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what about a spurs shirt with yid on the back????? surley the cant take that and keep it! outrageous
No 'Yid flags' for our Carling Cup tie
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Jaispurs
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Thanks Kentucky Yid got there just before I do.
Some Jewish Gooners can't understand why we are so proud to shout it out and think we bring anti-semitism onto ourselves. I throw it back to them that why do they support a team that openly sings anti semetic songs....
Can't understand why David Dein, Flashman were/are involved there and why oh why did Abramovic pump all that money into a team whose fan's idol is Hitler ?
spursandbarca
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a big labour party flag.
all northerners on dole
all northerners on dole
Older Spurs fans that I know and who have been living abroad for many years now do not like the Yid thing including me.
It was never a Jewish club in my day. It simply had some Jewish supporters same as the Filth.
Jews lived around the Library more than Tottenham.
As I grew up, there seem to be a slight anti Jewish feel, nothing serious, nothing violent, just something our parents seem to hold within in them. They kind of made fun of them on occasions (the Jewish did dress funny and had funny haircuts).
And yet we went to war (my Dad included) partly because of what the Germans had done to the Jewish.
My parents are not alive now so I cant ask them.
But certainly Tottenham was never a Jewish club per say.
There can be allegiances that bring a passionate support. Rangers fans always displayed the Union Jack and also wore orange tops sometimes. Celtic fans unfurl the Irish tricolor.
Northern Irish protestants proudly display allegiance to Glasgow Rangers and to England with flags on occasions.
The Star of David could be a rallying call for Spurs fans these days I suppose.
I have mixed feelings because of my time in England as a young Spur.
I await with interest where this goes.
It was never a Jewish club in my day. It simply had some Jewish supporters same as the Filth.
Jews lived around the Library more than Tottenham.
As I grew up, there seem to be a slight anti Jewish feel, nothing serious, nothing violent, just something our parents seem to hold within in them. They kind of made fun of them on occasions (the Jewish did dress funny and had funny haircuts).
And yet we went to war (my Dad included) partly because of what the Germans had done to the Jewish.
My parents are not alive now so I cant ask them.
But certainly Tottenham was never a Jewish club per say.
There can be allegiances that bring a passionate support. Rangers fans always displayed the Union Jack and also wore orange tops sometimes. Celtic fans unfurl the Irish tricolor.
Northern Irish protestants proudly display allegiance to Glasgow Rangers and to England with flags on occasions.
The Star of David could be a rallying call for Spurs fans these days I suppose.
I have mixed feelings because of my time in England as a young Spur.
I await with interest where this goes.
Weel 'they' certainly did something about us shouting out about Judas.
nipponyid
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Correct, It`s a Myth with are a JEWISH club!
spursandbarca
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i am half jewish so no noone take offense. yes i believe the amount of jewish support we have is exagerated as well
sidney whale
irving scholar
alan sugar
daniel levy
the last 4 chairman were/are jewish. david pleat a former manager...
besides frank saul and ronnie rosenthal have there been any jews who actually played for spurs?
sidney whale
irving scholar
alan sugar
daniel levy
the last 4 chairman were/are jewish. david pleat a former manager...
besides frank saul and ronnie rosenthal have there been any jews who actually played for spurs?
Spot on, if you highlight something it brings it to the attention of people more so than keeping quite.
That said it is their ground and if they dont want flags with yid on then there is no harm in asking as long as they dont go over the top enforcing it.
I remember being in the clock end some years back and the announcer asking if Spurs fans could stop jumping up and down on the terrace - 10 seconds later every yid was jumping for their life. red flag to a bull.
Jaispurs
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The term Yids derives from the Jewish supportership of THFC. Coming from the language Yiddish, it is a slang term for a Jew.
There is a large Jewish population near to the area Spurs play in and they have traditionally followed Tottenham although now quite a lot support Arsenal too (their chairman and some of their directors are Jewish also).
Having had this thrown at Spurs as a derogatory term, the supporters of the club adopted it as an unofficial nickname and also so that it would not have the same effect if other clubs shouted it in an anti-Semitic manner.
Therefore, Spurs fans chant "Yids" and "Yid Army !" to deflect the racist attacks of other clubs
There is a large Jewish population near to the area Spurs play in and they have traditionally followed Tottenham although now quite a lot support Arsenal too (their chairman and some of their directors are Jewish also).
Having had this thrown at Spurs as a derogatory term, the supporters of the club adopted it as an unofficial nickname and also so that it would not have the same effect if other clubs shouted it in an anti-Semitic manner.
Therefore, Spurs fans chant "Yids" and "Yid Army !" to deflect the racist attacks of other clubs
Coalhada
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Well, that's sort of the point of adopting the nickname, isn't it?
It confounds those who would use 'yid' as a slur in a way that going "actually, we're not a Jewish club at all, look" never could.
Jaispurs
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Spurs are not a Jewish club they are an English club. They do not play in Israel do they ? or the Macabi league ? Spurs just have a section of the support that is Jewish. It is other teams that branded Spurs 'Jews', 'Yids' etc and Spurs fan's adopted this term as an act of defiance.
If you don't like being associated with Jews then that is your right but Spurs, like Ajax, are and always will be a club that is associated with Jews whether you like it or not.
I suppose your signature explains more about you and your beliefs
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Champagne and vanilla poached peach, vanilla ice cream with a raspberry jus
well, alright, i admit, it's not real jus. I had to improvise, but it's jus-ish :up:
Kendall
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Good article here and a few points that I agree with
http://www.timeout.com/london/sport/features/4221/Anti-Semitism_in_football.html
As Peter Watts considers the complexities of fans using the word ’Yid‘ at Spurs games, he worries that the Carling Cup final could resemble the bad old days of the ‘80s
Where does name-calling end and anti-Semitism begin?
I’d been calling Spurs ‘the Yids’ for a couple of years before my dad told me it was racist. ‘Don’t you realise it’s an abusive term for someone who is Jewish?’ he said. I didn’t, nor had I worked it out from one of my favourite Chelsea chants: ‘He’s only a poor little Yiddo/He stands at the back of the Shelf/He goes to the bar/To buy a lager/And only buys one for himself’. Racial stereotypes were clearly not one of my strong points as a 13-year-old.
I’d like to say that I immediately stopped using the word, but I didn’t. Chelsea fans – like those at Arsenal and West Ham – had been calling Tottenham ‘Yids’ for decades. Given that Spurs devotees called themselves the ‘Yid Army’ I didn’t see how it caused any harm. I’ve since ceased, but at the Carling Cup final on February 24 cries of ’Yiddo’ will ring round Wembley – and they’re as likely to come from the Spurs end as the Chelsea one. Is anti-Semitism, the oldest hate, prospering in football or is this just a near-the-knuckle nickname for a rival football club?
Many supporters are convinced it’s the latter. David Baddiel, a Jewish Chelsea fan, wrote in 2002: ‘I told myself that it didn’t matter, that for most of these fans, “Yiddo” simply meant a Tottenham player or fan and that the negativity was about that and not about race.’ However, when Chelsea fans aimed the chant at non-Tottenham Israeli players, Baddiel ‘realised I was in denial: “Yiddo” may mean Tottenham fan but it also means Jew.’ Baddiel may be interested to know that my own eureka moment involved him. When he was spotted during a game in the mid-1990s and half the West Stand broke into a chorus of ‘Yiddo, yiddo!’, Baddiel smiled it off – but the penny finally dropped that this was racist abuse, pure and simple.
It used to be worse. In the 1980s chants about Auschwitz and hissing to imitate the release of gas were common, but I haven’t heard either in nearly 20 years of attending Chelsea-Spurs fixtures. Jeremy Vine, a Times journalist and another Jewish Chelsea fan, agrees: ‘I’m sure I would notice hissing as it would most likely come from the Matthew Harding Stand, where I sit.’ However, a lot of old faces will be on display at Wembley and the atmosphere could get ’80s ugly. Even if it doesn’t, the existing abuse is bad enough.
Vine, who briefly stopped attending games in the 1980s due to racism, says: ‘Without doubt some of those who chant “Yid” are anti-Semites at heart… but I don’t believe all are.’ The problem, Vine feels, is that ‘personal jibes are part of the language of the terraces. Anything goes. And so the boundaries of decency and offensiveness become blurred.’
What muddies the water further is that, since the 1970s, Spurs fans have proudly reclaimed what was originally coined as a term of abuse (nobody knows why, Tottenham being no more ‘Jewish’ than Arsenal or Chelsea) and now call themselves the ‘Yid Army’. Chelsea chairman Ken Bates, always torn between defending Chelsea supporters while confronting their excesses, argued that, ‘It is hard to criticise Chelsea fans for calling Tottenham supporters something that they call themselves.’
Spurs conducted a ‘full consultation exercise’ over the use of ‘Yid Army’ because of fears it led to ‘casual anti-Semitism’, but this was criticised by many of their own supporters who felt the chant united both Jewish and non-Jewish Tottenham fans against their abusers. ‘If you are Tottenham, you are a Yid,’ is the argument. Many agree there’s a distinction between chanting ‘Yiddo’ and singing about concentration camps, which is broadly true – unless you’re racist.
Simon Greenberg, Chelsea’s director of communications, disagrees and has denounced the Bates defence, leading to the curious situation where Chelsea – who now have a Jewish owner and manager – are promising to take a harder line on anti-Semitism than conflicted Tottenham. ‘We have a policy of zero tolerance,’ says Greenberg. ‘There is no justification in our eyes and we’re not going to get into a philosophical debate about it.’ The club strongly denounced the anti-Semitic hate mail they received after Avram Grant’s appointment as manager.
Fine words, though if zero tolerance is applied at Wembley next week both ends will be half-empty before kick-off. Nevertheless, Vine insists: ‘There is no comparison to be made between three decades ago and now. It’s not perfect. I stayed away from the ground once before because of the people it attracted. The difference now is that these people are an extremely small minority. I don’t like it but I accept it as a reality. And it is slowly improving.’ That said, as anybody who watches the Carling Cup final will discover, there is still a very long way to go.
http://www.timeout.com/london/sport/features/4221/Anti-Semitism_in_football.html
As Peter Watts considers the complexities of fans using the word ’Yid‘ at Spurs games, he worries that the Carling Cup final could resemble the bad old days of the ‘80s
Where does name-calling end and anti-Semitism begin?
I’d been calling Spurs ‘the Yids’ for a couple of years before my dad told me it was racist. ‘Don’t you realise it’s an abusive term for someone who is Jewish?’ he said. I didn’t, nor had I worked it out from one of my favourite Chelsea chants: ‘He’s only a poor little Yiddo/He stands at the back of the Shelf/He goes to the bar/To buy a lager/And only buys one for himself’. Racial stereotypes were clearly not one of my strong points as a 13-year-old.
I’d like to say that I immediately stopped using the word, but I didn’t. Chelsea fans – like those at Arsenal and West Ham – had been calling Tottenham ‘Yids’ for decades. Given that Spurs devotees called themselves the ‘Yid Army’ I didn’t see how it caused any harm. I’ve since ceased, but at the Carling Cup final on February 24 cries of ’Yiddo’ will ring round Wembley – and they’re as likely to come from the Spurs end as the Chelsea one. Is anti-Semitism, the oldest hate, prospering in football or is this just a near-the-knuckle nickname for a rival football club?
Many supporters are convinced it’s the latter. David Baddiel, a Jewish Chelsea fan, wrote in 2002: ‘I told myself that it didn’t matter, that for most of these fans, “Yiddo” simply meant a Tottenham player or fan and that the negativity was about that and not about race.’ However, when Chelsea fans aimed the chant at non-Tottenham Israeli players, Baddiel ‘realised I was in denial: “Yiddo” may mean Tottenham fan but it also means Jew.’ Baddiel may be interested to know that my own eureka moment involved him. When he was spotted during a game in the mid-1990s and half the West Stand broke into a chorus of ‘Yiddo, yiddo!’, Baddiel smiled it off – but the penny finally dropped that this was racist abuse, pure and simple.
It used to be worse. In the 1980s chants about Auschwitz and hissing to imitate the release of gas were common, but I haven’t heard either in nearly 20 years of attending Chelsea-Spurs fixtures. Jeremy Vine, a Times journalist and another Jewish Chelsea fan, agrees: ‘I’m sure I would notice hissing as it would most likely come from the Matthew Harding Stand, where I sit.’ However, a lot of old faces will be on display at Wembley and the atmosphere could get ’80s ugly. Even if it doesn’t, the existing abuse is bad enough.
Vine, who briefly stopped attending games in the 1980s due to racism, says: ‘Without doubt some of those who chant “Yid” are anti-Semites at heart… but I don’t believe all are.’ The problem, Vine feels, is that ‘personal jibes are part of the language of the terraces. Anything goes. And so the boundaries of decency and offensiveness become blurred.’
What muddies the water further is that, since the 1970s, Spurs fans have proudly reclaimed what was originally coined as a term of abuse (nobody knows why, Tottenham being no more ‘Jewish’ than Arsenal or Chelsea) and now call themselves the ‘Yid Army’. Chelsea chairman Ken Bates, always torn between defending Chelsea supporters while confronting their excesses, argued that, ‘It is hard to criticise Chelsea fans for calling Tottenham supporters something that they call themselves.’
Spurs conducted a ‘full consultation exercise’ over the use of ‘Yid Army’ because of fears it led to ‘casual anti-Semitism’, but this was criticised by many of their own supporters who felt the chant united both Jewish and non-Jewish Tottenham fans against their abusers. ‘If you are Tottenham, you are a Yid,’ is the argument. Many agree there’s a distinction between chanting ‘Yiddo’ and singing about concentration camps, which is broadly true – unless you’re racist.
Simon Greenberg, Chelsea’s director of communications, disagrees and has denounced the Bates defence, leading to the curious situation where Chelsea – who now have a Jewish owner and manager – are promising to take a harder line on anti-Semitism than conflicted Tottenham. ‘We have a policy of zero tolerance,’ says Greenberg. ‘There is no justification in our eyes and we’re not going to get into a philosophical debate about it.’ The club strongly denounced the anti-Semitic hate mail they received after Avram Grant’s appointment as manager.
Fine words, though if zero tolerance is applied at Wembley next week both ends will be half-empty before kick-off. Nevertheless, Vine insists: ‘There is no comparison to be made between three decades ago and now. It’s not perfect. I stayed away from the ground once before because of the people it attracted. The difference now is that these people are an extremely small minority. I don’t like it but I accept it as a reality. And it is slowly improving.’ That said, as anybody who watches the Carling Cup final will discover, there is still a very long way to go.
Kendall
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- Feb 8, 2007
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Champagne and vanilla poached peach, vanilla ice cream with a raspberry jus
well, alright, i admit, it's not real jus. I had to improvise, but it's jus-ish :up:
Hmm, that would be lovely washed down with a can of
