Martin Jol?

[Narnill]

Shite?

Hardly.

 

[Spurs_Bear]

He won us nothing? True he only won us the peace cup but we got so much more than winning a particular trophy

Left us near relegation? You're having a laugh, we were 5th two seasons running and on track for the same or better when he was sacked

Sadly I think it's the usual nonsense of people judging a manager on their results rather than judging them on what they did with what they had to work with. No doubt most of you thought Avram Grant was an amazing manager at Chelsea but a shit one at Portsmouth. You have to separate the manager from the players at their disposal.

Jol had a bunch of better than average players and have them playing like they could beat anyone. We were flying for the first time since the premiership started. Now we have some of the best players we've ever had and we're scraping wins. I'm sure if Jol was our manager now and Harry had been our manager during Jols reign the same people would be attributing the success to Jol

We went from an embarrassing mess to winning by 5 or 6 goals. We went from not even thinking about europe to being in Europe for the first time in 15 years. It was a truly amazing feat. If it weren't for Jol (and Comelli) we wouldn't have players like Bale or Modric or VDV now. It's such a pity because most people recognised that at the time but I suppose memories are short and people forget how unambitious we were through most of the 90's and up until Jol came. It's almost as if people think that Harry really did take us from Bottom to top 4

That is literally the biggest amount of made up bollocks that I have ever read. No surprise really.

 

[Rout-Ledge]

If people think Harry's tactics are too simple, why would you want a return to the classic Jol master plan: go one goal up with fifteen minutes to go, bring on a defender and soak up pressure until we concede a late goal.

 

[Spurs_Bear]

LOL!

Bollocks, our present manager is NOT 'massively superior"

If anything Jol is superior, our manager has a FAR better team than Jol ever did and our Manager finished 4th once and 5th once, 4th cos the Scouse were SHIT and Chelsea Manure and Arse were no way in the standard Jol had to deal with.

Redknapp is an over rated Manager.

Thats my opinion, so if you differ, differ, me no care

Sometimes you just got to hold your hands up and say......"Ok then...."

I'm still hoping this is a joke, otherwise you got issues.

 

[Yid-ol]

UOL did slit for the club and pushed us up into top 5 after how long as a mid table team? So he will be heals high with some spurs fans and to me there is no issue if our fans sing his name to show him we still love him even if he isn't our manager anymore.

All this talk if who is better is just a pile of piss, too many things change in our team and others to really compaire, both have done lot for us so why not just give our support to both instead of only bein.g able to pick one?

 

[SpurSince57]

jol was shite at both hamburg and ajax

:rofl:

 

[BringBack_leGin]

I liked Jol, I was not supportive of how it ended with him (though I certainly supported that it did end) and he definitely improved our club while he was our manager. I don't mind that we showed him some appreciation, but we might have shown him a little too much. Then again, we're talking about a group of fans who booed Ghaly so badly when Redknapp tried to bring him on that he changed his mind all on the basis of one impassioned moment two years previous.

For those who say 'Redknapp has a better squad', I question that ideology. Yes, Our current squad is better, our current team is certainly better, but so are the other sides and squads. I'm not just talking about the big boys, I'm talking about the mid level and the lower table clubs too. I genuinely think that Jol would have not done as well with our current squad as Redknapp has.

For all Jols good personality, as a manager he's not of the level we have reached. He was right for us for a while, and then he wasn't, but even when we were doing well under him there were some serious mistakes which he kept repeating. I wish him well and I hope he does well with Fulham, but we have a better manager now (one who finished 5th with West Ham, buy the way), we're playing better football and we're seriously competing with the top clubs, not to mention beating them all regularly (Utd aside).

 

[Mr Pink]

More appropriate perhaps...wrong to sing in a positive manner to Martin Jol also, no. You have a very black and white view on this.

There is feck all black and white about it...if you bothered to read my previous posts regarding Martin Jol, I really liked him and respected the foundations he created at Tottenham.

The pertinent point here is that Harry should of been at forefront of our minds as opposed to BMJ.

 

[Spurs_Bear]

There is feck all black and white about it...if you bothered to read my previous posts regarding Martin Jol, I really liked him and respected the foundations he created at Tottenham.

The pertinent point here is that Harry should of been at forefront of our minds as opposed to BMJ.

Exactly.

 

[Teemu]

If people think Harry's tactics are too simple, why would you want a return to the classic Jol master plan: go one goal up with fifteen minutes to go, bring on a defender and soak up pressure until we concede a late goal.

Arguably better than going one goal up with fifteen minutes to go and bringing on Danny Rose

 

[midoNdefoe]

I think the thing people are forgetting when they say: 'if BMJ were in charge of this squad' is that the team we have now is the one harry has assembled....there were such obvious areas that needed improving while jol was in charge, but we ended up spunking £30m+ on the 2 DBs (bent bentley).

There is no doubt our squad is better now, but no-one seems to be attributing that to the nouse of our current manager in the transfer market.

 

[JUSTINSIGNAL]

He won us nothing? True he only won us the peace cup but we got so much more than winning a particular trophy

Left us near relegation? You're having a laugh, we were 5th two seasons running and on track for the same or better when he was sacked

Sadly I think it's the usual nonsense of people judging a manager on their results rather than judging them on what they did with what they had to work with. No doubt most of you thought Avram Grant was an amazing manager at Chelsea but a shit one at Portsmouth. You have to separate the manager from the players at their disposal.

Jol had a bunch of better than average players and have them playing like they could beat anyone. We were flying for the first time since the premiership started. Now we have some of the best players we've ever had and we're scraping wins. I'm sure if Jol was our manager now and Harry had been our manager during Jols reign the same people would be attributing the success to Jol

We went from an embarrassing mess to winning by 5 or 6 goals. We went from not even thinking about europe to being in Europe for the first time in 15 years. It was a truly amazing feat. If it weren't for Jol (and Comelli) we wouldn't have players like Bale or Modric or VDV now. It's such a pity because most people recognised that at the time but I suppose memories are short and people forget how unambitious we were through most of the 90's and up until Jol came. It's almost as if people think that Harry really did take us from Bottom to top 4

:stupid:

 

[Spurs_Bear]

:stupid:

Exactly. The first thing Ramos said (probably through a translator) when he arrived was that we had to understand we were in a relegation battle.

How that equates to Jol leaving us in a position that was 'on track for the same or better' as the two seasons before is anyone's guess.....

 

[guiltyparty]

I like Jol and have a lot of fond memories of his time at Spurs, but there is a bit of the Freund's about him - the archetypal cult hero who is loved despite his failings because he professes love for the club. You find it in all walks of life, the good but not greats that ingratiate themselves to skate over their shortcomings

In turn, Harry only thinks of himself because he is driven and this rubs people up the wrong way, but you have to acknowledge he is a better manager. It's his personality that irks, not his talent. Anyone looking at Fulham wishing we could swap managers is a crazy person

As for the singing, I think a nice round of applause for the big man at the start to welcome him back then shutting the hell up and singing for Harry once the game started is how it should have gone down

 

[SpurSince57]

Exactly. The first thing Ramos said (probably through a translator) when he arrived was that we had to understand we were in a relegation battle.

How that equates to Jol leaving us in a position that was 'on track for the same or better' as the two seasons before is anyone's guess.....

From which we escaped only temporarily. Funny, that.

Of course, one underlying reason we were in one was that Jol and the squad had known that the club had been talking to Ramos since early June, something not exactly calculated to create a happy and settled camp.

I suspect camaj is basing his 'on course' on the points we'd gained (or rather, failed to gain in most cases) from the equivalent games the previous season. There was, I think, very little difference.

I would not object to a round of applause for Jol before we stuff Fulham at the Lane—but not at the expense of support for Harry and our players.

 

[EastLondonYid]

I like Jol and have a lot of fond memories of his time at Spurs, but there is a bit of the Freund's about him - the archetypal cult hero who is loved despite his failings because he professes love for the club. You find it in all walks of life, the good but not greats that ingratiate themselves to skate over their shortcomings

In turn, Harry only thinks of himself because he is driven and this rubs people up the wrong way, but you have to acknowledge he is a better manager. It's his personality that irks, not his talent. Anyone looking at Fulham wishing we could swap managers is a crazy person

As for the singing, I think a nice round of applause for the big man at the start to welcome him back then shutting the hell up and singing for Harry once the game started is how it should have gone down

Agree with all that.......Unfortunately it will be too late when Harry is gone...yesterday we should have blown the roof off with Harry songs, can't wait till we start begging him to stay, but who can blame him leaving when we show him so little love,

 

[dav3j]

The bloke was a gent and a great manager to have - he certainly began our upwards trajectory and was probably even more likeable than Arry. Having said that, I think it would be a bit of a backward step to take him back. He probably took as as far as he could, and for that I'll always be thankful.

 

[markiespurs]

No I wouldn't have him back. He's also not a great man or a Spurs legend.

Some people need to build a bridge and get the fuck over Martin Jol. Singing for him while our current manager recovers from heart surgery is fucking disgusting.

Great post and totally agree.

Jol was the right man at the right time for the club and he took us as far as he could, but his time rightly came to an end when it did.

It's time to move on and give Harry the credit and respect he deserves for what he has done so far at our club.

 

[alfiespurs]

I havre never been in the JOL camp. Yes lovely guy, loved the club ... But he used to bottle it! I still recall the Chelsea Game, we were 3-1 up and decided to take of Berbatov and replace him with Defoe. We could have won that game, but ended up a draw. Overall, I would not like to have him back, because 'Arry is FAR FAR better!.

CoYS

 

[SpurSince57]

I havre never been in the JOL camp. Yes lovely guy, loved the club ... But he used to bottle it! I still recall the Chelsea Game, we were 3-1 up and decided to take of Berbatov and replace him with Defoe. We could have won that game, but ended up a draw. Overall, I would not like to have him back, because 'Arry is FAR FAR better!.

CoYS

You're confusing Defoe and Mido, but it's an easy mistake to make, I suppose. Berbatov was suffering from the groin strain that had troubled him before that season, and it was pretty obvious that he'd slowed up during the second half.