Match Threads ManU Vs Spurs

[Dannyspur]

On top of the shitshow, we didn’t have any luck. On another day, the deflection off Davies could have gone wide and when the ball rebounded around on the edge of the area, it fell absolutely perfectly for Fernandez to volley in, again, that could have bounced anywhere else and the chance could have gone. Who knows, how that would have affected the outcome. We were awful and didn’t deserve anything, but those moments going the other way, may have allowed us to kick on in the second half as we have in other games this season.

 

[jolsnogross]

On top of the shitshow, we didn’t have any luck. On another day, the deflection off Davies could have gone wide and when the ball rebounded around on the edge of the area, it fell absolutely perfectly for Fernandez to volley in, again, that could have bounced anywhere else and the chance could have gone. Who knows, how that would have affected the outcome. We were awful and didn’t deserve anything, but those moments going the other way, may have allowed us to kick on in the second half as we have in other games this season.

That's a ridiculously narrow view on 'luck'. You create your own luck if you force situations high up the pitch. If you are raining shots in on goal, they don't all have to be worldies to go in. We created next to nothing and got nothing. We were atrocious playing out from the back. They forced the issue and got 2. The result flattered us, not luck flattering them.

 

[fishhhandaricecake]

The lack of pace in our starting 11 last night was alarming. Everything needed precision and a slow build just to get up the field. Precision and poise we didn’t have.

In general the pace in our squad isn’t great. As I said in the Conte thread, we need to at least make sure we have pace at wing back, Perisic and Doherty are too slow to be able to counter quickly. The 352 quickly becomes a 532 and we struggle to get out, especially with any purpose.

It’s a simple but actually really good point.

If we aren’t going to play a high possession short passing, close together style which we obviously aren’t under conte and if we are going to play with wing backs like we do then pace should be a must throughout the squad.

If we had say prime Rose and Walker last night instead of Perisic and Doherty, we’d have had such a better outlet to breakaway when they’d shut us into the final 3rd. ESPECIALLY when playing 3-5-2 as you don’t have the 3 up top occupying their defenders.

For this reason alone I’d be very interested to see how a line-up when all are fit of the below would perform:
Lloris

Spence
Romero
Dier
Lenglet
Sessengon

Bissouma
Bentancur

Kulu/Richarlison
Kane
Son

 

[fishhhandaricecake]

On top of the shitshow, we didn’t have any luck. On another day, the deflection off Davies could have gone wide and when the ball rebounded around on the edge of the area, it fell absolutely perfectly for Fernandez to volley in, again, that could have bounced anywhere else and the chance could have gone. Who knows, how that would have affected the outcome. We were awful and didn’t deserve anything, but those moments going the other way, may have allowed us to kick on in the second half as we have in other games this season.

Luck was irrelevant last night mate

 

[bubble07]

On top of the shitshow, we didn’t have any luck. On another day, the deflection off Davies could have gone wide and when the ball rebounded around on the edge of the area, it fell absolutely perfectly for Fernandez to volley in, again, that could have bounced anywhere else and the chance could have gone. Who knows, how that would have affected the outcome. We were awful and didn’t deserve anything, but those moments going the other way, may have allowed us to kick on in the second half as we have in other games this season.

I get the bad luck but when a team invites pressure then there is a higher probably that bad luck will happen

 

[Colonel_Klinck]

It's not Levy we should be questioning though, it's the judgements of both Conte and Paratici because they are jointly responsible for all the recruitment. Levy just provides the money.

Has Conte's recruitment been that bad? He's had 1 window, you can't fix a crap unbalanced squad in 1 window on our budget.

Don't get me wrong I think he doesn't help his self with the fans with some of his decision in the games but judging his recruitment from 1 window is harsh.

 

[djhotspur]

Exactly. Within the last 5 years we have been up there and played them off the park a lot of the time. Tonight was an absolute disgrace in how we played. As if they didn't even know eachother

Luck was irrelevant last night mate

If anything it was lucky we didn’t concede a lot more

 

[Spurslove]

Has Conte's recruitment been that bad? He's had 1 window, you can't fix a crap unbalanced squad in 1 window on our budget.

Don't get me wrong I think he doesn't help his self with the fans with some of his decision in the games but judging his recruitment from 1 window is harsh.

No no you misunderstood the tone of my post. Levy has handed the recruitment side of the club over to Paratici while he takes over the 'off the pitch' side of the business, whilst providing the finance for incoming transfers. Of course, both Fabio and Antonio are directly responsible for results to Levy, as Chairman.

Paratici and Conte work closely together to identify targets, so my point was, if any of our new boys are not proving up to scratch, they can really only look to themselves as possibly having made bad calls.

The whole point behind Levy hiring Paratici in the first place was precisely so that he could hand over the football side of the business. Blaming Levy for poor football recruiting decisions currently is a bit pointless really.

 

[Colonel_Klinck]

No no you misunderstood the tone of my post. Levy has handed the recruitment side of the club over to Paratici while he takes over the 'off the pitch' side of the business, whilst providing the finance for incoming transfers. Of course, both Fabio and Antonio are directly responsible for results to Levy, as Chairman.

Paratici and Conte work closely together to identify targets, so my point was, if any of our new boys are not proving up to scratch, they can really only look to themselves as possibly having made bad calls.

The whole point behind Levy hiring Paratici in the first place was precisely so that he could hand over the football side of the business. Blaming Levy for poor football recruiting decisions currently is a bit pointless really.

My point was Levy controls the purse strings and so can have the final say over player signings.

 

[DenverSpur]

As in, drop their levels to 'fit Tottenham'.
It's all in their heads, expectations, performance levels etc. If the same players arrive at City or Barca, do they perform better because they are expected too? It seems so.

I remember back in the 90’s, when the majority of transfers were still from the English leagues, that players who went from a lower league or lower PL club to one of the other Top 6 club raised their game as they now had the opportunity of trophies. Players who came to us on the other hand seemed to think more along the lines of; I’ve finally made the big time so that’s my pension sorted and I can kick back and relax now.
We as a club seem to drain the ambition and desire from our recruits.
As I say it’s like there is a curse in the club?.

 

[Spurslove]

My point was Levy controls the purse strings and so can have the final say over player signings.

My understanding was that Levy provides the finances and leaves all the footballing decisions to Fabio. I don't think he has any 'say' over who comes in, but you're saying he does have the final say about any incomings. A subtle difference in our viewpoints but I guess neither of us actually knows the truth.

 

[glacierSpurs]

I may be wrong but I felt yesterday was a game Richarlison would have relished in, balls to the feet spinning drawing fouls and most of putting himself about. We seemed to lack physicality up front yesterday. Yes I know they didn't get a huge amount of service but we needed some absolute shit stirrer up top winding them up.

Agree. Needs his shithousery and drawing of fouls to break up the momentum of United. They were doing that to us but we just let them played their way uninterrupted. Lamela used to do that role very well.

 

[hughy]

On top of the shitshow, we didn’t have any luck. On another day, the deflection off Davies could have gone wide and when the ball rebounded around on the edge of the area, it fell absolutely perfectly for Fernandez to volley in, again, that could have bounced anywhere else and the chance could have gone. Who knows, how that would have affected the outcome. We were awful and didn’t deserve anything, but those moments going the other way, may have allowed us to kick on in the second half as we have in other games this season.

It works both ways. If anything I'd say we were lucky in the first half as opposed to unlucky in the second half.

The only thing lucky about Wednesday was the fact that it didn't end 5-0. We could have, and absolutely should have been totally embarrassed.

 

[glacierSpurs]

Despite a couple of wonderful early crossfield passes into the path of Matt Doherty, Harry Kane's use of the ball afterwards when he got it was woeful. His 59.1% pass success rate was the lowest on the pitch by a long, long way apart from United goalkeeper David De Gea's 53.1%.

Kane has the quality to take these sort of matches by the scruff of the neck with his ability to create, use his strength and score, but as the game wore on, aside from a couple of shots, he just faded into the background.

Like Hojbjerg, Kane had three key moments of bad control in attacking situations, giving the ball to United, while Son Heung-min had two such moments.

Son had a far better passing success rate, 80.8%, and played two key passes to Kane's one, but the South Korean was also anonymous for long periods. Unusually for him he didn't make a single dribble with the ball while Kane mustered only a couple of attempts.

Source: Football.London

One of the worse performance seen from Kane, not just Son.

 

[Yantino]

I don't think Son or Kane in particular can be expected to take much of the blame for Wednesday night's performance. They had scraps to feed off of and nothing more.

 

[waresy]

Bit of light Friday watching anyone? No?

 

[Yantino]

Bit of light Friday watching anyone? No?

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[Monkey boy]

Was listening to the view from the Lane podcast earlier and this stat sent a cold shiver down my spine. In the 3 games against Chelsea, Arsenal and Man Utd we conceded 66 shots against our goal, an average of 22 per game.

 

[VoteMe4Prez]

I still can't shake what I witnessed on Wednesday night. Just a spineless, limp and pathetic game we played. Completely downed tools after the first 10 minutes. A victory on Sunday is the only cure for this

 

[cusop]

I still can't shake what I witnessed on Wednesday night. Just a spineless, limp and pathetic game we played. Completely downed tools after the first 10 minutes. A victory on Sunday is the only cure for this

I do not think it is fair to call it spinless but it was a total shitshow is more accurate, not much else to add, Sunday will be a tough day at the office