talent on the cheap(it was only Clichy, apparently).

Never takes any responsibility for failure, preferring to sack managers, a practice employed by chairmen since time immemoriam.

 

[DJS]

Jrio,

I cannot understand where you are coming from? I mean, even an idiot can see that we are in a better position than we were under Sugar. But for some reason, after the week we've just had, you come on here with your futile argument that no-one has agreed with. So there is a slight possibility, that you are very wrong and that you are also, very special.

:lol:

 

[fortworthspur]

I dont know how you can argue against jrio's point that Levy has only just started to undo the mess he created by sacking Jol. Even with the CC, are we really better off having let MJ go?

 

[Bing]

Levy has made his mistakes.


He hasnt been great or spectacular for us but he has been solid. He's provided a bit of stability to the club, he runs the business side of things well and I genuinely believe he does really want us to be great again (wheter or not his motives for this as are a fan or investor is another question).


I think he squandered a golden opportunity to really push us on and capitalise on our two fifth place finishes but he has made a bold decision to fire Ramos, held his hands up and gone back to a traditional non-DOF system and made a great appointment with Arry. Along with the announcement of our new stadium he deserves credit.


So from one of his harshest critics, nice one Levbob, keep up the good work:beer:

 

[ever]

probably be really controversial here but i find it hilarious how many of you lot have forgotten how badly we were doing before jol left, dont get me wrong i still love the guy but he was undermined by the board, he lost the dressing room and we weren't performing on the pitch, if things had carried on the way they were going we could have been in major trouble

still saying that i'ld still love him back

 

[jrio]

Fucking hell.

All your points are a bit rubbish. It doesn't matter that we were steam rollered. We won. Under a different manager, we may have steam rollered them and lost, as has been the case in previous years. The point is, it doesn't matter how we got the result, we fucking got it.

So we've had 5 managers in 7 years? 3 of those years we've been competing in the UEFA cup for the first time in donkey's years. How can Levy take the blame for hiring Santini and Ramos, 2 managers who were rightly regarded as some of the best around at the time. Everyone wanted Hoddle at the time too and he was the ex England manager, so not a bad choice either. And he's always made money available which has been shown in the amount we've spent over the last few years.

Levy's made mistakes, there's no doubt about that. But who cares about the 15m compensation. Is it your money? No. Will it have any effect on anything ever? No. He fucked up by leaving the Berby thing too late but he wasn't the only one at fault for that was he.

Your post was full of hatred and bile. Again lacking in any kind of constructive criticism and the other posters are 'tosspots' for not agreeing with you. Yeah right.

Don't be a complete fool. He hired the managers so he takes the blame. It matters little what anyone else thinks. That's how it works in business. You don't defend yourself by saying that you only hired them because everyone else agreed they were the best at the time. FA told him to appoint Jol. Levy wanted the kudos of a "world class manager" after the embarrassment of the previous season when he sacked Hoddle and Pleat's reign was a nightmare. So it was about Levy justifying himself and not taking heed of the professional advice of a man who'd been in charge of football at Ajax for well over 10 years.

As for the 15m, well everyone wanks off about Levy's financial acumen, and all this "best run club" toss, so I'm pointing out that spending that in a year on managerial errors highlights something else. Levy's good at finance, bad at football.

 

[bomberH]

I dont know how you can argue against jrio's point that Levy has only just started to undo the mess he created by sacking Jol. Even with the CC, are we really better off having let MJ go?

Levy tried it and failed. It works elsewhere but it didn't for us. It worked when we finished 5th twice under Jol. But overall, it was a bit of a mess. He's now realised that and stopped it all. He should certainly not sack himself because of it. We'll never know fully who was in charge of transfers and who had the final say etc, but he's learnt from that now and just let Harry get on with it.

We are better off than when we had Jol simply because of the cup. It's not much but it's silverware, something Arsenal haven't achieved for 3 years. We've got an excellent squad who are massively underperforming and hopefully that will be put right this season.

So yep, Levy's fucked up on a couple of things, but he's not a bad chairman at all. I personaly wouldn't have started a thread praising him now but i certainly won't have a go at him. He's been a decent chairman for us and long may he continue to do so (unless Mr Arab comes in with a thousand billion pounds....)

 

[ever]

uhm..... wheres this 15 million figure coming from? nothing has been agreed as yet with the exception of the reported 5million compo for arry

 

[Montasura]

5 managers in 7 years, including the clumsiness of sacking GG days before a key FA semi.

Wanted to ban members from Paxton Road unless they had kids.

The travesty of the membership survey that just resulted in a massive ramp up of the fees.

Appointing Comolli, on the basis that he thought Comolli had been a key part of Wenger's success, getting talent on the cheap(it was only Clichy, apparently).

Never takes any responsibility for failure, preferring to sack managers, a practice employed by chairmen since time immemoriam.

It was, in fact, a recent press article that quoted an Arsenal scout as saying it was on Clichey. However, it is apparent that Commolli was actually responsible for finding Kolo Toure and Eboue as well. Furthermore, Commolli was appointed from his existing position as Technical Director at AS Saint Etienne.

I would also add that Commolli was purchased to replace Frank Arneson whom I believe would have done an excellent job as DoF.

 

[bomberH]

Don't be a complete fool. He hired the managers so he takes the blame. It matters little what anyone else thinks. That's how it works in business. You don't defend yourself by saying that you only hired them because everyone else agreed they were the best at the time. FA told him to appoint Jol. Levy wanted the kudos of a "world class manager" after the embarrassment of the previous season when he sacked Hoddle and Pleat's reign was a nightmare. So it was about Levy justifying himself and not about taking heed of the professional advice of a man who'd been in charge of football at Ajax for well over 10 years.

As for the 15m, well everyone wanks off about Levy's financial acumen, and all this "best run club" toss, so I'm pointing out that spending that in a year on managerial errors highlights something else. Levy's good at finance, bad at football.

You plonker. You're slating the DoF situation as one of Levy's fuck ups, then saying he should've listened to his DoF in hiring Jol.

:lol:

 

[markiespurs]

hasent Levy already stated that Ramos compensation won't be nearly as much as the 15 million reported?

as for the rest Jrio is just full of :bs:


Cheer up and enjoy the result, ive lost count at the amount of games weve controlled and not won, so this makes a nice change, besides not being in control of a game and still winning is something that the top 4 do quite often.

Well don Levy for having the balls to make the hard decisions.

And Scrapping the DOF position is as close as these top business men come to admiting they made a mistake.

 

[nickspurs]

jrio, your comments are so flawed I don't know where to start. It's all very well to start a debate with some well reasoned points but I don't see any here. I've never used the ignore list but you make me want to check it out.

As the more intelligent people appreciate on these forums and Levy has articulated recently: financial success is driven by success on the pitch. To make a lot of money we need to be in the CL, to do that we need to run the club well and buy the best players/managers without jeopardising our survival. The chairman makes decisions to achieve that - ones that don't work require changes.

 

[ShelfSide18]

I'm not Levy's biggest fan at all but he does deserve credit yes. He's made mistakes yes, the biggest one being the sacking of Jol but people forget the good things the guy has done for us. He's kept us on a stable financial footing although I think Levy does see the pound sign before anything else sometimes.

Anyway - it's been a great week.

 

[eddiebailey]

He is enjoying some success in clearing up his own mess.

 

[jamesc0le]

jrio, you can lead the donkeys to the water but you cannot make them drink..

levy is a tool, and the funniest thing is that he says we have a great squad and will be providing limited funds in january, making a mockery of the fact he has led us to the bottom of the table.

we need 2 good strikers some defenders and some midfielders mr levy - get them or you're fu***d

 

[DFF]

jrio, you can lead the donkeys to the water but you cannot make them drink..

levy is a tool, and the funniest thing is that he says we have a great squad and will be providing limited funds in january, making a mockery of the fact he has led us to the bottom of the table.

we need 2 good strikers some defenders and some midfielders mr levy - get them or you're fu***d

No, the funniest thing is that you think you have a clue about what you're talking about. Let me guess, Levy led us to the bottom of the table, but it was Jol that lead us to two successive 5th finishes...

 

[jamesc0le]

No, the funniest thing is that you think you have a clue about what you're talking about. Let me guess, Levy led us to the bottom of the table, but it was Jol that lead us to two successive 5th finishes...

oh look, a donkey

 

[DFF]

Oh look, he doesn't have an answer. Surprise...

 

[Lachster the Yid]

Levy is the Chairman

He really doesn't affect how the team play on a game by game / week by week basis

Get over it

He has a job the run the club as a viable and successful business end of story, that is what happens when your a PLC. Therefore, every decision he makes he makes for the good of the club

Jol was the right appointment

Ramos was the right appoitment

and Redknapp seems to be the right appointment, if he goes on to lead us to the Champions League in 3 years fantastic, if it goes wrong he loses the dressing room and almost gets us relegated.... he's fired... Like all of us Levy makes what he hopes is the best appointment

Now lets stop worrying about Levy and focus on how the team and players perform

 

[ShelfSide18]

Ramos was the right appoitment

A lot of people would disagree with you on that mate!