Our Defence

[ralvy]

Yeah, but Walker gave that goal to Liverpool which pretty much ended costing us our season. It was all downhill after that.

 

[spurs9]

Yeah, but Walker gave that goal to Liverpool which pretty much ended costing us our season. It was all downhill after that.

9 games 5 wins, 3 draws, 1 loss is hardly all downhill (we played Chelsea & Man City in that time). If anything it was the loss to Fulham, draw with Wigan that cost us and that had nothing to do with loosing to Liverpool.

 

[Imnotacticalgenius]

Walker may have been directly responsible for 3 goals last season.

Naughton has been directly responsible for 3 goals in 4 games.

So that is why walker can be a quality player over Naughton.

Unless you have facts to the contrary please stop theorycrafting.

Am i theorycrafting here? Hmm.....the problem with all 3 of Walker, Naughton and Rose is that they are weak
in focusing and concentration for the full 90mins. This can be improved with experience and with sound coaching.
Although presently Naughton is not as good as Walker ( I feel he should be back up to Walker), he has an advantage or 2 over Walker. 1. He has better positioning during defending. 2. He seems to have better footballing brain (he did some solid defence splitting passes last season). Walker has better "Engine" and Speed.

Walker as you said, may have directly responsible for 3 goals last season but he also made alot of mistake that luckily did not result in goal. Personally, i want Spurs to keep all 3 players and at least let the new head coach see them first. And if Spurs get rid of both Naughton and Rose next season, the number of "Home Grown" players will be further decimated. So you are using that bit of "facts" to justify that Walker can be a quality player over Naughton. For goodness sake, they are not 15/16 years old boys....walker going to be 24 very soon and Naughton is 25. We are all aware that Walker is presently better than Naughton......the debate here is to retain Naughton as back up to Walker, till R Fredericks shows he can consistently outperform Naughton.

 

[Actonspur_FromCOYS]

Am i theorycrafting here? Hmm.....the problem with all 3 of Walker, Naughton and Rose is that they are weak
in focusing and concentration for the full 90mins. This can be improved with experience and with sound coaching.
Although presently Naughton is not as good as Walker ( I feel he should be back up to Walker), he has an advantage or 2 over Walker. 1. He has better positioning during defending. 2. He seems to have better footballing brain (he did some solid defence splitting passes last season). Walker has better "Engine" and Speed.

Walker as you said, may have directly responsible for 3 goals last season but he also made alot of mistake that luckily did not result in goal. Personally, i want Spurs to keep all 3 players and at least let the new head coach see them first. And if Spurs get rid of both Naughton and Rose next season, the number of "Home Grown" players will be further decimated. So you are using that bit of "facts" to justify that Walker can be a quality player over Naughton. For goodness sake, they are not 15/16 years old boys....walker going to be 24 very soon and Naughton is 25. We are all aware that Walker is presently better than Naughton......the debate here is to retain Naughton as back up to Walker, till R Fredericks shows he can consistently outperform Naughton.

Can you give examples of 3 goals walker directly gave away last season?

Otherwise I'm afraid you are theorising based on your own idiosyncratic assessment which at present, is devoid of facts.

Naughton direct goals given away:

Rodrigo goal for benfica at whl

2 goals saints scored last weekend.

That's 3 goals in 4 games. Totally unacceptable.

 

[Imnotacticalgenius]

Walkers best attribute is his pace ... something also shared by Fredericks. On his debut and he looked more than capable of being a decent understudy for Walker.

Agree on the pace thingy.......but the question is R Fredericks able to produce solid performances consistently? Anyone here, who watch Millwall games often can give an insight on R Fredericks developments?

 

[Imnotacticalgenius]

Walker may have been directly responsible for 3 goals last season.

Naughton has been directly responsible for 3 goals in 4 games.

So that is why walker can be a quality player over Naughton.

Unless you have facts to the contrary please stop theorycrafting.

Can you give examples of 3 goals walker directly gave away last season?

Otherwise I'm afraid you are theorising based on your own idiosyncratic assessment which at present, is devoid of facts.

Naughton direct goals given away:

Rodrigo goal for benfica at whl

2 goals saints scored last weekend.

That's 3 goals in 4 games. Totally unacceptable.

You are a funny chap.....you were the one who said Walker may have been directly responsible for 3 goals last season and now you asking me to give you the examples?

Ahh.....classy indeed, to call me that in a debate......classy.

 

[Ironskullll]

Biggest problem with Rose, Naughton and Walker is concentration. That can be coached - dont be too quick to get rid.

Every now and again someone here comes up with a simple pithy piece of commonsense that restores my faith in this site and that's what you've just done.

 

[dynamoSpurs]

This thread should be cut and dry.

Every single one of our full backs are below premiership grade.

There's no debate here.

 

[Black]

im probably the only the person but i think naughton is our best fullback he's better than rose by a mile and offers more to the team than walker does, yeah he makes some mistakes.

A lot of the time people don't see the attacks he starts with his balls out of defence, he contributes a lot more than walker does. I was watching the Liverpool game and glen Johnson just shows how much of a headless chicken walker is, naughton needs to good run in the team because he is better than walker.

 

[CJMurray]

im probably the only the person but i think naughton is our best fullback he's better than rose by a mile and offers more to the team than walker does, yeah he makes some mistakes.

A lot of the time people don't see the attacks he starts with his balls out of defence, he contributes a lot more than walker does. I was watching the Liverpool game and glen Johnson just shows how much of a headless chicken walker is, naughton needs to good run in the team because he is better than walker.

Of course, Walker is the headless chicken...

You want to give that a run in the first team?

 

[Black]

can you get the gif where he gave away the goals to man u oh and chelsea plzz

 

[Breezer]

Of course, Walker is the headless chicken...

You want to give that a run in the first team?

Didn't something similar happen against Norwich? The ball
bounced over Dawson....

Next you will be saying Dawson out!

Hang on a minute....

 

[Actonspur_FromCOYS]

You are a funny chap.....you were the one who said Walker may have been directly responsible for 3 goals last season and now you asking me to give you the examples?

Ahh.....classy indeed, to call me that in a debate......classy.

WTF?!

I have no idea whether Walker was directly responsible for us conceding 3 goals last season. If youre going to say Walker is or can be as poor as Naughton please back that up.

Your post makes no sense relative to what my point so I can only assume you have totally misunderstood.

 

[Thailand_Yid]

WTF?!

I have no idea whether Walker was directly responsible for us conceding 3 goals last season. If youre going to say Walker is or can be as poor as Naughton please back that up.

Your post makes no sense relative to what my point so I can only assume you have totally misunderstood.

FYI

Big 2 mistakes last season I can remember from Walker.( I also think he had some problems with high line in the first couple matches ,cos us many goals too.)

Walker gave away the ball to Mata near the touch line,Last goal vs Chelsea 2-4 at WHL .




Liverpool vs Spurs goal 2-2




And this year vs Chelsea again....



And I don't want to argue about who are the best Fullbacks at spurs now.

Because they all.... 'SHIT'

Rose, Naughton, Walker, - none of these players are my favourite. ( I know they all HG and English!! this rule so amazing we can keep this shit together.)

I really like the look of Ryan Fredericks when we beat Anzhi at Home 4-1 and this is comment from the match

Ryan Fredericks (Rose, 45′): 8

The right back was fearless on his Tottenham debut, using his pace to great effect down the right flank and winning Spurs a penalty with a superb darting run into the box. The youngster looks like a mini-Kyle Walker.

Hope he can do it in our first team like Nabil did!!! :0

 

[Actonspur_FromCOYS]

FYI

Big 2 mistakes last season I can remember from Walker.( I also think he had some problems with high line in the first couple matches ,cos us many goals too.)

Walker gave away the ball to Mata near the touch line,Last goal vs Chelsea 2-4 at WHL .




Liverpool vs Spurs goal 2-2




And this year vs Chelsea again....



And I don't want to argue about who are the best Fullbacks at spurs now.

Because they all.... 'SHIT'

Rose, Naughton, Walker, - none of these players are my favourite. ( I know they all HG and English!! this rule so amazing we can keep this shit together.)

I really like the look of Ryan Fredericks when we beat Anzhi at Home 4-1 and this is comment from the match



Hope he can do it in our first team like Nabil did!!! :0

Good post and thanks for actually providing some evidence even though I can't really see what the issue was in the pool game and can't be arsed to watch the third video now. The first was shocking but I suppose all fbs make mistakes at times.

Nevertheless walker > Naughton IMO and its not even close

 

[sebcole]

Might be a thread already for this, but couldn't find.

Yes last season there was the Anfield game where 2 defensive blunders, Defoe and Walker I think lost us the game when comfortably leading and ultimately cost of CL.

But this season SINCE Sherwood has taken over, the defensive errors leading to easy opposition goals have taken a SUPERNATURAL turn for the worse.

If I recall correctly, and there will be more; 4 fuckups against Chelsea, 2 against Liverpool, 2 or 3 against City, 2 against West Brom, 1 against Sunderland. Obvious bona fide crazy errors, gifting the opposition - school boy stuff.

What the fuck are they doing in training to devolve individually skillful players into making appaling judgement on gameday??

Utter toilet trout, and it is not receding. It's not like they have met up and addressed the issue, they keep on coming - the gift that keeps on giving. What the fuck is going on??

We weren't even this blatantly foolish in the 90's.....

 

[FinnYid]

But this season SINCE Sherwood has taken over, the defensive errors leading to easy opposition goals have taken a SUPERNATURAL turn for the worse.

While there may be more of those comical errors, our goals conceded hasn't taken that big turn to worse this season since changing of the manager. Under AVB we had on PL 1,3125 goals leaked per game (and 0,9375 scored per game). Since change we have 1,5 goals leaked per game (and 1,83 goals scored per game -> now there is actually a drastic change).

 

[Macspur261]

Rose is a defensive error.
Has he ever cut out a cross ?

 

[CornerPinDreamer]

next seasons defence:

Walker - Garay - Martins Indi - Danny Blind

 

[shelfboy68]

Rose is a defensive error.
Has he ever cut out a cross ?

Jesus had more success with crosses than rose terrible defender