Mentality

[Everlasting Seconds]

True gentleman, Lloris is. Proper guy.

 

[yido_number1]

It was a quote taken after a game where we had individual mistakes and didn't play well. He isn't saying we don't think we can win the league. He's saying no one on the pitch today looked like they had enough desire.

A fair comment and hopefully in conjunction with Poch's will get the desired reaction. You're not gonna praise that performance so what else do you say as captain, "oh well on to the next one" or "sort it out".

 

[mpickard2087]

The best way of describing it I can think of is we are excellent being the hunter, going after teams, disrupting and dominating them, but we have a problem when the table turns and we become the hunted. All our poor performances this season have come either away or at Wembley when teams press at the back and cut off the supply to the midfield two.

Poch needs to come up with some different gameplans when we run into trouble, he can't expect us to dominate everywhere we go.

I think a large part of the problem is that, for all the good things they bring, there are too many players in the team (from back to front -Walker, Wanyama, Dembele, Alli, Son, Kane could all have it levelled at them) who don't really move the ball quick enough and tend to take a lot of touches on the ball. That's fine when you've got the luxury of teams sitting back against us and most of the play is around their penalty area, but under pressure penned in we cant adapt and as a side play one/two touch with close control at a decent tempo to by-pass the press. I also think some of the movement isn't good enough, when our back line have the ball they often run out of options as players aren't working hard enough to create space.

 

[double0]

Regardless the we lost to Liverpool and yes it was predictable and annoying on the positive note, as a club we're on the right tracks. Stating the obvious we must mentally get to grips with our record at the following ground Anfield Old Trafford Stamford Bridge Emirates and Newcastle, why we never get enough positive results at these grounds must surely be addressed.

 

[thfc1973]

We are a team that does not have an inner core. We have no inner mental strength. The wins and performances just papers over the cracks - the deep lying cracks. We are glass underneath and any strong willed side can and will beat us or knock us - FACT.
This will not change until we have strong leaders on the pitch and strong management behind us.

For all Poch's strengths, his biggest weakness is his mental experience. He hasn't sussed yet that we need strong character in EVERY game. He hasn't sussed yet that we need to be motivated and given an absolute do or die talk before every match. He hasn't got players in the team to do it for him and he just carries on.

Look at the article about Henderson gathering the team for a player meeting before our game. Look at what a leader like Henderson did to make it starkly clear to every player that they need to sort their shit out. He basically gave them another dressing down to remind them that this was it. And we don't have that, and until we do we'll never win any titles and will be lucky to win a trophy..

 

[tiger666]

We are a team that does not have an inner core. We have no inner mental strength. The wins and performances just papers over the cracks - the deep lying cracks. We are glass underneath and any strong willed side can and will beat us or knock us - FACT.

Love people giving their opinion then adding FACT in capitals.

 

[Gb160]

Love people giving their opinion then adding FACT in capitals.

discussions over mate...there's no coming back from that little beaut.

Edit: er...FACT

 

[chelmyid]

Love people giving their opinion then adding FACT in capitals.

Far too many people overreacting after only our third defeat of the season. This defeat came away to a team that were due a win, against us, who were technically due a defeat.
It beggars belief how some of our so called fans question the mentality etc of our management and players yet we have only our third bad result of the season and everything our us, the club, the players and managers has gone up shit Creek without a paddle. I think it's their mentality that needs to be questioned.
How about we go back to the Tottenham of the 90's, maybe that's better.......... thought not.

We're building something that may take 5 years, not a season and a half.

 

[Shadydan]

We are a team that does not have an inner core. We have no inner mental strength. The wins and performances just papers over the cracks - the deep lying cracks. We are glass underneath and any strong willed side can and will beat us or knock us - FACT.
This will not change until we have strong leaders on the pitch and strong management behind us.

For all Poch's strengths, his biggest weakness is his mental experience. He hasn't sussed yet that we need strong character in EVERY game. He hasn't sussed yet that we need to be motivated and given an absolute do or die talk before every match. He hasn't got players in the team to do it for him and he just carries on.

Look at the article about Henderson gathering the team for a player meeting before our game. Look at what a leader like Henderson did to make it starkly clear to every player that they need to sort their shit out. He basically gave them another dressing down to remind them that this was it. And we don't have that, and until we do we'll never win any titles and will be lucky to win a trophy..

Henderson was such a good leader he led them out of two cup competitions in the past 2 weeks.

 

[slartibartfast]

The tactics were poor yesterday I agree. However it's not Poch that's telling Wanyama and Dier to gift the opposition goals, or Alli and Son to lose possession every time they get it.

It is Poch telling players to pass your way out on the edge of our goal area and dont clear it on pain of death, even when we're penned in with nowhere to go.
The fk up is inevitable.
Its Poch telling Lloris to throw the ball out when its obvious to anyone with an ounce of sense that its fkin suicidal.
I agree players should take responsibility as well.
This is what I mean by players not thinking about whats going on and just carrying out instructions like a drone.
Surely to Christ if you're a player you'd think 'we keep fkin around like this we're going to concede in a minute'. But they dont. Even after 2 go in in 10min its "carry on."
'Doing what I was told so not my fault.'
Sorry but imo players have to take some responsibility as well. Yes its mostly down to Poch but surely Dier must realise fkin about when you're the last man is not a good idea? I run a u9s team, they know this.
I'll go 65% Poch 35% players lol because without Pochs suicidal gameplan (or lack of plan) those fk ups probably wouldn't have happened but players should be reactive not drones (I believe it used to be called reading the game).
Oh for a proper old fashioned Captain.

Despite all this moaning we've only lost 3 all season so fk it lol

 

[shelfboy68]

It was a quote taken after a game where we had individual mistakes and didn't play well. He isn't saying we don't think we can win the league. He's saying no one on the pitch today looked like they had enough desire.

A fair comment and hopefully in conjunction with Poch's will get the desired reaction. You're not gonna praise that performance so what else do you say as captain, "oh well on to the next one" or "sort it out".

More to the point why were they lacking desire if that is what was being implied, the defeat was on the cards from the whistle which is why I turned it off after 15 minutes the suprise was that we only lost 2-0.
Despite the result the aim had to be consolidate top four again which had to be seen as progress, the title was never on when reality sets in and we stand a good chance of top four as it stands.

 

[Woodyy]

Some really good insight from Neville and Carragher on us on MNF. Our away record against the top 6 is awful under Poch, even worse than I thought. If we could somewhat change that we'd be laughing.

They were both really complimentary of us overall, Carragher thinks our starting 11 is as good as anyones which I agree with, just not there with the squad.

 

[Hercules]

Some really good insight from Neville and Carragher on us on MNF. Our away record against the top 6 is awful under Poch, even worse than I thought. If we could somewhat change that we'd be laughing.

They were both really complimentary of us overall, Carragher thinks our starting 11 is as good as anyones which I agree with, just not there with the squad.

Agreed, just about to post that. Squad is nowhere near good enough. 3 signings is not cutting it. Too many experiments gone wrong (Janssen, N'Jie, GKN? Sissoko). Has to be put right in the summer. We need honestly 5 signings, with some cute trading in between.

 

[riggi]

Some really good insight from Neville and Carragher on us on MNF. Our away record against the top 6 is awful under Poch, even worse than I thought. If we could somewhat change that we'd be laughing.

They were both really complimentary of us overall, Carragher thinks our starting 11 is as good as anyones which I agree with, just not there with the squad.

I don't really get why. Is he not instilling the confidence in them enough? Is he himself being too reserved and doesn't want to risk a hammering away? Is the mentality issue really just an issue with poch? As horrible as it would be, it would be interesting to take all those games and analyse them back to back to see what trend creeps up.

 

[Gaz_Gammon]

We are a team that does not have an inner core. We have no inner mental strength. The wins and performances just papers over the cracks - the deep lying cracks. We are glass underneath and any strong willed side can and will beat us or knock us - FACT.
This will not change until we have strong leaders on the pitch and strong management behind us.

For all Poch's strengths, his biggest weakness is his mental experience. He hasn't sussed yet that we need strong character in EVERY game. He hasn't sussed yet that we need to be motivated and given an absolute do or die talk before every match. He hasn't got players in the team to do it for him and he just carries on.

Look at the article about Henderson gathering the team for a player meeting before our game. Look at what a leader like Henderson did to make it starkly clear to every player that they need to sort their shit out. He basically gave them another dressing down to remind them that this was it. And we don't have that, and until we do we'll never win any titles and will be lucky to win a trophy..

Henderson took this fucking long to talk to his team? All bluster bollocks.

If we'd have had their run of results this year Levy would have fired the manager by now.

We lost to the better team on the day, and a team i think has beaten us good and proper in eight of eleven meetings.

Nine wins and two draws in the proceding games would suggest that we are half decent. To lose away to Chelsea, Man Ure and Liverpool is no big deal in the grand scale of things.

Too many drama Queens in here blubbering over nowt.

Man up, sup it up and look forward to starting another unbeaten run.

 

[Archibald&Crooks]

Look at the article about Henderson gathering the team for a player meeting before our game. Look at what a leader like Henderson did to make it starkly clear to every player that they need to sort their shit out. He basically gave them another dressing down to remind them that this was it. And we don't have that, and until we do we'll never win any titles and will be lucky to win a trophy..

gold

 

[Gb160]

I don't really get why. Is he not instilling the confidence in them enough? Is he himself being too reserved and doesn't want to risk a hammering away? Is the mentality issue really just an issue with poch? As horrible as it would be, it would be interesting to take all those games and analyse them back to back to see what trend creeps up.

The trend will be the top six are all very strong at home...people seem to think we should just go there and pick up points.

 

[riggi]

The trend will be the top six are all very strong at home...people seem to think we should just go there and pick up points.

But we r totnum m8!

Its more the performance im talking about to be fair.

 

[shelfboy68]

Agreed, just about to post that. Squad is nowhere near good enough. 3 signings is not cutting it. Too many experiments gone wrong (Janssen, N'Jie, GKN? Sissoko). Has to be put right in the summer. We need honestly 5 signings, with some cute trading in between.

You have said it yourself regarding the deficiencies within the squad because those players you named are probably not going to be good enough and although young apart from Sissoko they have shown promise in other league's around Europe.
But that doesn't always translate to the EPL and it can be hit and miss sometimes but certainly the recruitment needs to be better in the summer, we will have to wait and see although I wouldn't hold out much hope with the constraints that the stadium brings.

 

[Hercules]

You have said it yourself regarding the deficiencies within the squad because those players you named are probably not going to be good enough and although young apart from Sissoko they have shown promise in other league's around Europe.
But that doesn't always translate to the EPL and it can be hit and miss sometimes but certainly the recruitment needs to be better in the summer, we will have to wait and see although I wouldn't hold out much hope with the constraints that the stadium brings.

That is my worry and share your thoughts.