Mentality

[danielneeds]

The young team excuse is going to wear thin one day though - and why if we're so young and inexperienced, and if it played a part in our collapse last season (as lots of people think) didn't we address that in the summer and add some more experience?

It may be that Poch only wants to work with young players but then that should be considered a fault in his philosophy if the young team line is going to be trotted out as an excuse for failure.

He can't have it both ways. Though I don't think the age and experience of the team had much effect yesterday compared to the tactical clusterfuck they were deployed with.

Yeah, I agree that it was more Poch's tactical failure rather than the team's inexperience yesterday.

Sure, we can't keep on saying they are young forever, but it is a process, and can't feel to hard done by with this team's general performance.

 

[Gaz_Gammon]

The young team excuse is going to wear thin one day though - and why if we're so young and inexperienced, and if it played a part in our collapse last season (as lots of people think) didn't we address that in the summer and add some more experience?

It may be that Poch only wants to work with young players but then that should be considered a fault in his philosophy if the young team line is going to be trotted out as an excuse for failure.

He can't have it both ways. Though I don't think the age and experience of the team had much effect yesterday compared to the tactical clusterfuck they were deployed with.

He is all over the papers today saying to all intents that given the Clubs philosophy we are punching above our weight, which is true to an extent. He also said (and this is an old one) that the company we keep have all spent millions more, again an undeniable fact.

That should not mean however that spending over sixty million on three busted flushes could not have been better spent on one World class experienced player that we so desperately need.

The youthfulness of this team is there for all to see, but he needs to state that in victory as well as defeat, recognize what we need moving forward and improve our woeful transfer policy.

 

[mpickard2087]

I didn't think yesterday was mentality, it was various technical and tactical weaknesses that reared their head once again against teams that will press and put the squeeze on us.

 

[Shadydan]

He is all over the papers today saying to all intents that given the Clubs philosophy we are punching above our weight, which is true to an extent. He also said (and this is an old one) that the company we keep have all spent millions more, again an undeniable fact.

That should not mean however that spending over sixty million on three busted flushes could not have been better spent on one World class experienced player that we so desperately need.

The youthfulness of this team is there for all to see, but he needs to state that in victory as well as defeat, recognize what we need moving forward and improve our woeful transfer policy.

Woeful transfer policy? lol slow down.

 

[fortworthspur]

the truth is we just dont have the options on the bench for the flexibility we need. we need maybe 3 more quality players to give Poch the tools he needs. I mean seriously, I like Winks but he isnt going to be the decisive factor against a determined quality team playing at home. Who is? Sissoko? GKN? You can see what happens to our system when even Rose goes down - and Davies is pretty competent replacement. Until our revenue goes up significantly this will be about as good as it gets.

 

[jonathanhotspur]

We take in more money than Borussia Dortmund. How do they manage to be so good (genuine question)? Could we learn something from them?

 

[slartibartfast]

Mentality had nothing to do with it.
Was tactics pure and simple.
Not strength, quality, aggression or any of that crap.
We simply play right into the hands of any team that presses us.
I also find it staggering that the modern player just carries out exactly what they've been told to do without being allowed or choosing to adapt to a game as it develops. Like bloody robots. That isn't a mentality thing so much either as just stupidity. These guys have been playing football since they could walk. They know and understand tactics and when something is or isn't working and yet we carry on making the same mistakes. Nuts.
Modern football has disappeared up its own arse in so many ways.

 

[danielneeds]

I didn't think yesterday was mentality, it was various technical and tactical weaknesses that reared their head once again against teams that will press and put the squeeze on us.

The best way of describing it I can think of is we are excellent being the hunter, going after teams, disrupting and dominating them, but we have a problem when the table turns and we become the hunted. All our poor performances this season have come either away or at Wembley when teams press at the back and cut off the supply to the midfield two.

Poch needs to come up with some different gameplans when we run into trouble, he can't expect us to dominate everywhere we go.

 

[tiger666]

I also find it staggering that the modern player just carries out exactly what they've been told to do without being allowed or choosing to adapt to a game as it develops. Like bloody robots. That isn't a mentality thing so much either as just stupidity.

Seriously?

 

[SUIYHA]

Mentality had nothing to do with it.
Was tactics pure and simple.
Not strength, quality, aggression or any of that crap.
We simply play right into the hands of any team that presses us.
I also find it staggering that the modern player just carries out exactly what they've been told to do without being allowed or choosing to adapt to a game as it develops. Like bloody robots. That isn't a mentality thing so much either as just stupidity. These guys have been playing football since they could walk. They know and understand tactics and when something is or isn't working and yet we carry on making the same mistakes. Nuts.
Modern football has disappeared up its own arse in so many ways.

The tactics were poor yesterday I agree. However it's not Poch that's telling Wanyama and Dier to gift the opposition goals, or Alli and Son to lose possession every time they get it.

 

[beats1]

The young team excuse is going to wear thin one day though - and why if we're so young and inexperienced, and if it played a part in our collapse last season (as lots of people think) didn't we address that in the summer and add some more experience?

It may be that Poch only wants to work with young players but then that should be considered a fault in his philosophy if the young team line is going to be trotted out as an excuse for failure.

He can't have it both ways. Though I don't think the age and experience of the team had much effect yesterday compared to the tactical clusterfuck they were deployed with.

Exactly and just look at arsenal, Wenger was apparently rebuilding with his new young team back in 2007 and then what happened, the team got old and the players never progressed and the ones that did left.

We dont want to end up like arsenal and at the start of a trophy less run

 

[Shadydan]

I really have no idea why people feel the need to compare us to Arsenal, I really don't.

 

[Frozen_Waffles]

Two young players, one of whom has hardly played this season, especially in the big matches. Although saying it's their fault alone is not fair.

After being annoyed after the match that we can still be beaten easily when a team press us is one thing, but personally I still believe a lack of a real leader holds us back.

I think both Dembele, Wanyama and Toby have been excellent this season. However I don't think any of them have the leadership to drive us forward or calm us when needed.

Inexperience is one problem, but we still need a leader on the pitch. I am surprised we haven't actively looked for a more experienced leader in both the centre back and central midfield positions.

When we are up against it we have the ability to be nervous, maybe it's time to invest in one or two experienced leaders.

Having your GK as captain is not ideal imo.

 

[sunnydelight786]

Our very own captain speaking....

#thfc Lloris to SFR: "A lot of my team have been talking about the title but...I didn't get the impression we're playing for the title."

Lloris: "Playing for the title requires a lot more commitment in every game, you can't have dips. We have to look over our shoulders too."

Pretty much confirms what a few of us have been saying, we just don't have the belief to win it. Instead of making every excuse under the sun for LCFC win last season why not look at the cold hard facts that NONE of our players believed they could win it. This season is no different!!!

 

[Shadydan]

Not this again lol

I have a good idea, why don't we make a thread questioning the fans mentality

 

[sunnydelight786]

Not this again lol

I have a good idea, why don't we make a thread questioning the fans mentality

When your clubs very own captain speaks you sit up and take notice. It's not a no nothing journo or washed up has been pundit speaking, it's our bloody captain. I'd rather listen to and respect his opinion than a no nothing armchair fan posting on SC....,

 

[Shadydan]

When your clubs very own captain speaks you sit up and take notice. It's not a no nothing journo or washed up has been pundit speaking, it's our bloody captain. I'd rather listen to and respect his opinion than a no nothing armchair fan posting on SC....,

Or maybe he was just making a comment on a match we were absolutely shit in...maybe?

Interesting that you've chosen to take what you said from his quote though.

 

[Archibald&Crooks]

Or maybe he was just making a comment on a match we were absolutely shit in...maybe?

Interesting that you've chosen to take what you said from his quote though.

I was wondering that myself........Are these recent quotes or last seasons?

 

[nicdic]

I believe they're quotes from after the Liverpool game.

 

[Archibald&Crooks]

I believe they're quotes from after the Liverpool game.

Ahhhh, it was the "NONE of our players" bit that confused me. I'm getting senile in my old age, I just can't see where that can be taken from those quotes......

Or is that just the opinion of some know nothing armchair fan posting on SC? A club of which (these days) i'm a card carrying member by the way Or is it my senility striking twice in quick succession